Question About The Fis

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  1. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    I have a question about the passenger information system

    I have often noticed that tsw4 that trains can display stations that are not A or B that are not on their regular schedule, as seen in the picture below. Payerbach Reichenau (Lok DB BR143)

    But so far only the German locomotives have noticed this. Is just like the DB BR. 146.2 can describe the places that we don't have in this game Like places somewhere in the Czech Republic/ I mean, it's really interesting that there is something like that but also often it's extremely unrealistic and illogical/ As an example of how the DB BR425 can describe Berlin Charlottenburg, although this train never drove in Berlin and will never drive/so yes DTG why?

    Berlin/dresden/kassel On this route yes 442 but the rest like Usedom and Sylt there they can't drive/and I personally don't know from my head now exactly whether there is a route from Hamburg to Sylt or to the Czech Republic
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  2. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    it's set up in the routes timetable. any train with a working PIS (seemingly not many nowadays since all are auto or just don't do anything) can for example say (Verona nord) because one of the EC's in the AI goes there so it exists as a station. the destinations are not based on the rolling stock but the route you are on. Haven't tried semmering yet but I bet it gives different options. both give for example budapest keleti since the railjet drives there. In real life it is a computer with a database so as I have seen before. you can set a dutch sprinter train that is supposed to never leave the country, just chilling in a yard for the night with destination "Passau Hbf". it's not entirely weird that you can set unusual locations for a train. (yes I cropped the love out of the pic so the friend who took it doesn't get in trouble)
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  3. mkraehe#6051

    mkraehe#6051 Well-Known Member

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    Kind of. Which destinations are available for you to choose when making the timetable is determined by the route's Station Directory file. What stations are included in the Station Directory highly depends on who at DTG made the file and how they were feeling that day.
     
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  4. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    true that. older routes are mainly just the stations on the route. Salzburg - Rosenheim for example has a lot as I found out testing the Desiro classic. I haven't tested or used many as on 90% of trains it is already set up correctly and changing ends is a thing of the past. for 2% of the trains you do actually have to set it and the remaining 8% is just broken and stays blank or forgets it setting after 2 minutes.
     
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    vuurkip#5765 Well-Known Member

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    Aren't they talking about the trains that have player set destinations like the 425 and 422? Those arent taking station directory
     
  6. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    I haven't driven those a lot. I do recall that on Wüppertal - Hagen you can set the S bahn trains to their full journey like S8 Düsseldorf for example. I would expect everything to run through the core route's station directory system. but it wouldn't suprise me if older routes had a different system that hasn't been updated yet.
     
  7. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    And yes, what I often see is that it does not affect every train only a few, e.g. DB BR146. From Dresden and Kassel Würzburg DB BR 425 from Bremen and the DB 423 from Cologne so yes I really don't know how DTG managed it but the DB BR423 For example, Berlin can describe Spandau
     
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that makes sense, but also not quite because the DB BR425 (as an example) has no route where you go to Berlin and also is Berlin Charlottenburg, no end station for regional train trains
    And yes, it makes sense for the 146.2 series since it runs alone to Dresden, but for the rest of the trains, it makes less sense
     
  9. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Well, the 422 can display stations so the 425 (from beremen) but otherwise not all can
     
  10. AtherianKing

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    they never quite managed to stick to one system, they are positives and flaws of each, however both have shown flaws and it’s still common for pis issues on routes.

    some trains I’m guessing/pretty sure take information from the route if they can, that would include all it’s off world destinations from every train, it’s probably not easy to make distinctions on that which class of trains go where in real life
     
  11. dnv3

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    So I'll say so I can't say exactly where which train goes. But still, some things are quite illogical. I am currently working on a video video that I recorded in tsw Im Hamburger Hauptbahnhof. You can see that a little better.
     
  12. AtherianKing

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    usually the service you selected will tell you where the train goes by the option you picked or if you hold back button on Xbox (should be similar on PS, not sure on pc button) the mini timetable with all destinations appears (it’s also in the pause menu) which has the services name on it if you don’t know which you selected, other times you have to remember when you found out the answer because it doesn’t have its off world destination listed like the 425 on Hauptstreke Rhein Rhur or the 150 on West Cornwall (though I don’t think the 150 has off world destinations anyways so the PIS is often wrong)
     
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    Yes, I am aware of that, but what I want to say is that the trains can show routes where the A do not go. B which is not even in the distance is nearby or C which is completely unrealistic. Foreign cities where these trains can't go
     
  14. AtherianKing

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    As I’ve said above they are programmed for all places the route knows when taking info from the route regardless of train.

    if a station is on that list, that’s most likely cause there is a service somewhere what goes there (not necessarily that train), unless it’s an error of which I don’t know of any specific.

    distance doesn’t mean anything only service counts.
     
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    There is - and long has been - a direct train from Hamburg (and beyond) to Czech Republic. While 146 cannot physically drive in Czechia, there is no reason why it shouldn't pull such train across Germany and show that destination on panels, before it is exchanged on the border.
     
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  16. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Ja, das ist aber noch realistisch. Im In contrast to the other signage such as Usedom or other diesel routes/clear, with the 218 it makes sense, but currently it just doesn't make sense at all/or just a direct connection to Glückstadt(Yes, this city really exists. I know, only that it is in Saxony but otherwise there are hardly any direct connections or the like/
     
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    Yes, I have already understood that, but as an example I now also like to take Usedom here again. There is no direct connection from Hamburg there. as well as to Berlin, Charlottenburg or Glückstadt
     
  18. AtherianKing

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    Many trains are all over the game and there destination displays will come from wherever they go elsewhere, just because it’s on the display options on a particular route, there’s nothing to read into that, that destination isn’t used there and is for when the train is on another route.
     
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    Yes, I know that too. But only there is the problem. Personally, I don't personally know any route in tsw Now that has a route to Berlin Charlottenburg as an example.. And that's what I mean all the time. There are destinations where no train goes in tsw
     
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    Well, there are trains to Berlin Charlottenburg from Hamburg and from Dessau, so AI trains in those stations would be displaying it
     
  21. mkraehe#6051

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    I completely fail to see what the problem is here? Like, if you don't want your train to display a destination that it wouldn't display in real life, you can simply not make it do that?
     
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  22. grob-e

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    That's not completely correct, actually, after the opening of the then new Hauptbahnhof until the end of the FIFA World Cup in 2006, BR 423 and BR 425 ran between Berlin-Südkreuz and Berlin-Charlottenburg as S21...and later on, in around 2012, there have been some on the Magdeburg-Berlin-Express.

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  23. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Ok holy yes good no mistake. But thanks for the clarification. /But you can also see from the picture that the S-Bahn doesn't quite fit Berlin
     
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    I don't consider this a mistake, but I ask this question, that's a difference.
     
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    I noticed something like that, but as an example the desiro classic at Hamburg Hbf can display every station of the S3 to pinneberg.
    But still there is no S Hamburg or another train heading to this station in TSW.
    So how does this work? Some DTG developer has been feeling motivated to do more than asked for?

    edit: I have read the route makes the destinations. So Dtg just put those stations in because the S3 exists irl even if there is no AI train for it?
     
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    This can be A a spoiler B About motivation xD But it's always nice to see how to make more effort than necessary at DTG.
     
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    Yes, it doesn't really feels like the right train for stopping every 250m to 500m and half or even more of the time of one run is stopping at stations.
     
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    Yes, that's true, but also a train in Berlin with an overhead line, well, I don't feel that way
     
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    Just gonna leave this here, hilarious to me :)
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    S12 to Waterloo xD
     
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    DB said it was interested in London services... Maybe the 423 is the only train the French will allow in the Tunnel.
     
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    xD
     
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    With a short glance at my avatar, well, me not either, but all in all, it wasn't a bad experience back then, after 40 years of cold war directly beginning in front of your house...
     
  34. Spikee1975

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    Iconic Weinhaus Huth and M-Bahn...
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    Also the F-Bahn in the foreground......
     
  36. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, having such a change is good. And yes, with your profile, the DB BR 484/83 (sorry, don't look through both trains.
     

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