Route Salzburg – Rosenheim - Feedback Thread

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  1. Dhymik

    Dhymik New Member

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    Service RE 79014 Salzburg - Rosenheim on a BR111. I am stuck in front of a red light in Prien station, waiting to depart towards Bad Endorf. On the track in front of me, all red lights and another waiting train all the way up to Bad Endorf, where a train is sitting in the station in front of a green light, not moving.

    Is there anything I can do to remove the stuck train in front of me?
     
  2. AmityBlight

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    You can klick on the stuck train in the map and select the "remove train" option. It's a workaround, but at least you can finish the service. :)
     
  3. Sharon E

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    You need to also do the remove path on the stuck train or you will get a UE error once you arrive at that station, provided you are on the same track as it is.
     
  4. tuxcatazuma

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    Sorry if this has been asked before, but what happens when driving the cab car through a neutral section. Do you still have to reset the MCB like when driving the locomotive?
     
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    Of course. You're still driving an electric locomotive through a neutral section, albeit remotely.
     
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  6. daanloman#3930

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    continuing on with my first message. this issue precedes the other way too. with the RE stopping at Freilassing track 3 crossing the outbound track again. that wait of 5 minutes is prototypical so I'm unsure where the sources came from. looking at cabviews from that time the RE stopped at track 4, the through track from salzburg to rosenheim. ingame that track is only used for through freight and EC/IC. incoming towards salzburg the RE should stop at freilassing track 2 so it doesn't have to wait for the S3 or S4 coming from bad reichenhall arriving at track 1.
     
  7. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    here is a question I posted in BR111 feedback thread but havent gotten a really definite answer to:
    I have noticed that when selecting BR111 in timetable mode in Rosenheim Salzburg, there are three versions showing, for some reason... the third has services from Salzburg, and when I tried that one, it turned out it is in reality the Dosto control cab... and first and second seem to be the same thing? dunno... is this some weirdness, a bug or what? I am kind of confused :D
     
  8. Xander1986

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    Only the first one is the correct one.... The other ones are a bug and wrong.... So use the first one and you're fine. This will fixed in upcoming updates for sure.
     
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  9. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    FINALLY an answer thats not indirect, joke or anything, but actually answers what I have asked :D *sending you an imaginary Snickers bar* :D
     
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  10. NateDogg7a

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    Yes, I also must thank you for that answer. I would hope, but definitely not expect, that included in the fix for this bug comes the ability for liveries to show up for the 111.
     
  11. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    It was mentioned somewhere that it’s indeed a fault, and only one of them is correct. Think that it also causes the formation designer and not working n wagen doors issue. No official statement though I remember. I hope the next roadmap that according to a discord screenshot will make a lot of people happy is not just a great new route or the two april fools rolling stock. But in the best option that TSW5 is gonna release soon. Kidding ofc, TSW5 should wait for 2 more years. I really really hope the preservation crew returns and/or there comes a dedicated bugfix team. Hopefully all promised tsw3 and 4 features get finished (apart from the neverending development of the editor) before TSW5 is even an idea. We’ll see in two days I suppose
     
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  12. padruig

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    Just one thing I’ve noticed, when going from Salzburg to Rosenheim there are missing speed limit boards, can’t remember where exactly but it’s closer to the Rosenheim end of the route.
     
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  13. DJsnapattack

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    Could it be they have tried to re-create this.....?

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  14. MarktThis

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    Dear devopment team,

    Can I ask you to debug your route for location Salzburg to prevent to fall off the map in Free Roam? This glitch is recorderd by me on the Xbox Series X as attached (7th of April). Very strange to see the scenery bottom-up, but fun to see flying mountains! Although getting stuck is less handy..

    Please update your limitations in the software (end of represented area); this add-on should be worth the money (or make it cheaper)! Thanks.

    Regards,
    Mark

    Source glitch on Xbox:


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    Xbox Series X:
    Train Sim World® 4: Special Edition
    - Arosalinie: Chur - Arosa
    - Horseshoe Curve: Altoona - Johnstown & South Fork
    - Bahnstrecke Salzburg - Rosenheim
     
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  15. DJsnapattack

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    That's not a bug. You re-entered the map after going past the edge of the playable map.
     
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  16. MarktThis

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    As I send to Chris, I do not agree. The bug is to have the possibility to get out of the map.

    If the gamer gets the menu option to Resume you should not touch that button in the Xbox menu?

    1) The application should prevent such possibilty when out of the area is reached by disable that button by grey out that function;
    2) Getting stuck in the game delays game play and is not much fun;
    3) If the Resume button is part of Xbox's design and framework (GDK), the application should push the scenario back (respawn) within the playable area when the button is clicked.

    But I agree with Chris, it is what it is for this add-on. Hopefully the next UAT prevents non working button(s).
     
  17. padruig

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    They are after kilometre board 45.4 in the direction towards Rosemheim missing 130 board and after 11.0 board missing 140 board.
     
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  18. fabienlimp95

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    (PS5)

    Have pulled the trigger and got myself Rosenheim - Salzburg.

    This feedback ist mostly top of my head, with quite a few runs already, including freight l, REs and IC aswell as shunting/small freight services.

    First of all i have to appreciate the mountainous scenery which sets you into the alpine feel straight away. IIRC ot was a new technique for the distanz mountains, on PS5 it looks really great.

    The textures of the ballast are quite good and varied but i dont like the "hard edge" change in color. This was done better on DRA f.e. Also, i still finde the ballast texture quite repetitive. This is an area that still needs some improvements although i feel its done better here compared to earlier releases.

    Foliage looks decent. It's not really revolutionary or outstanding. Must also say that some places look rather poor if you look closely (especially given the feedback on Fife Circle) i feel DTG did same stuff at some areas but also did a way better job of hiding it. If those low res fields are savig me performance, and aren't really that noticeable, i dont mind it being like that tbh.

    At other areas, fields have quite some different 3d textures and are noticeable different to each other. So im my opinion a decent job on foliage and natural environment.

    There are a lot of Buildings that i would call "typical bavarain" which also adds to the atmosphere. Some other building are really dated at this time, we saw them over and over again. I know a Route cant have a million different assets but maybe constantly upgrading this data bank of buildings might help a little.

    Level Crossings: pretty much all of the level crossings are broken. They are closing way to late. I dont even get how this can still happen after years of the same problems. Just leave them closed as long as there isn't a sufficient way of them working.

    Stations / stations buildings looked all very good to me. Cant judge how accurately to real life they are, but haven't seen anything that i found wrong tbh.

    Timetablewise this Route is really solid (with the needed layers of course). Theres plenty of stuff to do and there is a great variety in it. Finally a place outside of SKW where the 101 can stretch its legs.

    Haven't got anything bad to say about the 111. Everything feels authentic and especially brake behaviour with the Dostos feels awesome!

    Speaking about the Dostos : this might be my biggest critic point about this route, if this wasn't THE time to finally update them, i dont know if they ever will. They are just so outdated at this point. At least give them some adequate sounds for the time being, they sound so atrocious (speaking of sounds, did anybody noticed they updated the laaers ?) so why not the wagons that play a main role on this dlc ?

    For me, Salzburg - Rosenheim is a solid DTG release. The atmosphere is captured in awesome fashion and if the layers are available to you, the timetable gives you great options and a great variety of things to do. The 111 is a challenging, atmospheric and pleasant experience to drive.

    The Route is on the long side with over 80km track distance. Its a route with some speed changes, so even in a IC its not to boring to drive.

    Still not sure about the price of equivalent 36 Euros, but if this is in sale its definitely a good purchase.
     
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  19. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    yes, finally a lot of 101 services... and I love how 101 and 111/dostos have different patterns - lets say approach to Freilassing... 101 gets a nice speedy entry of 70 kmh, while 111/dostos have to slow down to 40-50 kmh... I sincerely hope that DTG change their mind and eventually give Taurus a timetable here :)

    maybe a minor thing I am missing here is more 628 and 4024 stuff to do here? those services are super-short, which is kind of a little shame :)
     
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  20. fabienlimp95

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    For me this Route would have excelled itself with one of the many branch lines represented in Game for sure. At least the 628s populate the route and going into Salzburg and back to Freilassing gives you at least 30min + both services together. Also you can see some nice AI traffic with those services ;)
     
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  21. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    I tried hopping into one of those as a passenger and ended up going out of the map, thus ending the free roam lol :D
     
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  22. fabienlimp95

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    Like me yesterday when boarding the wrong tram.... And wondering where i ended up (at least i disnt exit the world) :D
     
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  23. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    usually it shouldn't be that big of a deal, you just go to terminus and stay for the loop and return journey :D and in case of Vienna, more tram ride is good :D
     
  24. Spikee1975

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    Having played the route extensively, I'm coming to the conclusion that this might be the single best TSW route overall.

    There's just everything, fast express services, commuter trains, freight. The rolling hills and the fabulous BR 111 make driving an interesting and fun experience, accelerating up the hills, rolling down with electrical brakes, the scenery is just awesome, never boring, and together with Blackpool, Niddertalbahn and GOBLIN the best in the game.

    While all these named routes are exceptionally well done, for me Salzburg - Rosenheim has the highest replayability value, a perfect mix of everything, good layers and the right mileage. It's a true gem.

    Again congratulations DTG for this one. Please keep to these high quality standards you've been setting for yourself and us lately.
     
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  25. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    Dresden Riesa is also amazing, but would use an extension :)
     
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  26. Caravatt

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    I noticed that at three level crossings, in the last stretch towards Rosenheim, the barriers only close when the train has almost already passed. Have you also encountered this problem?
     
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  27. colinL

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    Yes. Its a problem for everyone. But they seemingly ignore it. I'd expect it to be fixed by now tbh, but here we are
     
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  28. daanloman#3930

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    I think noir mentioned them either in the livestream or not a day after release. just like the weird platform issues at freilassing and dispatcher problems sending trains on the wrong track blocking others. only the issue of the very loud speaker at teisendorf has been fixed. I think wrong signals has been looked into as well, but apart from that on the forums all posts of issues are being ignored or get no response because they are seemingly too busy with showing all the new content. hopefully with not as many bugs. I'd almost want a monthly "we have noticed and are working on these bugs" roadmap article. because with no response, we are at this point expecting the problems have not been read or are not being worked on.
     
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  29. Spikee1975

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    Despite the Spring Core Announcement patch notes, the floating forest near Rosenheim has NOT been removed from the map. Again DTG show how messed up and chaotic their internal processes are.

    It is still visible for players using an increased grass cull distance.

    Post Spring Core update screenshot (which I will revert due to the 111 Tap Changer issues)
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  30. OpenMinded

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    I am happy to see that this has been fixed. All 2000Hz magnets are now on the correct side of the track!
     
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  31. Spikee1975

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    Now I'm reconsidering using the updated SRM but including the old 111 files in my cam mod.

    Edit: Discarded that idea. There's many more changes in the BR 111 files than are announced in the patch notes, related to PZB, Audio and other stuff.

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  32. colinL

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    Quite disappointed that there is no mention of the level crossings near Rosenheim being fixed.
     
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  33. Spikee1975

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    Not everything is mentioned in the notes as I've found. (But stuff that is mentioned is not included ;) )
     
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  34. colinL

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    Genius. So, level crossings are fixed? xD
     
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    Because they are not. At least one of them closed while I was approaching... Didnt even look for the others, tbh:(
     
  36. Spikee1975

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    Dosto issue - train lights cannot be turned off

    I can't find a way to turn them off (they should be in daytime). The switches on both 111 and 766 do not work, and operating the panel the "Train Lights Off" button does not work. If I turn off the current coach lights using the buttons above, pushing Train Lights Off will actually turn them on again.

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    Invisible Horn switch

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  38. Sharon E

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    I really enjoy this route, but the 111 frustrates the h... out of me.
     
  39. raretrack

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    I found it really hard to stay in Hold with my Raildriver, even after calibration. So like i do for the tilting thingy on Tharandter Rampe, I get out my Xbox controller for the 111.
     
  40. Sharon E

    Sharon E Well-Known Member

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    racetrack, I also have a Rail Driver, but have been using my keyboard for acceleration and deceleration. Even with that its hard to get it to work right for me.
     
  41. Subway#2400

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    I always use the keyboard and I find it is good as it is (before the recent, and since reverted, update). One push on the keyboard at a time to increase or decrease one notch at a time. The handling on PC is fine to me. When increasing I noticed the tap-changer generally won't go to the next notch before the tractive effort has dropped below 35 kN.

    This 111 is quite enjoyable and pretty well reproduced, good job.
     
  42. NateDogg7a

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    Wonder if anyone else has run into the problem with the BR 101 services not closing their doors? I have caught up to several, including having to stop at Traunstein while driving DGE 42859 for a 101 that had the signal but wouldn't close its doors. Since I was stopped right next to it, I used external camera to close the doors myself, and then the 101 left. This may also have something to do with save game. Playing on Series S.

    Addendum: I caught up to the 101 service again at Freilassing , it was EC 391, and I had to close its doors again. Of course I could probably just remove the train altogether, but it would be better if these 101 services were closing their doors to begin with.
     
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  43. solicitr

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    Red light bug
    RE 79023 Rosenheim Salzburg.
    There is a train sitting at your destined platform in Salzburg Hbf, behind a red; you get a perma-red on the bridge and can never arrive. Irrecoverable.

    An hour of my life wasted.
     
  44. BRD

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    It isn't exactly invisible, it is there, but behind the driving console / panel. What is weird is that you're able to operate it with the mouse, considering it is hidden.

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  45. colinL

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    Any word on the level crossings near Rosenheim getting looked at? They always close right before the train comes. Its an issue that -was- on Linke Rheinstrecke too. So its not like it must be impossible to fix.
     
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    On this route, at least, substitution appears to be working:

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    I also passed a 363 in one of my LD liveries.
     
  47. hiromaru

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    Playing environment: Steam - Annoying bug - The barrier at the railway crossing is slow to come down Next, I have a question for everyone. - Can you tell me how to operate the 766 cab car when passing through an electric section on a westbound trip from Salzburg? Every time I go, I'm delayed by a loss of power.
     
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  48. Xander1986

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    There is an border neutral section direct before Freilassing if you coming from Salzburg. You see a blue triangel with a sort "U" sign right before you need to open circuit braker and after the last sign you need to close the circuit braker to get OHE power again
     
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  49. mrmaster#3790

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    Yes, but keep in mind that the loco is in the back, so you need to close the MCB after the back of your train aka the loco has passed the neutral section
     
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  50. Xander1986

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    I can not understand that people have no clue about such things. I have seen on YT enough videos from Ambassadors as well and they did things that i was shocked that they have get an EA for YT... I think you can only reach the people with the best knowledged people and not only the amount of followers. If you try to keep the product, TSW on a decent respected quality you need people they know the basics. Its not a game with pink and yellow figures that run around and get fun together. This is a simulation and its expect a little basics or you try to learn that. I try if i dind't know the Safety Systems to learn it until i have the basics. So claiming for example by the LIRR 2.0 that its not fair they required the safety systems is lazy and so difficult is it totally not!
     
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