Enough Is Enough!!!

TSC is a great sim, even on my wheezy old laptop, every time I play it I, like someone said above, can't fathom out why TSW isn't just TSC with the ability to get up and walk around.

 

It's a dumping ground, yes. But the dumping ground was made to keep the topic alive. If this thread would have been an endless fight between both parties about whether or not purchasing TSW4 makes sense, at some point the interest on both sides had been gone and this thread would have been become inactive at page 40 already.

In it's current shape, it's a monument to keep people remember that there still is a disagreement amongst the player base, updating the franchise every year now, leaving upgrades to the core behind a paywall, paying for content you don't want, and even if you would be okay with the recharge aspect - the annoying reinstalling process of all your content and profile transfer, and last but not least charging for an updating product although many bugs stay the same.

 

I agree TSW is very rigid right down to service paths…

 

Revenue. Unlike TSC, DTG has total control over any content produced for TSW, and it was easily ported to console thanks to UE4.

 

I looked into the "crystal ball of the future" and saw that there will be no TSW5 after TSW4. Dovetailgames is discontinuing production due to the unfeasibility of promised features and is developing a completely new train simulator from scratch. Whether the release of the new simulator, which will include a game engine upgrade (perhaps UE5 or other), will be released this year in September or in 2025, I could not see.

Already purchased DLC's are not compatible with the new train simulator and remain with the respective TSW part that you have purchased until then.

Please note, this article is pure speculation.

 

Not to mention without a reliable save that allows you to resume a subsequent run without losing the train objective data, defeats much of the point of having the timetable, which was to keep a persistent and emergent experience going, accumulating delays or doing a complete driver shift over several sessions. And I’m sure I’ve read, even where people have glued themselves to the monitor and kept playing for 3 or 4 hours, eventually the signalling AI has just locked up anyway resulting in trains at a standstill.

The only element QD in TSC lacks is more flexibility to input station calls and routings and maybe have the drive assessed as a career run.

 

Lay off the pipe bro.

 

That is indeed a nightmare which I can see to be not so unlikely as well. However, what would mean that for third parties projects? Their projects either would be wiped off or would need to be adapted to this new simulator, which dependent upon a possible game engine change wouldn't even be possible I guess. Just from this point of view, it would make 0 sense to do that. But who knows. Anything is possible.

 

Conversely, the longer they leave it the harder it would be to pull the plug, unless they can somehow convert the existing content to a format that would work in a new game engine.

 

Has support/updates for TSW3 now ended? I assume it has, since there is no mention in the Roadmaps now.

 

this is the most recent update/patch that has been posted, I have not seen any other statements in reference to TSW3 be it support or updates. It would seem this is it.
Game Update - Train Sim World 3 Update Notes - March 12th | Dovetail Games Forums
And this one scenario is just one that really needs a bit of much-needed TLC [TSW3] Q249 Autorack Baltimore - Connellsville it was a pain getting this loco combination C40 8W YN2 x2 to be able to complete it and with snow, even two Dash 8s were not getting up the mountain.

 

Well, I've finally gotten around to watching a certain (unnamed) youtube stream so see if you can guess which one it was:
*note* actual names have been changed to protect their identities.

Mildred: So, George, what can you tell us about new route number one

George: Well, erm, it's, erm an interesting........

Mildred: [interrupting] So I can confirm that George finds it interesting and I'm pleased to say that you can preorder it now on [insert platform] at [insert local currency]..anything else you want to add, George?

George: Erm, yes, it has, erm, mountains and stuff and, erm twisty and straight bits as well....

Mildred: [interrupting] so just to add, George says it has twisty and straight bits with mountains and I think I can confirm that it's available to preorder now on [insert platform] at [insert local currency]. Anything else you'd like to add, George?

George: Yes, it's erm, a fun route full of fun and interesting things....

Mildred: [interrupting] so there you have it, a fun route full of fun and interesting things which I think I'm right in saying is available for preorder now on [insert platform] at [insert local currency]. Anyhows, we've only got 3 hours to fit in me repeating the same stuff over and over so quickly moving onto route 2. What can you tell us about this one, George?

George: Yes, we're, erm, particularly, erm, excited about this one.....

Mildred: [interrupting] Well there you have it, a particularly exciting route that I believe will be available to preorder soon on [insert platform] at [insert currency]. What more can you tell us, George?

George: Well, this one was, erm, built from the ground up and, erm, has interesting tracks and stuff.....

Mildred: [interrupting] so, am I right in saying that this was built from the ground up with interesting tracks and stuff? If so then all the more reason to preorder it soon on [insert platform] at [insert local currency]. Any final thoughts, George, before moving onto the 10 minute q&a that we've managed so shoe-horn in at the end of a very long stream?

George: Erm, only to say that it's,erm, fun and erm more fun.

Mildred: So there you have it. Two fun, exciting, interesting addons full of twisty straight stuff that's funner than fun and I believe are both available to preorder on [insert platform] at [insert local currency]. Right, onto the questions:

Stares at the monitor looking to cherry pick the easy to answer, non-controversial suff:
Mildred: Ah, we have a great question from 'TSWsuper-mega-fan'. "Do the trains have horns?". Yes they do. George may attempt (but fail miserably) to interrupt me but I think I'm correct in saying that one goes 'meep-meep' and the other 'honk-honk' and both are available within two great, twisty, bendy, interesting and more fun routes which are available to preorder now or soon on [insert platform] at insert local currency]. Unfortunately, that's all we have time for, so all that's left to say is that anyone wanting to preorder either of the up-and-coming fun, exciting and more fun routes should visit our forums for full details on how to do so. Thanks for watching.

Well, if nothing else it was better than watching an Aerosoft product preview stream

 

pinxtonpaws Hilarious! And spot on!!!

 

You and @SD40Australia give off the same kind of energy so I’m sure you’re the same person. An alternate account (which is against the forum rules) to agree with yourself on your main account. Yet lack the ability to take criticism, argue with anyone who disagrees with you, and sling insults at those who say something you don’t like. And all of this from someone who claims to be a “professional train driver.” More like a 12 year old that’s a professional train driver on a simulator at home.

 

They are not the same person. One was a parody of the other. Please don't accuse someone who has deleted his account (your tag failed), and has another older sleeping one, of something they cannot respond to.

 

Ok.. anyway

Also didn’t know he deleted his account. Not shedding any tears, though. A lot of drama on this forum was a direct result of his postings so no loss there.

 

That made my day!

 

Simply NOT true. I have had enough of people comparing me to that often quarrelsome and argumentative " Australia" chap who is no longer with us.

Is it because my user name is vaguely similar to his?

Perhaps I should change my handle to something like "George", "Mildred" or most appropriate of all "TSWsuper-mega-fan"

 

I'm sure Spikee1940 is available.

 

Nah. Love a good parody but not much of a parodist myself.

 

Whatever you say. You do you bud. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s not a chicken…

 

I see this thread has gained two children via some kind of mitosis? what kind of monster have you people created

 

Next announced dlc is the "Enough is Enough" thread as e-book dlc.

Or the i pad dlc , where you can access this forum via virtual ipad while traveling as passenger on a service in TSW

 

with a bonus scenario for KWG, where you have to travel the whole length at 40 kmh because the rails are damaged on many places but ppl still want to travel

 

Coming soon: "Enough Is Enough - TSW5 Edition"

 

This thread on the ebula screen in every German loco Sorry, I had to ;-P

 

Wow, I was running the F7A into Victorville and after reloading from a Save later, the bell was going on the rear loco (I had never touched the bell); the throttle didn't work, the brakes were locked, and it came to a standstill 14 miles out from Victorville. The "I'm Stuck" button did work* - but maybe this stuff will get sorted in TSW5 ?

*edit: The I'm Stuck button apparently returned power to the loco, but throttle is still out of commission - coasting UPwards 0.5% !

 

Don't load from a save. Save game issues have been going on for a long time. Some issues were fixed but there are still loco specific issues like with the f7 where your engines shut down when loading from a save

 

Man all I’ll say is that as much as I have my faults with TSW it’s a much more bang for buck version of some of the exuberant fluff on TSC….

 

Aaand good morning everyone

 

For more than a week no posts. Do people have enough of this thread? Was wondering because of the enough is enough of enough is enough threads .

 

There's likely nothing new to add for now, probably awaiting the roadmap next week. I for example have been only playing on WSR since I the last time I posted in this thread (and since the upgrade to TSW4), and my last posts were related to WSR and steam locos.

 

kinda hope it's dying
this thread is just
bad
ngl

 

I was hyping for page 100 but seems hope is fading...

 

To be honest, for me, the ire towards the series of threads is more because the first two were understandable, but after the EMU one, it just turned into people throwing their toys out of the pram because what they wanted to happen, wasn't happening (and the subscription one was people jumping a starter's gun that hadn't even been loaded yet). I know a good amount of people that have ceased taking such threads seriously simply due to it becoming overused and unfunny. The hate towards EMUs annoys me particularly cos the last few EMU's we've had have honestly been among my favourites added to the game (the M9, overhauled M7, the 710, the Allegra etc), and it kinda makes me feel a bit bad for liking every type of traction.

 

Nobody hates EMUs or certainly many of us don't. What is frustrating is that it's pretty much the DTG staple now. That is the issue.

 

Come on, we need to get this to 100, then next TSW, we will get this thread to 200, then so on. COME ON

 

It definitely didn't warrant an enough is enough thread. Given the prior two were for, respectively, a sequel no-one asked for with a pretty compelling route locked behind it (BPO) and one of the third parties pushing their luck for too long, I don't think the nature of recent depicted traction warranted one, particularly given that by that logic, the gulf in DMUs between the BR Class 101 and the BR 612 with Tharandter Rampe would have got one too.

 

I agree with you, the pricing isn't the best but the recent add-ons are getting better and better.

 

I can tell you right there were absolutely people complaining about the lack of diesels. It's just that you didn't have a centralize thread where people could file those complains. Plus there's only so many threads where could be talked about without it dragging the conversation off topic, and thus result in the thread closing. Kind of hard to chat about the lack of diesels when most of the threads are on electrics, and the few times a thread would open get shuttered by mods within four pages anyways due to arguments.

Frankly if this thread got made pre-Focus I think it 100% would've gotten canned after the first time it needed mod action like the rest. But it seems to me the mods have became slightly more lax for one reason or another since the buyout in regards to fully shutting down threads.

 

I mean DTG are improving every release not much to complain about. I certainly don't mind the ‘one handle emu’ epidemic

 

Not much to be done about one handle trains if modern routes are being modelled. It's the new standard. Some more early diesel era routes might be good in the fullness of time.

 

Definitely up for more diesels, and I’m so looking forward to the BR218, what a beast. Not against modern stuff but where are the modern UK diesels? 56, 57, 59, 60, 67, 68, 69, 70 all absent from the game. Every new UK route we get yet another EWS 66.

 

I think some (if not most) of that is due to general apathy towards DTG's products. Check the reviews numbers for TSW4 routes:



A definite downward trend. As a reminder, in TSW3 days, good routes would easily break 100 reviews, and even bad ones would get 80-90. Today, these numbers have been cut severely. And before you think "recent ones get less because people are still buying," no. The numbers basically stop moving after a few days, at most a week.

It is generally accepted that a review means about 25 copies bought, a number which falls to about 16 for simulators. So DTG may be seiing as little as few hundreds of copies of some DLCs on Steam. No wonder people have stopped expressing dissatisfaction with products. They have simply stopped buying. The constant "hit-or-miss" nature of releases has finally caused most people to simply check out of the franchise altogether.

 

So, will we be getting routes with ATO, too?

 

It certainly helped to stop me posting critical reviews.Bought nothing between Glossop and LIRR, had nothing to find fault with.

 

Review numbers cannot be a straight comparison though as every time TSW gets its annual metamorphosis into a new paid version, reviews for existing DLC get nuked off Steam.

 

I'm not saying that people shouldn't be allowed to have a thread to talk about it, because that would just be flat out unfair. It's more that the idea that it was felt worthy to give it the hyperbolic ENOUGH IS ENOUGH moniker, if we're stooping to newspaper headline levels of branding major issues. And it didn't help that a good chunk of the words I was seeing used to describe them was 'one handled plastic toys'.