That is my point, we may be getting a larger diesel route, for the September release. In that case the loco would be perfect.
Going to throw in a mention to the DB Br 102 aswell, more of the unique design among the DB trains, I’ve got zero clue about its services though. cab car It’s cab car would also be a welcome change to the current one in game.
They're used exclusively on the München-Nürnberg-Express since 2020 and are so unreliable that they're apparently planning to get rid of them again by 2028.
Yes you are right. But that locomotive and passenger train set, is not made in Germany. They are of the Skoda brand. The same as the automobile one, but on another division of the company! So the question is..."DE" for DTG, it means is a locomotive "running" on Germany or "produced" there or "both"?...
Running in Germany. Going by country of manufacture makes very little sense. The Thameslink Class 700 would be a German train if you wanted to classify them that way.
I think i heard it was, I would have thought they would be more careful on stuff what isn’t in game for such images to be fair, quite easy to set the fan base off though good explanation to keep the leak from looking like a leak too early on
I agree. I think it'll be modern, electric and commuter focused. As much as I'd love something the opposite of all those things.
I just hope that the roadmap will actually reveal something and it'll not just stay as "DE loco" and "German Route".
I thought the 12's roadmap will reveal the DE loco but they forget? , or it just no any progress anyway very disappointing news.
I think we will see the TSG DR V300 = DR BR 132 = DB BR 232 earlier than the german Simtrak loco. The reason is, that they have enough to do with the Class 104 and the Peak Forest update (both announced for more than a year). And so far it seems there is no realy progress for that project. So the german loco will come with TSW7. And I would bet it will be a DB Br 152 or DB BR 145. So they could use the ingame Traxx2. It's the same with Class 104, that is very similar to Class 101.
Very, very different beasts though. The 145 is a TRAXX, yes, but the 152 is a very different loco. Stronger, better to drive, and more reliable.
I'll stick to my guns and say/hope it's gonna be a V90 or 290. Reasons being: 1. It's very versatile and could be useful on basically any existing German route. IRL those things have been at home at most German cargo rail yards for decades, for shunting operations and small to medium delivery hauls. So if it's being released as a single loco addon like the BR 204 before, players who own many routes could get a lot of bang for their buck. 2. It would bridge the gap between the 363/365 and the 218. The 363 is a ton of fun to handle, but way out of its depth with many services on many routes. For example, some services on Dresden-Chemnitz or Kinzigtalbahn can be very, very tedious, while some on other routes can only be completed by a hair's breadth under the best of circumstances. Or not at all. Try hauling ~1500t of timber up from Aschaffenburg Hafen to the main station... With about 10km/h max you'll have enough time to PRAY it won't start raining/snowing and all signals stay green... The 218 on the other hand shouldn't be on regular freight duty at all during the time periods most routes are taking place. 3. It offers something different. Do we really need another loco which hits the same spot that any other Vectron or TRAXX does? I would rather see something that covers it's very own field of use, instead of something that can simply sub in for 3-4 already existing locos. In conclusion, I'm still dreaming about some nice and diverse diesel route, where the 218 can really stretch its legs in passenger services and the 290 handles freight operations. But sadly it looks like that won't be happening in the forseeable future... Phew, really had to get that out of my system
I agree diesel is lacking in German routes, but I'm curious what the V90 (290) offers that the V100 (204) doesn't? It looks about the same to me. Same shape/engine/etc? Just add the 204 to more routes maybe as people have been asking for all along?
I'd like to see a multi-modal option. Diesel/electric. Like the EuroDual. The Euro4000 sold quite a few copies (full diesel) too.
Ideally, I would wish to have some sort of Dual-Mode Locomotive be added as it adds an extreme amount of versatility both for Non-Electrified and Electrified routes. Realistically, I genuinely have no clue at this point. V90/290 doesn't seem too likely as it Shunting Locomotives seem quite rare, it might maybe be the ludmilla or some other older electric loco maybe to fit onto Ludwigsbahn.
Is the Class 88 similar to anything they make for the Continent? I know that's a dual mode in the UK based on a European design.
The 294 is the local freight locomotive in all of Germany even in 2024, while the 204 hasn't been in revenue service since 2009. A 204 can theoretically do the same things a 294 can do, but it would be nowhere near accurate, and the 204's bad physics in TSW don't help either.
That doesn't really help though. Besides being called something else, it's the same basic design. What makes it different? Amity claimed it was something completely different. If it's just a different nameplate or livery it's not different enough to be very "different." That's why I asked the question. What capabilities does it have that the other one doesn't? What can you sell it to people (and DTG) with? For example the V60 (363/365) you can say "well it's similar in the same family but it has almost twice the power and a third more traction." As pointed out above. However, what wasn't explained was how it would offer something a lot different between the V90 and V100. You can make the case that it'd be "made by someone else" but again, that's to my understanding more like a sub-class of the same locomotive (like the Class 47/3 vs the Class 47/4) so.... is it as similar as the two marks of 47 are? Is it really just a sub-variant of what we already have? I like the 363, and the 204, so I'd BUY IT if it were released even if it were just an updated 204 that ran on more routes. (The biggest issue of the 204 and why it really didn't take off in sales since it's tied to only one route) But I was jus tasking if there's anything else to know about it. What in particular separates the two? If it's just an updated 204, that'd still be useful on a bunch of routes because as pointed out it does fit a power band that isn't well covered. However, all I can find on them is that they were "heavier than the V100", "re-engined with a new 1,500 hp engine" and a "had a remote control for shunting." Now could those be modeled to make it somehow unique? 1,500 hp is a lot more substantial power upgrade and there's not much in that range in game for Germany as far as I can tell. The remote could be a neat option too. There's not a lot of shunting to be fair in TSW (compared to say Derail Valley) but the remote in that game is really useful when doing the shunting. See what I mean? New stuff that separates it from a V100. Really the only issue I had with the 204 was that it was only on one route.
Stadler it has the 3 different powered locomotives: --The Eurodual: the "hybrid" one which can rides both as electric or diesel one - The Euro 6000: only electric one - The Euro 4001: only diesel one. Those ones are six axle locomotives. This last one, we have in my country: Uruguay Despite I would like to have this one, considering more routes are electrified, that should be the one to be available first for TSW5. Later will be great if DTG offers the diesel one too. The Euro Dual I believe will be complicated.
operator#7940 It's quite easy to get confused with all those, but I'll try to clear it up a little There's a loco originally called V100, made in Western Germany in the late 50's. This one. It comes in two versions, with ~800kW and ~990kW power plant, is geared for 100km/h max speed and has been used as kind of a jack-of-all-trades during from the early 60's to the early 90's. At the time period most TSW routes are set in, those locos (sadly) have all but vanished, and are mostly being used by some private historic organisations and construction companies. In the mid 60's, a quite similar loco has been designed again in Western Germany. The V90. It features similar dimensions and layout like the abovementioned V100, and even uses the same power plant. But it's built heavier and sacrifices top speed (80km/h max), both in favour of better traction. As mkraehe#6051 already mentioned, it's THE diesel freight loco of Germany to this day, there are literally hundreds still in use all over the country. The V100 which is already ingame, the BR 204, has been manufactured in Eastern Germany, the former GDR from the mid 60's to early 80's. That's the one. It looks similar, but is a completely independent development. It's actually a little bit stronger than the other two (~1100kW), is just as fast (100km/h max) but more intended for route service instead of shunting and freight hauling. It's more similar to the Western V100 than the V90. Its numbers have diminished greatly as well, and is now mostly seen with construction firms, just like its Western counterpart. That's the thing: Of all these three locos, the V90 is the only one which still sees widespread use in its intended role, to this day. It's the natural choice, so to say
It could be a 120+Intercity restaurant car , 140 (E40) , SÜWEX 429 (Flirt 3), 152 (ES 64F)... Certainly something related to Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn (and stratified onto other routes)! We'll see...
Thank you for explaining. They look very similar to one another and are in the same range of duties. The rebuilt ones with the bigger engines would definitely be something that would fit into most German routes. It'd make some of the borderline 363 stuff less... exhausting. I'm all for the "little engine that could" but going 10 kph for any length of time is just kinda boring (and unsafe in any weather conditions) It's not really suited for the bigger jobs. Do you happen to know what routes it would fit on? Would it work on Niddertalbahn or Maintalbahn for example?
You're very welcome Yes, me too. Don't get me wrong, I love the 363, it's a lot of fun to drive! But some of the services are just too much for that little loco. The layout of the V90's cab is actually quite similar to the 363 overall, so it shouldn't be too hard to get into things: The 204? Since it's an East German loco and always has been more common in these parts of the country, it could replace the 363 on Dresden-Riesa and Dresden-Chemnitz quite well I'd say. Especially on the latter route, some of the shunting operations around Freiberg are very annoyingly tedious with the 363, especially in bad weather. The 204 would do much better there. In my opinion, Dresden-Riesa especially would offer much more shunting opportunities than the 363 currently gets anyway. Or do you mean the V90? Well, basically... almost anywhere, really. There would be much to do for them on all the Ruhr routes, the Aschaffenburg harbour services could really use them (V90 for commuting between harbour and main station, 363 for shunting at the harbour), but also routes like Bremen-Oldenburg, Frankfurt-Fulda or München-Augsburg. In the right livery it could even spruce up the lackluster cargo traffic at Linke Rheinstrecke
The only commonality is that it's a diesel hydraulic "road switcher" loco with a central cab. The 204 is an East German loco, while the 294 is of West German origin, so they are not related at all. Every route. Literally every single one, except for Kassel - Würzburg I guess. If you wanted to have a East German V100 on either of these routes, it would need to represent a private operator. DB uses 294s (and Voith Gravitas) here, just like everywhere else. The train serving Freiberg is pretty cool in real life actually: an electric loco pulls it from Dresden to Freiberg, with a 294 pushing on the rear. The electric loco immediately returns to Dresden light loco, while the 294 shunts at Freiberg and pulls the return train to Dresden.
I’m all for getting a V90 in TSW. I love the V60 but it’s quite odd to see her as the default shunter in TSW at this point. She’s still in service all over Germany, yes, but the V90 is simply the definitive shunter in real life. You can’t go two meters in Germany without stumbling over one (I’m exaggerating but you get the point). In my neck of the woods, the remaining V60s are stuck on BW duties shunting other locos and cars around for maintenance while the actual shunting for the freight trains is the sole responsibility of the V90s.
I am hoping it will be something suitable for LFR, maybe a 140 or 141? They are making a "classic" diesel in the shape of the class 104 for PFR so maybe that is a sign their DE loco offering will be more of a period piece.
And in comes my mandatory post for support! The 140 would add so much to LFR as an appropriate freight loco and the 141 would be a much more believable loco on the locals than the 110s (push/pull 110s didn’t even exist until the end of the year LFR is set in). If both could be made, the fleet of 103, 110, 140, 141 would already give you most of what you need for any vintage electrified line in West Germany. With additional stuff like TSG’s 365, 628, 111, possibly a backdated 218 at some point, we would have a good amount of vintage stock ready to go for more vintage routes.
A 140 would be an instant buy for me as well! It could not only fit well into LFR, but with the right livery, also into so many other routes. Up until the early 2010's, they could be seen on basically any elctrified cargo route all across Germany And it's different enough from the 110 to make sense to have it ingame.
It sounds like a 140/141 could pretty much replace the class 110 on LFR then? I do hope DTG or a third party, revisit this route, it is one of my favourites in the sim including the UK routes.
The 140 sounds more like what we'll get since it fits into what exists already in the game. Sadly since I don't think it's as interesting as some of the other proposed options.
Well, according to this site, until 2014 the early morning and afternoon additional rush hour services between Mainz and Koblenz were served with BR 111+4 n-Wagen. Not sure, if it was like this also somewhat 15 years back in time, but at least, can't completely rule it out...
Sadly, my first visit to the real LFR was in 2009, so I can't tell with 100% truth... but from what I could gather from my sources, it roughly looked like this during the late 90's: Fast trains ICE 1, IC with BR 103 or BR 120 Regional trains Mainz to Gau-Algesheim (towards Saarbrücken): BR 218 + 4x n-Wagen Mainz to Gau-Algesheim (towards Bad Kreuznach): BR 628 Mainz to Bingen: BR 628 or BR 140 + 3x to 4x n-Wagen Mainz to Koblenz: BR 140 (RB's which stop at all stations), BR 110 (RE's only stopping at certain larger stations), BR 111 (a few RE's per day, continuing further on towards Frankfurt) Koblenz to Boppard (towards Emmelshausen): BR 218 + 3x n-Wagen Freight trains Colourful mix of BR 140, 139, 150, 151. But the majority of freight trains were directed along the "Rechte Rheinstrecke" (right-side Rhine track). Shunting at Mainz and Koblenz: BR 363, BR 290 Conclusion: As of now, we already have got many of the required locos to shape this into a very diverse route... all we need is a 140, some good liveries for the 218, and a timetable modder with too much spare time
The codename here for Linke Rheinstrecke, or left-side Rhine route. Gamers loooove to abbreviate things. Always have.
To which I would add, the 204 (DR V100) would have no use on the older Bundesbahn routes that are starting to appear in TSW
Perhaps someday we are going to get a vintage Reichsbahn route? Reichsbahn of East Germany, that is. We already got the 204, as well as the 143 and the 155... that's a solid base. Throw in some new vintage liveries and a bunch of authentic rolling stock, and off we go
