Train Sim World 4 Db Br 101 Vs Obb 1116

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  1. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    For some reason I have thought that BR101 is somehow weaker than the mighty Taurus, but it appears, according to Wikipedia numbers/data, that I was mistaken

    BR101 has power output listed at 6400 kW, with 300 kN of tractive effort (not sure why the dials in the cab show stuff around 50-60 kN mark, maybe it is showing what each of the tractive motors does?)... aaaand Taurus has... the same :D

    That could explain why at times BR101 felt slightly faster than 1116? Dunno :) Have you guys tested both locos in timetable or elsewhere, and how do they compare in your opinion?

    I remember driving a ton with either BR 182 and sometimes with BR 182 MRCE, and not sure if it was cos of difference in model (1116 has obviously a lot of stuff reworked, including physics), or my perception was different and skewed, but for some reason I thought both of those were kinda faster to accelerate?

    Have you noticed other differences or oddities in the new Taurus, like how it does behave when crusing at relatively flat track etc? :)

    Looking forward to see your experience with it so far :)
     
  2. Lamplight

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    Indeed. Most German locos give a “per traction motor” readout.
     
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    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    what are your impressions of 1116 so far? I think I love it so far, even though my paranoid/OCD brain is clouding my judgment atm
     
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    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    will try Wurzburg - Fulda back and forth runs today with BR101, BR182 RT and MRCE and then 1116, and will compare results :) might share em here
     
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    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    I don’t have any since I haven’t bought the route. I’m not all that interested in Austrian routes so Semmeringbahn isn’t really on my radar (at least for full price).
     
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    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    thx for additional info tidbits anyway... the info about the traction motor readouts wasn't known to me :D and here I was thinking that 50kN of force can accelerate an IC train so fast :D
     
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    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    ok, so I tested :) I first spawned BR101 + 11 IC coaches... when testing EuroSprinters, I would substitute it by decoupling/coupling and other necessary steps to connect locos to this... I wanted the same amount of coaches, and I wanted a number that would give the locos' power a run for its money... starting point would be Wurzburg pl.7B and terminus Fulda pl.7

    BR 101, held its own quite nicely, acceleration and braking great, struggled a bit at gradients over 1.0, but still held on ok, holding 200 kmh consistently :) only like a minute or so worse time than EuroSprinters, due to its lower maximum speed

    now the big question, which EuroSprinter had the best results? lets dive into it a bit

    BR 182 DB aka the OG EuroSprinter... still works quite well, acceleration and braking kinda similar to BR 101, with small differences... obviously, this one can go up to 230, though rarely does so, usually oscillates between 200 and 220 kmh... occasionally the traction motor display bugs out and doesnt display stuff as it should, but the dial is ok and the loco works well... I would say out of the three it is the LEAST convenient to use for highspeed service, tho elsewhere it works just fine, so you dont have to burn all your liveries for it :D

    BR 182 MRCE... doesnt have that display that shows individual motors, but the dial works... doesnt do those occasional misbehavings as the DB one... accelerates and brakes slightly better and also slightly better holds the speed, often getting to the 220-230 mark... very simple, convenient... does get bumped down to 220 less often than the DB variant for some reason, no idea why

    OBB 1116 aka the mighty Taurus... has slightly more complicated setup than the previous two (dunno how about you, but I also made sure the doors setup is DB and the current/power is set to DB as well etc), but still nice and convenient... at first it looks like it struggles just as 101 or other EuroSprinters, but where others barely keep the speed, till certain point it manages to scrounge its way up... uses up any opportunity it can to increase speed and quite smoothly gets up to 230 kmh... which once it gets there, it holds nicely, up steeper gradients sometimes drops to 215-220 kmh... blows others by around 30 seconds or more :)

    So the clear winner here is the new shiny 1116... while others still hold up quite well, they clearly arent AS suited to highspeed with steeper gradients and longer consists as 1116, which has good grounds on becoming RailJet loco one day :)))

    Spent like 4hrs or so setting stuff up and driving :D ... and with DB occasionally restarting the run cos I wasnt sure if I am going crazy or the displays / traction bugged :D

    Might do some more varied testing on Koln Aachen and Munchen Augsburg, which are more varied in PZB sections and have gentler gradients :) Cheers
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting find and speaking of the 1116 on Köln-Aachen and München-Augsburg their use are Nightjets. HMA Nightjet IC Railjet. Here's the mentioned 1116 on SKA
     
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    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    I have just recently realized it even says on the dial "kN/FM" aka tractive effort per FAHRMOTOR :D
     
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    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    recently the favor turned more towards Vectrons, especially with 2nd gen Rail/NightJets, those also have Vectron cabs and some also include Vectron 230 :)
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Do you mean the 1293 Vectron? If yes DTG should make ÖBB 1293 pack with both Railjet and Nightjet. I've been saying for DTG to make the 1293 since 2021
     
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    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    Vectron Rail/NightJets have started popping up only like last year or two, 2nd gen Rail/NightJet is a thing starting this year, once Vectron 230 got certified
     

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