I don’t particularly desiro this as a loco dlc but might pick it up eventually on a big discount. Blue trains are now becoming nearly as common as red trains. It’s an ugly looking thing imo. Like all units with the connecting door stuck on the front almost as an afterthought.
I think what they mean is the rest of UK is probably hotter in the summer, particularly the South. For example London in the summer is a concrete jungle radiating heat! Back on the subject of the Class 380, I'm looking forward to it, and was pleasently surprised when the other improvements that will go alongside to bring Cathcart Circle upto a modern standard were announced.
Good thing to update cathcart, as the 380 will definetly be a day 1 after the update news. A suggestion to DTG: Sell the paisely canal line with the 380, or finish the line for the tod and timetable update to get a bit fresh air in the route to advertise the 380. This line is 7.5 miles from glasgow central and runs along the arc where the shields depot is. So 6 - 6.5 miles to create.
Lmao. Alr. Idk. Port Glasgow has been pretty hot when I've been there before. Ayrshire is roasting tho. Troon and Kilmarnock are boiling in the summer.
"Boiling" is a matter of perspective. As an American southerner, I would probably find it pleasantly balmy.
True . XD Trust me though. I've had friends from America come over here from Boston and they struggle with it just cause of the humidity *But aye. I get what your saying tho. (*But yea.)
Yeah I'd take the dry heat in Arizona and Nevada with AC, over the Humid heat with no AC we get during our summers lately lol. 38C felt more comfortable in Arizona, than 30C did where I live in the UK.
Not to turn this into a discussion about weather, but Scotland is mildly warm at best, usually only hitting the low 20s. In London and the South of England we get into the mid to late 30s in heatwaves (and the all time record from 2022 was 40°C.) Does the 380 have automatic cab air conditioning like the 377s in BML?
I think so. There is definitely an audiable air con in the passenger saloon. Probably one in the cab too.
Has it been mentioned anywhere that the Class 380 will substitute into Edinburgh to Glasgow as well, or at least selectable in the timetable to drive?
No mention of possible substitution in the article, but it would be Rivet’s job to make use of the 380 anyway
I asked about layering into E-G & Fife Circle but wasn’t answered. Hopefully more details to come soon as wouldn’t think release would be all that far off. Even if it’s not available on the timetable, a couple scenarios wouldn’t go amiss. Failing that it should be layered in as ai at Waverley/Haymarket & QS imo. No point in having a good portion of the fleet and it not being utilised. But guess as those two routes fall under Rivet, it’s very much down to them….
Not in queen street unless it had a separate timetable where the class 380 services outnumbered the class 385 services to resemble 2017 timetable when the class 385's were first launched and had a fair few issues so class 380's stepped in. In a modern day timetable yes you would see a class 380 doing peak time services from Edinburgh to Glasgow Central as well as services to Dunbar and North Berwick. But the class 380 mainly operates out of Glasgow central and the surrounding areas. Minimal use of the desiro at queen street and Waverly irl.
Have seen them quite a few times at Queen Street, never actually noticed what service, assuming subbing in on Cumbernauld or Falkirk Grahamston services.
For Fife Circle I could see Skyhook's 158 timetable using the 380; as they seem geared up for a similar release window and the 158 will run on GCC. Possibly the same for Edinburgh - Glasgow. I don't see Rivet doing it.
in the last preview or may update stream. Is the 380 model correct? There was something I have been wondering and its the white sticker that saids 3 on the cab. Does that actually mean the amount of carriage that is on the set? If so, then why is there a 4 car with the same "3" sticker on the front, shouldn't it say 4?
There are also '1' and '2' stickers on some units. I've never seen a '3' in real life, so I always assumed it designated 'Cab 1' / 'Cab 2', alas, not. But no, it doesn't show the number of cars.
It's to do with the coach that has disabled access for platform staff so they know where to put the ramp
I know I’m late but I’ve realised a suggestion of which the 158 could be subbing in for runs to Kilmarnock/East Kilbride and possible shotts before it was leckyfied?
The 158 really only has those options. If the 385 is present, then I doubt it will be the Shotts Line. If it's not, then yes. The Glasgow SW services will be 158s, though.
I wonder if the 158 on those services is a placeholder for a potential route with a 156? Might sound completely wild but I think it could be a possibility
I highly doubt we'll see any further ScotRail add-ons for a good while yet, tbh. At least, not anything that doesn't tie in to what we have. An Ayrshire/Inverclyde Line for the 380/314/385, or something up north for the 158/170 - maybe. I doubt they'll bother with anything new, though. Not for now.
I would have loved this as a bundle or paid upgrade to the route. TOD4 and Paisley Canal? Take my money!
If the new timetable with the 380 is set in 2014 like the route is, then the 158 will most likely be running services on the Whifflet line and services to Motherwell via Bellshill. The Whifflet line was electrified in December 2014 and saw 156s and 158s running along before the 320s and 318s came along. Even without 158s subbing on the East Kilbride line, Central station will still look much better than what we have right now.
Can't think what else that two car unit or the unit made of 2, 2 cars than a 158. So I'm guessing it's being made with the Scotrail 158 in mind.
Finish the line as part for the free tod4 upgrade isnt gonna happen as i know dtg. But as part of the 380..., it would probably get more people back to cathcart.
I have no doubt it's a 158, but they never ran on the East Kilbride and Kilmarnock lines, only 156s covered them. So it wouldn't be prototypical to have 158s on those lines. I just wish we would have gotten the Barbie Livery and pre refurbished interior from 2014 to be honest. Shame DTG's licensing deal with First is no longer a thing.
I would LOVE an extension but I get the feeling they would've announced that by now?? I get the feeling that if Cathcart is ever getting an extension it would be alongside the upcoming upgrades.
Hyping Paisley Canal has to be one of the things I least expected, ever. It has to be one of the most dull, 'nothing' routes you'll ever see. The Cathcart Network is complete, and the only thing it was lacking, to make it a fun experience you could repeat over, and over, and over - is coming now. Paisley Canal is not worth it for what it'll cost DTG. Maybe alongside one of the routes through Paisley Gilmour Street - not here, and not as a payware extension to a finished route. No thanks.
Yup 158s never ran on those lines in reality but in game it's doable as the 158 is the closest we have to a 156 so seeing 158 doing a service to East Kilbride for example wouldn't really bother me that much though can understand why other would not like this as it isn't accurate
There are many scotRail dlcs rather close together now, so in my personal opinion paisely canal would be worth as a nice addition to the 380 and new timetable in form of a suitable scope to the loco dlc. I had to laugh, because you and me were discussing Paisely canal 2 years ago when it was suggested as separate dlc. (which you are right wouldnt make any sense indeed with the old timetable or as separat route extension.) But in my opinion the situation of the current scotrail Release schedule + Cathcart update makes it a new thing to consider. There are other lines around glasgow which were probably more interesting, but at least paisely has a small part finished with the section to the shields depot..
If we were to get some additional track miles in Scotland, I'd rather it was for something more substantial like a bustling commuter line to Ayr or a scenic highland route.
I've always been skeptical of the PCL for Cathcart. It doesn't fit, it's just adding track for track's sake. It's not exactly fun - and I say that as I consider trying to build it in TSC - and would only be worthwhile with Inverclyde/Ayrshire - especially because you can see the general area of that route from the Paisley Canal Line - so it may as well be there. I'm not against it in general - an extra thing to do is an extra thing to do, and would offer a short, back-and-forth, suburban shift like Glossop. I just don't, and never have, seen much benefit in it coming to GCC, for all of the effort it takes.
Update from Matt in the TOD4 thread: "There won't be any new stations or extra track mileage no, it's mostly about tod4 and overall improvements to lighting. There are some scenery improvements that Liam is picking up along the way but that's the extent of it. Matt." More than fair, Cathcart isn't crying out for more track and the improvements that are coming are going to make me even more content to keep travelling the existing circle. That is, if I even manage to pull myself away from watching all the new coming and goings at Central!
Yeah got to agree, it’s a self contained route with a bit of variation in services. New train, busy Glasgow central & would assume approach, plus upgrade of lighting etc. pretty much completes it nicely.
I am going to share this video below of the sound set I am working on for the Class 380 SIBAS 32 and gearbox using the Class 387: ...And this is how I wish the Class 380 to become sounding. If you play on PC, you can actually download this mod by the link in the description and leave feedback on the mod page.
I loaded up Cathcart Circle the other day (as I hadn’t actually driven a service on the route for a couple of years) and did one service. The next time I loaded up the game (later the same day) Cathcart Circle was missing from my route selection screen. I think I must have scared it away. An odd bug to encounter but all was back the next time I loaded the game, again the same day, so all was well in the end. I’m not sure a new loco would entice me back to the route but I will certainly be looking at the route improvements when the update is done. Maybe the look of the route was one factor in my lack of interest in it, plus the short distance between stations and the very quiet AWS ‘clear’ sound of the 314 which always bugged me. I seem to remember it sounded fine on live streams (on PC) but was much quieter on my Playstation. Maybe the 380 will be a better experience.
