Route Southeastern Dartford - Charing X / Cannon Street Via Bexleyheath/sidcup/woolwich & Greenwich

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  1. Eee

    Eee Well-Known Member

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    INTRODUCTION
    Today I'll be suggesting the North Kent , Bexleyheath and Sidcup line operated by Southeastern [ owned by DfT OLR Holdings Limited] this route would be 43 miles long [70 km] with 35 stations in total.


    THE ROUTE

    -The route would have 43 miles in total
    -The route would have 35 stations in total
    -The route runs using 750 volts DC

    STATIONS

    (North Kent line)


    -Dartford
    -Slade Green
    -Erith
    -Belvedere
    -Abbey Wood
    -Plumstead
    -Woolwich Arsenal (for Woolwich)
    -Woolwich Dockyard
    -Charlton
    -Westcombe Park
    -Maze Hill
    -Greenwich
    -Deptford
    -London Bridge
    -London Cannon Street
    -Waterloo East
    -London Charing Cross


    (Bexleyheath Line)


    -Dartford
    -Barnehurst
    -Bexleyheath
    -Welling
    -Falconwood
    -Eltham
    -Kidbrooke
    -Blackheath
    -Lewisham
    -St Johns
    -New Cross
    -London Bridge
    -London Cannon Street
    -Waterloo East
    -London Charing Cross

    (Sidcup Line)

    -Dartford
    -Crayford
    -Bexley
    -Albany Park
    -Sidcup
    -New Eltham
    -Mottingham
    -Lee
    -Hither Green
    -Lewisham
    -St Johns
    -New Cross
    -London Bridge
    -London Cannon Street
    -Waterloo East
    -London Charing Cross



    ROLLING STOCK


    465/0,465/1,465/2,465/9 & 466
    465001_to_Bromley_North.jpg

    The class 465 manufactured by British Engineering Limited, ABB Transportation and Metro - Cammell at York Carriage Works and Washwood Heath as part of the Networker family from 1991 - 1994 (the 466 was built from 1993 - 1994 and 31 two cars are in service) 121 of these four car units were built with 50 464/0s, 47 465/1s, 24 465/2s (16 stored) and 10 scrapped 465/9s this train has a maximum operating speed of 70 mph (121 km/h) the safety systems used are TPWS/AWS.


    DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE VARIENTS

    - 465/0 & 456/1 have Hitachi motors and were manufactured at York carriage works these units also have a slightly different appearance from the /2s and /9s and have a maximum capacity of 334 seats


    -465/2 & 465/9 have Metro Cammell/Alstom traction moters and were manufactured at Washwood Heath these units have the appearance we are familiar with

    465/2 capacity: 331 seats
    465/9 capacity: 319 seats
    466/0 capacity: 168 seats


    376/0
    376033_in_South_East_London.JPG

    The class 376 manufactured by Bombardier Transportation at Derby Litchurch Lane Works as part of the Electrostar family from 2004 - 2005 35 of these five car units were built with a maximum operating speed of 75 mph [121 km/h] the safety systems used are TPWS/AWS.

    DLC

    707/0
    707009_&_010_Hither_Green_160921.jpg
    The class 707 manufactured by Siemens Mobility from 2015 - 2018 30 five car units were built with the maximum speed of 100 mph (161 km/h) and the safety systems used are TPWS/AWS and ETCS.

    LAYERS

    -375/9 Cannon Street/ Charing X - London Bridge
    -700/0 (on the Woolwich line to London Bridge)


    SERVICES

    (southeastern)

    Dartford - Charing Cross via Sidcup and Lewisham duration: 35- 40 minutes

    (Dartford) Gravesend - Charing Cross via Sidcup duration: 37 - 40 minutes

    (Lewisham) Victoria - Dartford via Bexleyheath duration: 20 - 35 minutes

    Dartford - Charing Cross via Bexleyheath duration: 40 - 45 minutes

    Dartford - Cannon Street Via Woolwich & Greenwich duration: 45-50 minutes

    Charing Cross - Sevenoaks (London Bridge) duration: 7 minutes

    Charing Cross - Hastings (London Bridge) duration: 7 minutes

    Charing Cross - Hayes (London Bridge) duration: 7 minutes

    Charing Cross - Ashford International (London Bridge) duration: 7 minutes



    Charing Cross - Tunbridge Wells (London Bridge) duration: 7 minutes


    Cannon Street Loop duration: 56 - 1 hour & 20 minutes

    (Thameslink)

    Rainham (Dartford) - Luton (London Bridge) duration: 40 - 44 minutes

    Luton (London Bridge) - Rainham (Dartford) duration: 40 - 44 minutes

    DEPOTS

    -Slade Green
    Slade-Green-depot-fleet-variety.jpg


    CONCLUSION
    Thanks for reading my suggestion I hope you enjoyed reading it

     
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  2. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    We already have the 465 (albeit only the /9 variant but I'd say it's easy enough to convert it to another variant), and a route which ends at Dartford (SEHS).

    Either the 376 or 707 could be the loco DLC, given we only get 1 new train with a route nowadays.
     
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  3. d.heal

    d.heal Well-Known Member

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    Southern route yes please.
    Keep suggesting southerns routes and they hopefully should return
     
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  4. milo#3817

    milo#3817 New Member

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    its been recommended more then 20 times, no one will read it

    Also, the class 707's are being used more on the Cannon street loop, Gravesend to LondonVictoria, and dartford to charing cross. I do hope that this route gets added as its something very nice, also could be class 345 used at abbey wood for realism. Though hopefully we see this next year, we cant all just rely on NKL (TSC) for southern routes.
     
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  5. d.heal

    d.heal Well-Known Member

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    TSC had the problem of forgetting about Southern religious but that did get a small chance like the upgraded Portsmouth direct, Southampton to Bournemouth, Chatham Main Line: London Victoria & Blackfriars - Dover & Ramsgate.
    Tsw is definitely going down that route of forgetting about the south
     
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  6. 14trainfan2029

    14trainfan2029 Well-Known Member

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    The problem with the 465 is DTG have to record new sounds as recently Southeastern have changed the engine which has meant different sounds. And there is no point just going to Bexley as it would be pointless, just do it to Victoria
     
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  7. Eee

    Eee Well-Known Member

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    I don't really think it'd be pointless if there were a Bexley/Sidcup branch as services would still go to Charing X/Cannon Street Via that branch and the Victoria services could add more traffic along the lines making it busier and also for the Crayford services
     
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  8. anthony91919191

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    Mm some great real pics of sunny south east London , I would also like to see some action involveing Grove Park into London, or add on to sehs from dartford into London charring cross , cannon st , good luck …
     
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  9. Double Yellow

    Double Yellow Well-Known Member

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    If one of these routes or network ever came to fruition, I’d think Christmas has come early. The Thameslink and 465 are trains I use regularly, so having any of these routes in the game would be a dream come true.
     
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  10. milo#3817

    milo#3817 New Member

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    get listening DTG
     
  11. d.heal

    d.heal Well-Known Member

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    Dtg do have the licence to South Eastern
     
  12. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Don't they already have it?
     
  13. milo#3817

    milo#3817 New Member

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    they should probably make something from the south instead of ignoring us ay?
     
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  14. d.heal

    d.heal Well-Known Member

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    Yes look at South Eastern Highspeed route

    The South is getting misted because apparently players don't want more 3rd rail or Electrostars cording to matt. And for the last 2 years only focusing on northern routes.
    Say no 3rd rail routes cuts a lot of options not just southern England.
    And there are more then just Electrostars in the south in current day setting
     
  15. Wivenswold

    Wivenswold Well-Known Member

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    It's about time the electric mainlines north of the Thames get a look in after a lot of Northern and Scottish releases. 14km of Overground doesn't even start to make up for the huge TSW gap in the home counties and East Anglia.
     
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  16. finlayl122528

    finlayl122528 Well-Known Member

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    Well said my friend! We need more content north of the Thames and in London generally
     
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  17. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Or if they go south of the Thames into third rail country, something out of Waterloo preferably older era.
    Another South Eastern Division commuter route (modern at any rate) unlikely to be joining my collection.
     
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  18. SonicScott91

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    Not against more Southern region content, but let's have a more interesting era to separate it from SEHS at least.

    Older slam door stock would be a much welcome improvement ;)
     
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  19. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    sounds great :)
     
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