Will The Class 150/2 In Tsw Ever Be Remastered Back To Life?

Initially I thought it might be a case of misinterpreted English that was coming across quite rude, but then when he started quite bluntly dismissing questions (which I may add some of these questions were important things for routes), with genuinely quite angry sounding and a single worded 'No... " answer to questions, I thought, wow there's no need to be so ratty! So I'm glad I wasn't the only one who was watching that stream and thinking the same thing!

 

You probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than Rivet improving the Class 150/2.

Honestly i would be happy to sign a petition to have Rivet Games booted off as a third party developer. I can confidently say that they are the worst third party developer in tsw history. They don't do updates that drastically improve the state of their routes. I own Edinburgh-Glasgow and I was hoping that they would improve the sounds of the 385 but they never did. The scenery on that route when traveling through the countryside is pretty terrible. The roads on that route are very sloppy, the distant scenery on that routes is terrible as well.

It's baffling how they still haven't gotten sounds for the Class 385. There is a moder who drastically improved the sounds of the 385. If they are having trouble, then perhaps they could get in touch with the person who made the mod and see if they could use those sounds. We have seen DTG do that in the past.

 

DTG have said that modders can do things they can't.
They've already commented on this saying that they looked into it, but wern't able to use the same system.

 

No

 

As WCL came up yesterday evening on my randomiser system for TSW, I had to torment myself driving the wretched thing from St Austell to Penzance for an hour.

Along with all the previous documented issues, I noticed a couple which might not have been mentioned previously.
1. After you release the brakes, the “rub” sound persists for some time after, over a minute so does not seem properly synchronised with what the train is doing.
2. With safety systems enabled, the vigilance keeps sounding regardless of whether you have just made a control input, throttle, brakes or horn. My understanding of UK traction is that vigilance only sounds if there has been a defined interval (think it might be 60 seconds) without any control input being detected.

The little errors on the route continue to irk. Departing St Austell on the Down, the first signal I approached was at green but triggered an AWS caution horn in the cab. Numerous PSR advance warning boards do not have any associated AWS magnets.

Jasper_Rivet Are there any plans to revisit these outstanding issues or has the 150/2 and WCL effectively been abandoned. You could talk to Skyhook about how to mix and match the sounds correctly which would at least make the 150 sound better.

 

LOL. Skyhook and their brilliant NS ES44AC and DB 187. Sure Vern. They are the pros in terms of sound... You wanted to say "talk to DTG". Probably a typo.

 

DTG should put a ban on any new content from Rivet Games until they have satisfied a proviso to tidy up their current catalogue. A fire and forget attitude should be heavily frowned upon. Surely Rivet can do better. I like Rivets selected route choices on paper but am disappointed by the low quality of the finished product. I do believe that only an embargo will fix things.

 

The 150/2 is the worst loco in TSW imo period. It should be removed and rebuilt by a different dev. Surely people at DTG are reading these threads and wondering what could be done to make us satisfied customers. We’ve paid for a sub standard product.

 

Only in so far as SHG seemed to get it right with the 158, but agree re the other stuff.

 

Bahahaha.

You think DTG care about a DLC that’s years old? You can barely get them to fix something 6 months old.

They don’t care if you’re satisfied after you’ve purchased it, which is what I personally don’t get about the people who are all about supporting devs by buying this stuff when it releases. The only time routes & trains get significant reworks is if A) there is a lone developer or 2 who will do it for free in their own time, or B) it gets remastered and resold at full price anyway.

Obviously this isn’t a brush just to smear over every piece of content, but when you’re talking about something so obviously & massively flawed from the get go, I just wouldn’t bother with it.

The 150 & WCL are not going to get fixed, we’re simply going to have to wait for both that route & train to be tackled from scratch by another Dev.

 

A better sound mix wouldn't help. Sound is also tied to physics so if physics is wrong, sound is also wrong. So rivet would have to rebuild the whole thing and that's definitely not happening

 

150 and WCL stink and are probably never getting updated… but am I the only one who actually likes fife circle?

 

Nope. I’m a fan of the Fife circle too. One of my top 3 routes that I play currently. It’s not as bad as people make it out to be, but it’s a Rivet product though so expectations are low. It’s not perfect, but it doesn’t deserve the amount of hate it receives. Also a lot of the negativity on the route is from people who have openly said they don’t even own the route, which always baffles me. Maybe try it first.
Comparing the WCL to Fife is like driving a vauxhall astra vs a Ferrari , though the Ferrari is slightly faulty, but in a fully drivable state and better quality.

 

I do own the route, and it feels very much like an early route from TSW2020. Fife Circle certainly doesn't feel like a TSW4 route, never mind it being completely dead with the lack of AI and shoddy scenery. The only decent thing about it, is the modelling of the Class 170... I'm hoping Rivet will implement further updates with the Leven Branch upgrade, but then again pigs can fly...

 

Yes I am aware of that. Well they should actually have a clue what they are doing before attempting to build what they don’t really understand.

There is absolutely no reason why they shouldn’t go back and fix it. The route is still on sale in the TSW catalogue and at full price. Same goes for all the other unfixed content and not just by Rivet.

 

Most TSW routes have lack luster scenery though, apart from Surrogate, Blackpool and LIRR. I base the route on the journey. I love the drive from Edinburgh to Markinch, just the right amount of distance between each station and the beautiful countryside to feast my eyes at. Travelling at a medium to high speed, no snail pace like WSR which I can’t stand. All those points make it a great route for me.
I will be gutted if Rivet cancel the Leven branch update though, let’s hope they keep their promise.

 

It certainly has 'potential', but it's how that potential is pounced on by Rivet is the issue for me personally. Edinburgh to Glasgow had the potential to be one of the best routes in the game, however it was practically abandoned until Skyhook created and padded out the timetable. I just hope, Rivet really pull their socks up with Leven and give the route the potential it deserves.

Also, why they added a post Covid timetable instead of the pre Covid timetable was confusing. If the route had full Circle services it'd really add something to it. I feel a little underwhelming starting or ending at Markinch. I wouldn't mind it if the full circle services existed, so you could to drive an express every so often. I just get bored with the current timetable and lack of AI and just 170s...

I'm hoping Skyhook have a redeveloped timetable to go with their 158 just like they done with EG... It would give the route the TLC it needs. Last but not least it'll be nice to have the Leven branch to be able to drive full services that start and terminate...

But it's subjective. Just because I don't enjoy it for said reasons, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm right and if you enjoy it and it suits you, then that's all that matters from a personal perspective!

 

Everything you said is justified and you have a right to be annoyed. There are definitely areas of the fife circle route I wish had more polish, especially around the Edinburgh airport area. Why no planes taking off for that added immersion? No passing boats under the fourth bridge.
They added HST recently, but only as AI. I wish they were playable in scotsrail livery, as HST run very frequent on those lines up to Aberdeen. Think they’re present on Cathcart too, though DTG have yet to add them on that route as AI even.
I’m still keeping my fingers crossed on Fife and the improvements by Rivet. If we do happen to see a flying pig or two, than you have every right to say to me “I told you so”.