I started playing LGV Med again the other day after a long gap away from it, and it got me wondering - what happened to the possibility of more French content? I wasn't on the forums at the time the DLC was released, so I may have missed something back then. Was there ever a statement from DTG to say that no further French content would be produced, or has it just never really come up since? Seems like a lot of effort was put in to making French assets for them not to be used again, save for TVM on SEHS.
Matt already answered it in another thread but the main reason there isn't more French dlc is the actual length of the track. To go anywhere logically, the track ends up being really long which would be a lot of work for dlc. It's also more complicated compared to kassel wurzburg because the scenery is more varied.
Was there ever mention of wider French content beyond other LGV routes? I'm honestly more interested in the lignes classiques anyway - TER services etc.
It is a valid question and why have we not seen French classic routes in the same variety longer and shorter as for the other countries? Not everything SNCF is TGV/LGV, turn the clock back a few years and there are many routes operated by loco hauled consists of Corail or UIC style stock. Fond memories of travelling Calais to Basel loco hauled via Lille and Charleville on the old overnight service. Dieppe to Paris, Paris to Nimes via the Cevenol, one hell of a ride. Something Paris suburban or RER would make a nice change.
No. But licensing might be a reason. There's only French high speed in tsc and tsw so the sncf license was probably only for the tgv and high speed
This was the reason he gave to making the short section of Marseille-Avignon, and not any other section of the TGV network. The stations are really close together. The LGV route was made because it was an LGV route, not because it was French. There are no plans to incorporate France into the game, and there never were any plans. It was a one off, unfortunately.
There was the Fret SNCF freight loco for the cross boarder Strasbourg - Karlsruhe on TSC, but thats about it for official French content. (On top of the TGV loco DLC we don't mention)
I’m 99% confident that’s not true, cause I’m 99% confident Matt was mentioning in a stream a little while ago about working on more French content.
After all, it is a railway, not an urban line for Tram. As already answered, there are also traditional non-LGV lines. The TGV itself, from Marseille towards Nice, runs along a line along the French Riviera, which is not LGV at all and is shared with rolling stock of all types such as TER/EC and if I'm not mistaken also regional and perhaps freight. We already have Marseille. From there we could open a new route along the French Riviera (60-80km). This would also populate the Saint Charles station.
French Riviera with classic loco hauled Corail stock alongside TGV would be a Day One purchase for many.
From Toulon (1 hour 47 minutes in the video) to Marseille an Intercity (but I think all trains, including TGVs) takes about 40 minutes. It would be a day one purchase for many. Cab Ride Nice-Marseille (Toulon-Marseille is about 60-65 Km):
I'd happily take most routes - I did Calais-Ville to Lille-Flandres via Hazebrouck in December 2023 on the way through to Bern, and it was gorgeous. Passing through the fields of Northern France as the winter sun rose above the fog was a truly unforgettable sight. To my knowledge the Lille-Fontinettes Line comes in just short of 70 miles, and also I have a soft spot for both the TER Nord-pas-de-Calais and Hauts-de-France liveries, so that would be one I'd pick up straight away, loco-hauled or EMU (sorry Vern!). In any case, it's nice to see other people sharing a love for French rail on here, even if nothing else may come of it.
If a French route did come to fruition, and taking into the limitations because of length Matt has stated in previous posts, the only plausible high speed route to me would be a further extention of SE High Speed to include the CTRL line to Calais...
Just going on what Matt said about its the length of the route that was the issue with anymore LGV lines... This is no disrespect to Matt or to DT, but it's such a waste as the TGV route is one of my favourite foreign routes. I'm usually strictly British content, but the TGV route is fantastic and high speed French routes in general would be amazing... and we get enough German high speed routes... My reasoning for the CTRL is because it's only a 44mile extension, so would give you a good run in a Eurostar from St. Pancras to Calais!
From Ashford to Folkestone it should be about 25 km (at 300 km/h) then if I remember correctly there are about 55 (always in KM) of tunnel and you arrive in Calais. For me they can also save themselves a similar route, where you have 5 minutes of landscape and then you enter the tunnel and you are also limited to not exceeding 150-160km/h. If it was to arrive in Lille it was also fine, but if it is used to travel through a tunnel at a reduced speed and as you exit the map ends, then it is really useless. Anyway the discussion had moved on to the French railway, in general, not exclusively LGV.
No problem with SNCF EMU’s! Other lines I did in France are Dieppe to Paris St Lazare (I think it was) but that was 0 dark something off the boat from Newhaven so didn’t see much. Paris to Basel which was loco hauled Corail stock in both directions. Actually on the way out, think we changed at Mulhouse. The classic line from Paris Nord to Calais Maritime was also very nice. Diesel from Amiens to Calais and very scenic where it ran by the sea. Finally Valence I think it was to Geneva which surprised me being diesel hauled all the way and a lovely scenic route. Vive la France!
Only French train I’ve been on is the Euro tunnel (the car transporter between Folkestone and Calais) 7 times, though I have been inside Gare Montparnasse but only to purchase a sandwich though French content is one of my top countries to see in TSW.
I loved LGV Mediterranee, the train is gorgeous... and soooo loooong... looks great when doing camera 8 fly-bys ... would love a chance to drive it more, not only on TVM, but also some KVB action
It would be nice to see an ordinary French route! Something like Perpignan-Narbonne, with TER Services (Occitanie). Or Marseille-Ventimiglia (Riviera), obviously a section (reusing Saint-Charles Terminal). Loco+Corail and EMU. Folez was creating the BB 22200+VTU. Now it seems that he's joining the official team, as a developer. Fingers crossed!
I would welcome a route with both TVM and KVB involved... I like the challenge of the transition as well
I would also love to see more French content. Spent many Summers on the French Riviera and absolutely loved the train journeys along the Côte d’Azur, like others I would love to see this line in TSW, I can remember it being made for MSTS -(https://www.elvastower.com/forums/index.php?/topic/16062-provence-cote-dazur/). I used to like seeing the variety of trains, and remember the modern multiple units being introduced on the local services and thinking it won’t be the same when they fully take over(can’t remember how long ago that was now) I remember one day travelling on a Corail set Westbound near Cannes and we got overtaken by a TGV, the joy of all lines being bi di(unlike the uk where they are few and far between).
Wasn’t there a line along the Riviera in BVE at one point, Jason? Though maybe I’m getting confused with San Remo over the border in Italy. Though yet again the old line, now closed, hugging the coastline would be fantastically different from another dull A to B UK or German commuter route.
all these contemplations in this thread are nice, but lets get back to the very basics - TGV Duplex is a pretty damn good train, and it is still criminally underutilized... what a thrill it would be if we could drive it both highspeed and under 160 as well, play more with power changes, safety system changes, like, really play with it, not just LGV route and a couple services on SEHS
Could it be a case where the enthusiast movement just isn't as big in France as it is in the UK, Germany and Austria/Switzerland? I did ask about why there are no Iberian routes planned in TSW and basically the answer I got was because developers are short on the ground there.
Think it’s a bit of classic “chicken and egg” too on behalf of DTG. They don’t want to spend money researching and setting up systems signalling etc and creating country specific assets if it’s not going to sell well. OTOH, if you don’t try then you’ll never know. Reminded of the classic line from Field Of Dreams - “If you build it, they will come.”
It's obvious that France will sell well, anywhere scenic will sell well and France has a ton of spectacular routes.
For LGV dtg can make LGV Atlantique (a branch to le Mans or Laval) in LGV est (east) from paris est to Reims and LGV nord (north) from lille flandres,Europe to paris nord the 3 routes does around 100 km -200 km i think the big problem is on rolling stock to make a good TGV réseau or 2n2 or pos and a duplex 200 could be more better than the 200 we have in game
I don’t think so Vern, if there was I don’t remember it. It would just be nice to have a French route that has a mixture of trains, bit of freight, TGV, Corail, Ter along it.
I must have been thinking of something else. As an aside, remember that Simulator de Treno I think it was called, Italian jobbie which I think ran along the coast. We had the demo and seeing how far you could get before it timed out. Eventually the full version came out, which I must have bought but long since lost in various PC crashes/reformats.
"Simulatore Treno" was the Italian BVE. Project developed entirely by a single person (like also BVE), I think an engineer, who also continued to update it. Some references for nostalgics can be found here: http://signa.texnet.it/ (There are images ) In BVE or OpenBVE I remember playing a route that was along the Ligurian coast between Genoa and La Spezia (so not far from the French border and the French Riviera). The very picturesque area between Genoa and La Spezia is called Le Cinque Terre: https://www.google.com/search?q=le+cinque+terre The route was this: https://www.bardellarotaia.it/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=920&sid=e877c4b708737ce4a2bf9fa71eeec29a
I had totally forgotten about that! Went back to have a look at the early photos in that thread, and it's some really spectacular work - hopefully it comes to something. Honestly that's the sweet spot - again my candidate would be Hauts-de-France, with a mix of everything in the Lille/Calais area. Anyone know if TER-GV is still a thing up there? That'd be a good logical way to get a TGV set onto a relatively shorter and slower route.
My favorite would be something like Strasbourg-Basel. There you could layer the TGV, add a 37000 for freight, and Regiolis for regional trains. 26000 with Corail coaches could be 1 DLC, and AGC another. Great route
Day One purchase for me. Fond memories of passport control to/from the SNCF platforms at Basel. Usually waved through with a shrug and customs check non existent. Could have smuggled loads of Swiss chocolate if I’d wanted to…
but there is a problem Dtg must make Vtu + B** + B5 and BB 26000 because on strasbourg Bâle there are TER with push pull to Bâle (basel) and it's a big work but i will make a french route on TSW i have a idea for a french route
It would be amazing to see SimExpress make its entry, as a 3rd party, in the game. Gorgeous, detailed locomotives and coaches!
I don't play TSC so I had absolutely no idea someone had made such a fantastic collection of addons! I know TSC and TSW are very different beasts, but it gives me hope that we could see more SNCF stock in game eventually.
I think you'd also like Devmares who recently released their CC40100, which is incredibly advanced and extremely pretty, and easily can be considered one of the best locomotives ever developed for TS.
the forum must be in English for moderation purposes, moderators don’t have time to translate every piece.
