Is It Worth Getting Tsc When You Already Have Tsw ?

Who said I was bashing them? All I said is that DTG gets no money from sales of products sold directly through the AP and ATS sites - as least as far as I'm aware. I'm not bashing anyone. I have dozens of AP products. Why would I bash them? The ones I've used are good. I won't necessarily say superior in quality as I am indifferent in some aspects, but your constant defence against anything you perceive to be a slight at your favourite developers is extremely annoying.

BTW, the benefit of products sold on Steam is having the official licenses to do that, and I'm sure some of the money DTG gets would cover those licenses for the entire player base's benefit. There are also storage costs for Valve's portion. So all these extra costs third party sites choose to take on actually take that money back away from them again. Personally, selling through Steam means the content will generally always be there and you never run the risk of the site going offline, removing the content permanently.

 

It WOULD have an effect of future potential players finding them. And let's be honest: do you think TSC is REALLY going to be pulled?

 

Where did I or anyone say it was getting out for you to type REALLY. No one said that. I am not engaging with you any further in this discussion.

 

Oooh i see. And by chance after i bought an older version which then claims the latest version of TSC. Can i still buy the base routes from other versions of TSC? (and i am mainly aiming for UK ones).

 

Yes.

 

ah awesome.
apart from the routes i wish to get (so far mainly GEML and maybe the WCML?) are there any other UK routes that are recommended?
And is there a base route where it includes a WCML to start off with? (unsure as to which one starts off from Euston).

 

I recommend not buying any UK route and go for real trains instead

 

WCML-South is Euston to Birmingham and came out with TS2021
https://live.dovetailgames.com/live/train-simulator/articles/article/ts2021-announced

 

If the OP is looking for the WCML then you won't find it on your side of the pond.
So a stupid comment from you

 

If the WCML is your think then look for a copy of TS2021 as it came as a base route. They will give you London Euston to Birmingham. Also older routes such as WCML north will give you Glasgow to Carlisle and WCML over Shap will give you Carlisle to Preston. Both available on steam.

 

as much as how stupid it sounds, i am currently living in the UK even though i am from Hong Kong XD tho I have been on the WCML, only as far as milton Keynes however.

 

WCML Euston - Birmingham is a great route (by Michael Stephan (GreatNortherner)). It's demanding in places with complex OHLE though, but if you got a modern PC, no problem. Also, a good load of fantastic and free scenarios available from the Workshop.

 

Thank you for your bright intervention.

 

Does not sound stupid at all.
WT Suggesting you don't buy any UK Routes when you were asking about WCML was.

 

oh awesome, then i may give that route a try. Any other more i should be picking up?

 

What can I say? Ok, South Wales Main Line and North Wales Coastal are also a bang for the buck, just make sure you get the AP Sky & Weather EP, as the routes look meh in vanilla ToD lighting.

Would also recommend to browse this thread for inspirations.

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...classic-screenshots.54151/page-40#post-852553

 

It was also included in the first edition of TS Classic, which is available from Humble for £20, although I think the newest version of TS is a better deal.

Another vote for North Wales Coastal - roughly 100 miles and very pretty in parts. Definitely worth a go.

 

Five routes is a better deal than three, and I've seen three of the last four routes (four with Deluxe) for 70% off in sales, so I would say go for the current version first indeed.

And yes, North Wales Coastal. Fun note: scenarios for the old branded version will work in the unbranded folder (you would have to place them there manually) if you swap the stock to the unbranded versions. Same with South Wales Coastal in the South Wales Main Line folder. Welsh Marches also can do this.

 

oh and as for the enhancement packs. Ik ATS and AP stuff are all... well pretty expensive (even to me) apart from waiting for a sale are there anyhow i can get them for even a cheaper price? And i heard some of the poppluar ones are even deleted, if i had bought a loco that requires a specific enhancement that is now unpurchasable. Does that mean theres no way i can ever use that loco that somebody made then? Or is there a way i can get the unpurchasable enhancement packs

 

AP and ATS very occasionally run sales, but you might be waiting a while for them.

AP have withdrawn a number of packs over the years. Some of them have been replaced by enhancement packs or loco packs, but most of them have gone without replacement. It is not possible to get them if you did not already own them before they were withdrawn. The most recent withdrawal was the MTU EP, although that one will be getting a replacement pack soon.

 

That MTU TP i believe it would be the MTU HSTs is that correct? any updates on it so far and is there anywhere i can see what its progress of completion is at? (cuz i am hoping to get HSTs as well).

 

I'd not buy too much at once - the Sky&Weather enhancement is the only thing I strongly recommend as it transforms the whole game to much better lighting. After that, the Signal EP. TrackEP - not necessary, and doesn't look right everywhere. Decide for yourself.

I mean you can say AP is costly, yes. But you get quality that works out of the box. And quality has its price, either you can afford it or not. You can make TSC what you like it to be, some are happy with default stock, some want excellence. There's nobody forcing anything onto you. It's your "model railroad" - fill it with stock you want to have. The choice is what makes this a good sim, you don't have to wait for roadmaps or DLC. It's all there. It's the Golden Days for TSC players now.

And once you have a good base of routes and assets, the world of freeware routes opens up. These are often even better than most payware, as there's no profitability or deadlines involved. So these routes are made out of passion and not for making money. See "Harznetz 2000". Awesome.

As for the new MTU pack I'm eagerly awaiting too - it'll be released when it's done. You'll not get buggy beta DLC like in TSW from AP (the lousy ÖBB Taurus (they forgot the LZB display) was the nail in the coffin for me - the day I got it I immediately patched the broken interior lighting - and AP's MML BedPan was when I realised to get that variety and quality I could wait forever in TSW, so I've dumped it since.) I hope dunkrez 's Modern Cab Pack is included, as the current distributor ATS is not updating it and it doesn't work correctly / breaks some HSTs. Support is tight mouthed. Both tickets I filed on that matter are closed and nothing happened for weeks now. I don't recommend buying anything from ATS, be assured that AP have very good customer support instead (and do good QA before releasing something.)

 

AP packs can soon add up I am fortunate that I have basically all the packs but that’s buying them over the years. Keep an eye on AP social posts and sign up for newsletters via the website to keep an eye out for a sale. People here will post as well when a sale does takes place. All I will say is check the requirements for the packs you want some require say a DTG product as a requirement then the AP pack enhances that. Then some AP packs are the actual train itself and have no other requirements. If you ever need confirmation be sure to make a post here someone will guide you quickly.

 

AP prices have gone up since I originally bought most of the packs, so it's more expensive to get into if you are only starting now. I fortunately already have dozens of packs. There are some packs that have gone missing that I dearly hope get replacement EPs someday as there is great potential for them to get scenario usage.

AP has sales usually every four months. I have no clue whether ATS has a predictable schedule, but they are the least likely to have sales AFAIK. If you want RSSLO, they have stuff on sale on Steam often on discount but sometimes have their own site sales. DT also has lots of sales for 30-50% off if that's your cup of tea. Caledonia Works steamers, again, I have no idea how frequent their sales are.

 

Yes. I believe the new pack will still be an enhancement pack of the ancient Kuju model, but with a new cab presumably based on the ATS cab, and possibly model upgrades similar to those included in the brilliant MajorWales Revamp Pack. Major Wales has also developed a number of other revamp packs, which are free enhancement packs, or enhancements for other enhancements. Some aren't as good as others, such as the 153 pack that I could never get to work properly, but the 08, HST and Class 390 revamps are must haves. However, I expect the other two AP HST packs to be replaced after the MTU pack with similar upgrades, so I'm not sure there will be much of a need for the MJW revamp, bar some exclusive obscure liveries such as the First Great Western 'teardrop' livery, my personal favourite.

 

I tried swapping in the MW 08 before and I could never get it working. Was this a symptom of doing a stock swap or is it harder to actually get going?

I am sure updated liveries will be made for the HST.

 

The revamp packs don't work properly after file verifications but reinstalling them usually gets them working again. What sort of issues did you experience?

 

Swapped it into a scenario and could not do anything to apply power or get it moving. I know from reading elsewhere that swapping between a Kuju and BMG Black 5 has a similar issue where it doesn't work and you have to go into the editor first, but I went into the editor and my 08 still refused to operate. Granted, I replaced a different engine as well.

 

Are you running the current TSC version? The previous one had issues with some MJW stuff.

 

If you're swapping using locoswap the numbers won't be compatible, assuming it's trying to copy the previous numbers onto the MJW version. Try going into the scenario editor, placing the new 08 down, then moving the tasks across to it.

 

That might explain it. I think it was 2022 I was running at the time, might have been 2021.

Yeah, I know to look at those.

 

I wonder will ever the class 390 pack be returning with it being improved...

 

Both the AP sound pack and MJW revamp pack are still available. See here and here. The Virgin Class 390 pack by DTG is not required for either pack, and the Major Wales pack doesn't need it at all except if you want the Virgin-branded passenger view.

 

I doubt AP would change the pack for any reason - maybe withdraw it like so many others

 

Even then, there is a Virgin skin for the 390 with WCML South now. So provided the 390 packs cover the WCML version, everything is kosher.

It's still for sale. The question is more for things like the 57, the 303, the 47, and the Deltic.

 

Wandering WAY off the topic.

 

How? We're discussing elements of TSC. It's up to each user to decide how that fits the topic of whether TSC is worth it for TSW players.

 

The MJW revamp pack includes almost every livery the 390 has ever worn with dozens of variations depending on the numbers. One of my favourites is 390151, Virgin Ambassador, which can either have the full 'Business is Great Britain' decal set, or have the later version where it is removed but the alternate Virgin logos remain.

Not really. The conversation about the Class 390 was started by the OP, as they'd like to have it in TS and are weighing up their options for getting into TS.

I believe the reason given for their withdrawal is so that AP could release enhancement packs later on. It isn't a very good reason, but all of those trains could benefit from an EP. However, with the exception of GSMR, the 390 with the revamp pack applied has nothing wrong with it. I imagine that an enhancement pack for it would have few advantages over what we already have.

 

If you think a reply is off topic use the report button state the reason why and let admin deal with it.
I think the op has more than enough help now though and answers to help them decide.

 

Man, you are wandering way off topic too

Forget all the off topic discussion and invest 3 dollars, then you know it is worth it or not.

 

Last I checked this wasn't RWA.

 

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With regards the OP's question, it's a bit like asking "Is it worth buying a reliable, efficient, old car, when I've already got a broken, restricted, new car?"

 

uhhhhh you can take it like that yea XD

 

What? I know it's a beast if you have lots of content installed, but 6 minutes?

Same here.... a LOT of content.... and, a PC made in 2012 (i7 3960X, 16GB DDR, SATA SSD)... 2 minutes to load, max - often way faster depending on the route loading. Something not right there.

 

As far as I'm aware it's scenarios.
Now I'm running a lean install and it's just a second or two. Same about Drive.
If someone has a lot of payware, freeware, scenario packs, workshop, it might add up. Also appears to be somewhat exponential (makes sense with observable lists). I got used to it being slow but I'd have done something, too.

 

Probably. Most of the time is "updating scenario database" with me, and also selecting the drive tab, or "standard" scenario tab... so yeah... the more scenarios you have, the slower.

 

I don't understand why people have massive installs. You can't be interested in everything, all of the time. I only install what interests me currently and periodically delete everything. It keeps everything working fast and smooth.

 

I guess it's not touching what works.

In my (Steam-only) case, whenever I purchased something, it automatically installed, so it would be effort (and a waste of resources) to uninstall it. Guess I could set TSC to only update manually, but I didn't know back then. So it was just a matter of leaving it be. The only stuff I removed was DLC I was done with. (On top of workshop which now reliably kills my game idling in the menus.) Also, on a new PC you have to clickety-clack that 500 DLC one by one to remove them.

Many players struggle with 3rd party installations, many of which are cross-referencing. If nothing else, mixing rolling stock.
Segregating by region (Europe / America at least) makes sense although there are cross-references still.

The most basic suggestion is to remove scanning the scenario database on every startup. DLC install places a flag, 3rd party can do the same, workshop is installed from within the game, so 99% of players (and 99.97% of startups) don't need this feature. Since the SDB is updated on exit, too. For the remaining miniscule portion, a button to Rescan Scenarios could do.

 

One reaon.... because most of the stuff is a requierment for other stuff. I once tried to make my install smaller and afterwards I suddenly had missing ground textures on a route. So I got a 2 Terabyte SSD and just keep everything now. Less trouble.
I do remove really old rolling stock though.