I don't know how many lines are ATO or partly ATO now... I think the Bakerloo Line is one of the last few remaining 'manually driven' lines.
Jubilee would be my fist choice, then District but maybe not all of it, the Ealing & Richmond branches first then maybe the small offshoot to Kensington Olympia
I think the District is least likely to be honest, it is a long line with complex service patterns. Though I did vote for it. It wouldn't feel right without the whole line and I'd definitely want the Eastern section as I grew up close to Upney Station and would love to drive from Upminster through the capital and out to Richmond, Wimbledon & Ealing Common, less bothered about Olympia as it's a short shuttle service.
Voted for Piccadilly although second choice would be Northern line. Main reason I chose Piccadilly is because I think it would be fun to explore the closed Aldwych station
Only the Met north of Finchley Road, the far west end branches of the District, the Bakerloo and Piccadilly lines are not ATO now. I would like both the Met and Northern lines built for TSW. Mike.
For me personally I just don't see the point of simulating any line that is fully ATO as you'd just be sitting in the cab opening and shutting thr doors... Having partial ATO operation on something like the Metropolitan Line might be interesting to have as you'll have the best of both worlds whilst also getting a fair run on the lines up to Amersham and Watford. Even better, have the Metropolitan Line set in 2010, with A60/A62 Stock...
My choice would be the Metropolitan Line as this is in TSC and is absolutely amazing. It was done by Just Trains and is so accurately detailed. Piccadilly would be my second choice providing it was the full route which runs to Heathrow and Uxbridge in the west.
Met / District Line are the only valid answers. Met gives us the part of the Jubilee and Chiltern Mainline. Top tier if its based when the A stocks were being phased out in favour of the S stocks
Well, plenty of players seem to love driving those emu's which basically drive themselves as long as you keep your hand on the joystick. It's not much of a leap to fully automatic trains.
What EMUs practically drive themselves? Maybe I've missed out on something, but can't remember any units which drive themselves... The point of a simulation is to feel immersive with the game, to drive a train? I'm sure there are cab rides on YouTube that'd give those type of people a similar thrill... *EDIT* with the exception of AI driven trains, but not conventional operational/functional ATO whilst driving in a scenario.
I went for Metropolitan but only because it’s the least Underground-like of the Underground routes. Most of it is above ground, it has longer gaps between stops than most other underground routes and even has some variety in stopping patterns. Also it’s not ATO so you actually have to drive it, which feels to me like a bit of a prerequisite for a train driver simulator. I’d prefer the old A-stock to the modern stock. The A-stock is a lot more characterful and also has (oddly) a higher maximum speed. However, overall I think I’d prefer something which isn’t an Underground line. I find them rather repetitive to drive, with very little variety possible. The Metropolitan would be the least bad from that perspective, but that’s about the best I can say. I suppose it could be argued that if all DTG are going to provide otherwise is modern EMUs then they may as well do an underground line.
Imo the next Underground Line for TSW should be the Piccadilly Line, it's probably the most iconic tube line seeing as it brings people from the UK's busiest airport to the centre of London's capital. It offers multiple branches (Heathrow & Uxbridge) with a varied service pattern and a good mix of underground and surface level running. In terms of rolling stock it's all fully manual including the new trains, the route if set during the upcoming changeover period from 1973 Stock to 2024 Stock would offer plenty of variation, particularly if it includes sub-surface S7 and S8 Stock AI on the parts of the line shared with the District and Met Lines hopefully when that comes.
Fully Manual - Bakerloo Piccadilly Waterloo & City Line East London Line (converted to London Overground in 2008) Semi-automatic (ATO with manual sections) - District (Manually driven West and South of Earl's Court) Metropolitan (Manually driven North of Finchley Road) ATO driven manually on certain days of the week - Circle Central Northern Jubilee Hammersmith & City Line Standard ATO operation - Victoria
I don't know enough about London to answer the poll but one thing that I would definitely want is a line that goes under and above ground like Bakerloo. I love the underground parts of Bakerloo but not sure if I'd like a route that was entirely like that.
You'd like the Piccadilly Line then, it's above ground for longer than the Bakerloo Line is and has multiple branches, also offers 'fast' and 'slow' stopping and non-stopping services.
if it is a route that is completely underground then please no if it is a few miles underground and rest above then i do not mind
That’s interesting. I know it has the Hammersmith to Acton Town section, where stops are picked up by the District line, but I thought all Piccadilly line trains were non-stop on that section (apart from the odd one which picks up Turnham Green, I think). I wasn’t aware of ‘fast’ and ‘slow’ Piccadilly line services?
Waterloo and City line is something Rivet can do at full price, during BR era, with the Class 487 and another one, current time with the 92 Stock If I have to choose it’ll be with the District Line. I want a subway line with long sub surface parts.
Yep, during certain hours of the day and on the night tube services Pic trains will call at the stations along the Hammersmith to Acton Town section including Turnham Green, sometimes even using the District Line tracks. This is the most obvious at Acton Town where often times a District Line train will depart and a Piccadilly Line train will pull in right behind it.
Personally, I'd prefer to see a North of the Thames, London AC mainline long before I see another Underground Line. But I did the poll because I was curious to see which would be most popular. It's interesting seeing other people's opinions.
Piccadilly line trains cant use the District line tracks between Acton Town and Hammersmith anymore since the crossover between Hammersmith and Barons Court was removed. Mike.
It’s provoked some interesting discussion, even for someone like me who isn’t particularly interested in another underground line. They’d take a fraction of the time and cost to make compared to something like Euston - Milton Keynes or St Pancras - Bedford, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see another underground line at some point.
The revenue v cost of the first route will be the answer. The cost of development v projected revenue has to stack up and generate decent projected sales for a go ahead. Personally another Overground route would be a preference and if I had to choose Metropolitan.
Personally another Underground line is the last thing on my list of content I'd like to see (yes that puts it behind 3rd rail Electrostars) but out of all of them I would choose the Met as there is a chance to get to line speed before needing to stop again. To be honest I probably wouldn't buy it anyway!
If I had to pick one, the Metropolitan Line as part of that is the world's first underground railway. Doing that modern day would bring S8 and S7 stock, the latter could then layer on to the Suffragette Line at Barking (and would be available for later District Line and Hammersmith & City/Circle Line routes). Then I'd pick the Central Line as I used to live in Epping and am very familiar with Leyton.
I chose the Northern Line due to multiple routing possibilities, significant open air sections and no real need to build any adjacent National Rail sections. However my caveat is set back in the 70’s or early 80’s with 1938 and 1959 stock, maybe the 1972 trains starting to appear.
Before I collapse with yet another nasty virus, I'll just throw into the mix that a TSW signalling dev (me) has researched and published (plus has LOTS more information) the complete signalling diagrams for the Northern Heights, and also has the signalling scale plans for the Bakerloo extension to Camberwell.
Now let’s not forget that if we do get another Underground line that happens to driven Automatically we mostly likely won’t be forced to use ATO unless we want to. This safety system situation with LIRR is more than likely a one off situation so it doesn’t really matter if most of the LU is automatic, this won’t be an issue.
The Met would be a good choice which seems obvious, it would be awesome to have football themed scenarios with the Wembley arch lit up at night and crowd chants.
Waterloo and City Purely because it'd just be a fun gimic'y route with just the back and forth, 4 car, 2 stations and sidings.
In an ideal world JT does the Met Line to the standard they set in the TSC version, and DTG does the Piccadilly Line allowing S7/S8 Stock to layer onto the Pic and vice versa with the 1973 Stock on the Met, with options for A Stock and 2024 Stock DLC, I think that would definitely be a banger
To be honest, I would like to see the Metropolitan Line, it has several branchs, semi-fast and fast service, which can provide a wider variety of services rather than only stopper from A to B，if it's set in current time (2024), we can expect the S8 stock , as well as the ATO and CBTC. But I think that set in the transition period (2010-2012) with both S8 Stock and A Stock are in service would be much better, so we can have two train instead of only one. ( but that is unlikely since most of routes after TSW3 has only one new train) The S8 Stock The A60/62 Stock
The Met Line is knocking the others out of the park. I agree that one with A and S stock would be superb. Two completely different driving experiences.
Not surprised seeing as how well made the TSC version was, the Met or any tube line would be absolutely great in TSW. On another note DTG Matt has just mentioned in the LIRR preview stream that they've got licensed planes coming to the game in the near future, so that could mean we'll see a route featuring a major airport in future...
I wonder whether licensed planes could be for Gatwick, maybe a BML update is on the way to optimize performance and add-in the 700. It will have to be a major airport that's clearly visible from the railway. That's Heathrow out. Luton? Luton & Gatwick? You know what that would mean.
Yeah he did mention Airbus specifically and a redone BML would be absolutely great, though as much as I'd like that there's a lot on these forums to 'shoot down' the idea. We'll see though. In terms of Heathrow Airport the Piccadilly Line trains run under the approach flight path from Hounslow East, though both that and the Heathrow Express/Elizabeth Line have no visual of the runway from their respective routes. You may actually be right about Luton seeing as we have a portion of the MML in game, I can't think of any other airports but I'm sure there's plenty that it could be so others more clued up can put in ideas of what a future route including an airport might be.
Either the Met or the Circle line would be my preference, as they are reasonably sized and are 'cut and cover' lines as opposed to the deep level lines like Bakerloo which would give it some more distinction. Possibly the H&C now that we have Barking in-game, although it would be better as part of a larger District/Circle line route with multiple service patterns instead of another A to B run only.
