…we have to understand that the bulk of TSW customers are relatively young & in the majority. They have grown up with & only know modern trains. My old Dad used to go on about LNWR Claughtons & King George V loco’s which meant nothing to me, & no doubt he failed to share my enthusiasm for ‘modern’ 9F’s, Britannia’s, Jubilees etc, just as I am surprised to see youngsters enthusing about Class 66 & Pendolinos…we go with what we know & familiar !
Think they've said about adding missing services so they'll probably add trains towards Ayrshire, Inverclyde, Paisley canal, Lanark etc
By that logic, I should be more interested in modern trains. Yet my interest lays with steam mostly, and I was born 30 years after their withdrawal from mainline use. Such an untrue statement.
The trains I travelled on growing up were Southeastern 375s, Eurotunnel shuttles, SNCF AGCs and Euro Cargo Rail 66s, but I like older locomotives as much as the next man. I really don't think age has much to do with it.
Bear in mind that with the class 91 IC225 sets, there's also 3 different loco liveries to consider along with Mk4 coaches. 91110 Battle of Britain Memorial Flight (would need BBMF permission to copy) 91111 For the Fallen (would also need permission to copy) 91119 Bounds Green Intercity Depot 1977 - 2017 (rear section of loco in original swallow livery whilst the front part is in the new LNER livery). Also, more than half of the fleet of 91s have now been scrapped and there are only about 10 services per day which use 91 sets to/from Leeds and York which would be reflected in the timetable we have in-game. IMO, the class 91 needs to be used in an earlier era on another section of the ECML to make full use of the fleet, rather than only a handful of unit numbers and services. This would make it easier for licencing purposes as they'd be in the pre-privatisation era and also easier as soon the 225 sets won't be allowed to run into KX as they are not being retrofitted with in-cab signalling. This would also mean that they'd be numbered 910xx as they were originally before refit/upgrade.
Which has been simmering in the oven for a couple of years and can still, so far as I’m aware, be found in service on DB today. What we are lacking is another UK diesel/electric loco/multiple unit of a similar vintage. Completely dried up.
Good for a chuckle: The first mainline Diesel on a German (Okokok austrian) TSW route will be ....................... a british Class 47. On a railtour. Yay!
Even they make Class 171 or 172 is much better. By the way, does DTG have CAF's license? If they has, maybe they can make Class 195 and Class 197
I have 3 complaints about that reasoning. 1. "They have grown up with & only know modern trains" is not true. Old trains are still in use a lot. So even if you're a relatively young costumer you still can experience old locos in the modern day. 2. Since when is your thinking that the majority of TSW costumers would be relatively young and in the majority a proven fact? Can you show any player statistics to base your assumption on? 3. "we have to" - I neither have to understand nor agree to anyone else' opinion.
I have been getting frustrated at the steam of EMUs for the past couple of years, yes we need them (I thought the 700 was great just lacking in routes to drive it on until modders got involved). Locos we could add are a Class 50 for diesel legends and WCL. MML is crying out for a 222 and 56 or 60, more so if we get an extension to Sheffield or from St Pancras. Class 90 or 220 for ECML. So many routes which would benefit from extra stock that does include Cathcart though, its just a dull and short route and seems to be a wasted opportunity without a route extension. Unless they do a SEHS on us and extend Cathcart with another line for TSW5?
Yes the 218 still is seen all over DB land. I believe they have started up on another route in the last few months so are relevant to todays and back to the introductory era. For the UK Class 60 has to be the one given its still going strong.
The trouble with the Class 60 is whether they can get licensing for Great British Railfreight or Devon and Cornwall Railfreight, since those are the two remaining operators of 60s. A company called Land something have bought a number of former DB ones but it remains to be seen what happens with them. Of course, they could just use it for backdated routes in Railfreight, Mainline, Load Haul, Transrail (assuming they had them) or even EWS liveries.
While I don't think the majority are young, there are parents that apparently buy TSW for their kids, then go places like Reddit or the TSC discord to ask how to drive a train cause their child can't figure out how the train works. (Based in comments by someone in the TSC discord.) Though I'm not sure if this directly effects the influx of EMU units.
Up until lately it was just four, and now all have been withdrawn. Some have been bought and GBRF were allegedly considering rebuilding either theirs or some of DB's, but nothing has come of that yet. The Class 92s are also on their last legs with DB, only four are in use for Channel Tunnel freight, the rest withdrawn.
The difficult part of getting another freight loco is that all of the freight operators besides DB/EWS have denied DTG a license and won't work with them. DB Cargo only really uses the 66. Any other trains exist in such small numbers, including them to do the one service they'd probably do is pointless.
We don"t have to be present day either, 1990s to early 2000s with EWS would work too along with end of BR liveries. I think the NSE livery was great and looked good on many locos and is missing too.
What a shame both are decent locos I know the 60 had problems early on. EWS then DB prefered the 66 'Shed." Cheaper to run and maintain. Neither are end of life like the 58 and withdrawn early..
The 60s and 92s are not at the end of their lives, DB just couldn't be bothered (in the case of the 60s) to pay for their regular engine overhauls. With plenty of 66s available, they had no reason to. DB have given up with running all their electric trains other than the remaining 92s. They say it's because of electricity costs, but GBRF runs a fleet of 92s and 73s and aren't funded by the German taxpayer. Although, ironically, DB Schenker is making millions in losses and is being sold - I don't doubt that it'll be liquidated in the next few years, with the other freight companies in the UK taking over what's left.
Worth a punt with Enough is Enough the final insult (Naked Gun rip off) or Enough of Enough of Enough is Enough as I have had Enough...
"EIER" means "EGGS" in german. So what is an egg monster? But cooincidentally this fits well to eastern, where this thread has been created. Illuminati confirmed.
I just added the R for fun, exactly cos Enough Is Enough made for EIE and I knew exactly what EIER means in German my German might not be very good, but I know my share of curses / one-meaning-too-many words/phrases in that language
Don't Know but I would ring 101 ext 240 to ask and get a detective on the case. Being Met Cammell will probably get the hump and NFA it...
