Route Wcml

The WCML would be a great addition to our train simulator or maybe an upcoming train sim? This route could include the class 350 and the 390. Although, the 390 COULD be sold as a different addon for the route like the birmingham cross city line, Centro 323. There are so many people that would love this route and these trains in our beloved train simulator.
Who else wants this in our game?

 

I take it you have seen the thread in the main forum area, regarding part of WCML South has been leaked as the possible UK route for the big late summer release/TSW5.

 

112 Miles of fun

 

More like 51 from Euston to MKC. No doubt if true, all will be revealed in due course.

 

I want the Full Route from Train Simulator with 113 Miles from Euston to Birmingham
50 Miles is a joke

 

Well we don’t know what the actual extent is and it seems discussion around the leak is being discouraged, so probably need to wait for some sort of official announcement.

 

Euston is Milton Keynes is a joke. you might as well have a ECML route that is Kings Cross to Stevenage

 

It would be good for the St Albans Abbey branch line to be included as well, for a little variety on the 350

 

Agree.

If the mainline extent is Euston to Milton Keynes, I’d hope that the branch to St Albans is in there too.

If it goes as far as Rugby, I wouldn’t mind dropping that branch in favour of the Northampton Loop.

I’m not fussed about the Marston Vale line really.

 

IF this route was to come out I wonder if they’d raise the bar again and stretch it to at least Rugby considering how high speed routes lately have been 60+ miles long

 

IF we do get the WCML, I would like to see it get some length but I wouldn't want it to include Euston.

 

Why exactly wouldn't you want it to include Euston? It adds another london terminal which in turn adds more route possibilities and we are lucky to get any major terminals nowadays

 

Because many AWC services skip a lot of stations.

 

I’m trying to understand cause don’t they skip stations regardless of the section?

 

I was going to say (before I got dragged away) was the next logical end point after Euston is Birmingham NS for Avanti services, which is considered to be too far.

 

Doable but we just believe DTG will cut it short as usual thanks to their reputation of short lines

 

I fear so, that's why I don't really want Euston as a start point. We'd just end up with another GWE.

 

Nah, let's go Euston. We would get the potential of Watford DC lines, Wembley and Willesden Yards, Wembley Intercity depot, Willesden Royal Mail terminal, literally so much that could possibly be offered

 

GWE was just unfortunate to be done in the worst time possible. I’m sure if they did it later on instead it would’ve stretched to at least Didcot Parkway or Oxford

 

And knowing that they’ve held the licences for the main two operators, and the third for TfL for maybe a year, it bodes well for surpassing our expectations. I really hope so anyway.

The UK DLC for TSW4 has been ‘light’ to say the least.

 

This is the problem I have, the WCML could have so much potential, but what if it is a short, incomplete route? I wouldn't put it past DTG to just do the line to Milton Keynes and call it a day which is a wasted opportunity IMO.

 

Sorry but how exactly does a train skip a buffer stop terminal?

 

But if the Avanti services are the focus, and the next logical point for a lot of their services to end, its not worth it.

 

They skip a lot of stations after Euston.

 

It's not really that doable. It's 37 stations, two huge urban areas to, 112 miles, and the factor of the collosal timetable (and subsequent performance drain, especially at Euston) would make it a collosal undertaking.

Unless they've been working on this since TSW5 came out - and Goblin was just a quick break from it to make some cash and get the 710 in for the Watford DC services - then I don't see it happening, even if the Bakerloo + BNS sections are done.

 

U think there would be Acton to Wembley services simulated?

 

No they don't

 

A lot of services miss Watford Junction and Milton Keynes. So there would be a large amount of AI only services if that's the scope of the route (and anything further is too long in TSW terms).

 

It would be a similar case for Rugby (via Northampton or not) further up the line.

On the way north up the WCML (excluding the Birmingham Loop) I think Warrington Bank Quay is the first station where all possible Avanti services call..

 

Question is. Can TSW 4 handle a 113 mile route? Or is this for another build of TSW like TSW5 in the future? If WCML South comes out for TSW. I would welcome a Class 90 and a Mk3 pack in LSL Intercity livery for rail tours besides the Pendolino and the Voyagers. If so, can we see the Bakerloo stock, London Overground stock and Class 66 on freights all being utilised without crashing the game?

 

I thought you were on about trains going THROUGH Euston Station... you didn't make it very clear

 

Tsw definitely can't handle a 100+ route with loads of built up areas and a ridiculous amount of stations, and before you moan kassel wurzburg was a exception and is a awful route

 

I honestly do not remember saying/typing this but it would be nice to see a section of WCML that is in the countryside like (for example) - Rugby to Manchester Picc via Stafford & Crewe (which would include Locomotive Services Limited's main depot at Crewe) or Crewe to Carlisle (which would include WCRC's main depot at Carnforth)

 

I'd have thought common sense would tell you otherwise.

 

I thought as much. Thanks for clarifying.

Yes, Euston is the southmost end terminus of the WCML and that kind of reminds here when I went to Portrush one time by train from Coleraine and a passenger asked the guard if the train stops at Portrush (a seaside town here) and he said to them. I hope so otherwise its a dunk in the ocean! We all burst out laughing.

 

It can, it’s just that Gen 8 can’t run a route that long because of how big the timetable is

 

No it really can't,ESPECIALLY NOT with DTGS own lack of persistence when it comes to route making they neve go the extra mile and it's a proven fact

 

Brother GEN 8 can literally run the whole world simulated with each individual flight. It’s not about gen 8 not being able to run the route, it just can’t run a timetable like the WCML because of how much AI is spawned in at one time in close proximity

 

Did u also not read me mentioning how DTG will VERY rarely make a route terminate, its pretty obvious the length of the wcml...

 

Actually, a few routes have terminating points. The terminus of a route doesn't need buffers at the end.

 

Well it’s not because consoles can’t handle it, it’s because of dev time

 

And because of consoles, my old series s didn't get above 30 fps on the ECML route and that's 80 miles so I don't get how u think a console will handle any higher route coverage... especially that most people are on old gen consoles

 

The ecml is solid proof that they don't like terminating routes, they could have included York or instead of the Doncaster - Peterborough section they done the section from Peterborough - King's Cross

 

You know there is a lower setting on the series s to ensure smooth running, and also most people aren’t on gen 8 lol, mainly gen 9 now. However there is a bit of gen 8 users which, frankly they should have been able to get a gen 9 by now since we are essentially mid gen

 

They could have done York, yes, but it would just be a boring drive up there. Peterborough at least is a crew change point.

 

Would have been a hell of alot more exciting than the current offer, I don't care about crew changes I want a route where I can terminate get out, walk to the other end and go back the other way

 

Would Birmingham to Manchester be too long? Maybe that could be extended upon in the future?