Upcoming Release Db Br 101 ‘expert’ - Coming Soon!

Usually new DLCs are first day purchases for me besides US content. I was really looking forward to this DLC as it sounds interesting and quite something new to what we usually get in this game. The price for me was quite shocking as well even though I could afford it if I want to. I understand that there goes a lot of work and redefining physics in such a loco but for the full price of a new route? Don't think so to be honest. Anyways I am looking forward to the stream tonight and to YouTube videos when it is released. I am curious how it will work, what it will offer and what else they have to say in tonights stream. I guess in the end I will buy it in a sale I am just not willing to pay that much for a loco dlc. My mood is between excitement and disappointment right now maybe it will change after the stream.

 

Took a little read of the article for you and found this....


For this release, TSG team have dialled up realism and accuracy to the maximum along with the challenge of operating this locomotive in very fine detail. The cab comes in two variants: MFD and MFA, and features fully operational interactive screens to control and alter a myriad of options and settings for different aspects of operation. All of the screens and subscreens display information as they would in reality.
Additional tasks that the player can undertake go well beyond those available in a standard Train Sim World locomotive. These include:
An extensive fault simulation, with fault clearing required in order to keep the train moving.
Realistic door operation with TB0 and SSTF door control systems
Real train data input (PZB / LZB Data entry)
GSM-R simulation, down to individual cell towers
A Machine Room (Engine Room) modelled which players can enter
The Machine Room includes all breakers and valves that players can interact with and is important for both start-up procedures and fault finding, so you may find yourself spending quite a bit of time here preparing and maintaining the locomotive in operation!
Fault Finding

The fault-finding aspect to this release is unique among Train Sim World content. Quite often, faults are included in pre-prepared Scenarios, where players are required to act around them, using a set of instructions in game.
A series of Scenarios and Tutorials will be able to guide the player through the fault-finding process, which includes having to read and use the interactive fault-finding screens, that correctly display the faulty component. This can range from traction motors failing, to PZB failures or even a cascade of failures if certain systems start to blow out others.
A Manual will also be provided to assist players with this process and certain elements will require reading before embarking on services.
LZB / PZB Input

Developer and member of the TSG team Lukas explained this feature in our June Roadmap:
“This feature requires entering Max Speed and Brake Rate values to simulate PZB/LZB on a higher level. The Brake Rate is calculated through the train’s maximum weight and describes its braking performance in the current configuration, considering current available systems. The ZDE Panel then sets the PZB mode from these values. There is no switch as in the previous BR 101”.
The result of all of these additional features and complexities is that this locomotive will be an exciting, but rigorous challenge even for those who are very experienced with Train Sim World content and German locomotives currently in the game.
This idea of an ‘Expert’ loco may be familiar to those who participated in our TSW Player Survey earlier this year. Currently we don’t have any others planned, but we’re excited to hear your thoughts and feedback, so please let us know if this is something you’d like to see more of!
Locomotive Improvements

In addition to the work done to make the locomotive super realistic to operate, many other improvements have been made over the initial BR 101 release. These include:
Sound improvements, utilising new sound recordings and upgrading older capture
Newly refined physics



As for the point of it?

I guess thats for you to decide whether you want an existing, or a deeper, more sim like experience.

Hope this helps

 

Hmm what I will do is try it in expert mode for one day. The next day just keep it on normal mode. I don’t want to over do my brain cell.

 

So with the exception of those who get it for free (ambassadors and whatever beta testers are left) what percentage of the community are actually going to buy it?

 

Just that its said already as i saw it got extremely misunderstood:
The 101 Expert will substitute in _all_ existing 101 "classic" Timetables. The two specifically named ones are including Cabcar rides. So yeah, u can just drive it on any timetable.
(At least those where DTG enabled substitutions.)

 

Its the same, but perhaps Dovetail didnt set the price and maybe TSG have set the price.
Regarding the steam physics yes they did say they were working on them and then they have said that they cant get them to work correctly in TSW to the point that they are better than what they are now as compared to TSC.
And onto multiplayer. This was one of the aspirations that they wanted to bring to TSW , an aspiration. Thats all it was. You cannot intorduce multiplayer into a game that was not developed with multiplayer in mind, even though it was on the "wish list" to do. I am not going to get into an argument about the the stuff that dovetail said. The reasoning is out there on the forum go and look it up if you have the time. Last I heard there was a suspension update next week.

As per the pricing I think perhaps a wee bit cheaper, I can also understand about the cab car and why some people are annoyed it's behind a "paywall" but Dovetail didnt want to create one and TSG also saw the opportunity to create one for their version of the 101.

I still stand by what I said. If you want a challenge and added playability then go for it. If you think the price is a bit steep then dont buy it.

Hentis

 

clear.

If a buy someting around 36€ i want to use it a long time and not only on free roam, a "feature" which i never use.

 

My personal view is that DTG are very much in the driving seat as regards the pricing. We don’t know what discussions went on behind the scenes and there are several different scenarios that might have ensued. TSG might have said, let’s go for £22 but DTG went, nah let’s really test the water and squeeze the pips on this - £30. Or, DTG might have said, okay £10 extra than a normal DLC, we will sell it for £22 at which point TSG told them to go forth and multiply - £30 or the project goes in the bin along with the 420 (god knows how much that will cost) and the 232. However with the control DTG keep on TSW payware, I’m tempted to think the first option prevailed rather than TSG chucking the teddy bear.

However the bottom line remains, 95% of the people who drive the 101 regularly in TSW already are probably content to wait for a sale.

 

I think LFR is set before 1996, but im sure there was a transition era.

 

What apparently many forget is that there is not only a locomotive and a control car, but there are 3 different variants

The control car will come with 2 different versions

Old dashboard and new

The 101 is completely overworked and fully operable just like the control car

 

It is & I can approach this DLC perfectly fine with the idea that it’s £15 for the 101 & £15 for the cabcar.

As people have pointed out though, locking the cabcar into a £30 package is off putting, to put it nicely.

For me the biggest roadblock is A) this pack comes with very little gameplay opportunities & B) the prospect of future timetable use is bleak.

This premium price is also unlikely to come with premium service, if there are bugs on release are those going to get priority fixes? Or is it more likely it’ll be handled the way every other DLC is.

As someone else mentioned, Pro Range add ons need to be reworks of existing products & not used as a way to price out a userbase, from rolling stock that arguably should have been included in the original packs release.

 

So sad

I also play on Console but we have that feature where you press RB+Left arrow. With that it’s a bit easier.

 

After the whole work that TSG had done I can understand the price but I prefer this DLC came with more route where substitute for. This is my only disappointment.

I really interested in this trainset but, after read where's it can be use, I'm not shure to keep it unless a discount price.
Maybe the stream tonight can change my mind!

 

Multiplayer was never an aspiration. It was literally an advertised feature in the early days of TSW before they went silent about it and then ultimately saying it would never come. I know why it didn't come, but that doesn't change the facts. Given the amount of false statements and promises they say, it can be hard to take them seriously

 

I understand your point of view, but there is a lot of work in it

There are not only 3-4 new variants, but also a completely new scope
-Sounds (new)
-Physik (new)
-Disturbances
-cab car 2 version
-101 2 version white and red

 

As I said, not disputing the work & id never doubt the efforts of TSG, but they let this pack down on the gameplay (something that would be nice to see all that work) & then there’s just the caveats of any other TSW content, which will no doubt apply to this all the same.

Also I may have just missed it, but pretty sure this yet another release that still doesn’t have suspension. A feature that was supposedly going to be standard & now it’s not even included in a loco pack at £30.

 

The 101 is the Huge Problem in the Price.
It want only be okay if we got the 120 plus Steuerwagen for this, because Both are new Trains

 

2 liveries that are available in the creators club and there was a enhancement pack that pc players could get for free which added a bunch of new liveries to the 101.

Just saying...

 

Where did you find anything about two cab car versions? Definitely didn't find that in the article

 

no buy

 

I will just add three points to the discussion.

1. Someone said earlier, that it will better than the horrible 101 in TSC. Maik Goltz actually built the 101 Expert Line in TSC and it´s very decent. Yes, I´m aware that the 101 in TSW might be more impressive. I did not quote the person, because I can´t be bothered with endless discussion.

2. The 101 with Intercity cars and cabcar is currently disappearing from the German network. It´s basicly old news.

3. Many want to wait for a sale. What sale? Remember how long it was until Niddertalbahn was on sale? Over a year? TSG products don´t go on sale for ages and when they do, only with a small discount of 10 or 20 percent.

 

They seem to disappear as soon as they're asked to pay more for more product.
The only issue I can see with it is that it is so limited in routes. It should simply layer wherever the other 101 layers in.
That seems like a minimum requirement if it's "replacing" the original simple version.
The train itself sounds like exactly what the "experts" have been begging for. It's detailed to a fault (literally) and has the cab car people want (also to that higher level of detail)
The limited usage is all that stands out to me.
I've paid as much (usually more) for DLC in other games that was enjoyable enough to make it worth it.
As I said in the other thread, it's down to if it's worth it to EACH PERSON since we're all different and value things differently.
Including the people who designed it and want to buy groceries.

 

It’s on gemran
Felix Say it

 

And the problem is console players do not have the enhancement pack and also no access to it. What a pity

Sure, that's not a good reason, but for the work that has been done on this model, I personally think it's okay

Even if I had a mild heart attack when I saw the price

 

https://live.dovetailgames.com/live/train-sim-world/articles/article/db-br-101-expert-coming-soon

 

But that's in regards to the 101 cab, not the cab CAR.

 

There is a manual

 

Well, that was my mistake. I read it wrong, but that doesn't change the situation that we have several variants.

-101 red
-101 white
-cab car
-101 old dash
-101 new dash
-new sound
-new Physic
-system fault
- more Realismus

 

I'm really looking forward to the stream tonight. I want to see this in action and if I really can trust the product before I buy. Given beeing a little burned in the past, I will also wait some days and some early reviews.
But, this is exactly what I want. If I'm in the mood for a "real" experience, like fx a PMDG Airbus, this will likely be the thing for TSW. Man I hope there are plenty of occaisons that I have to go into the engine room, a little frustrated why the loco is not going anywhere. Yes yes yes I want that - so pretty please with cream and cherry on top, please be at least good!

 

Why do you written this?! Thats not correct! The 101 it self will not sub in on Köln Aachen and Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr so before you written such things check youre story!

Edit i forgot
Hauptstrecke: Hamburg-Lübeck is not inlcuded!

Source:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/br101-expert-some-clarification.83254/

 

Sorry this have nothing to do with more realism....
This kind of dlc are not for the large amount of users! The problem is that they choose to create one of the most request trains, the cabcar and put it away behind a paywall, Extreme paywall and offer the change to say i will only the cabcar but they make advertisement to you can turn it of the expert mode... Why you should not build a non expert version.... It seems like they try to bump the selling of this addon in a very shady manor! Otherwise they already know there is not a big selling group...

 

The very first attempt to become DCS, which is good in my opinion, in some limited manner. I am curious about the showcase. I want to pay for improved rolling stock rather than new routes. Just an opinion. BR

go go go TSG

 

Looking forward to getting this next Thursday £20 would be more suitable though.

 

For sure buy it if you have love to this kind of products! TSG is the best German product creator nothing negative about them

 

DTG Alex Is this product already in a state to release next week?! Maybe you have to delay this also!

 

Given this preview was already delayed, I expect we weren’t going to be shown a complete build then.

This is my point with addons being over twice the cost for a ‘pro’ version, they’re still trapped within the confines of what TSW really is.

I’d like to say you couldn’t make this up, but it’s entirely predictable.

 

A year isn't that long in the grand scheme of things. I'm waiting for my status in a new country for 2 years now, then will wait for citizenship for about the same period of time.

 

Sure, the price is high. Its the price of a route for a loco. But in my opinion this loco is not comparable with the previous ones. Yet alone the expert features justify a (the) higher price. I'll get it.

 

Unfortunately, the stream is going to be postponed until tomorrow.

 

And no input from the real driver because of that as well... What a shame.

 

DTG is a joke in Streaming without any issues

 

Jesus DTG get your LOVE together.

 

How about we get at least a short preview video like the one for the Br218?

 

I would like to think they have taken a 24 hour timeout to review the price.

Also might just be my tinfoil hat creaking but suddenly due to the postponement the "expert" driver will not be available to assist with the presentation.

Even if I was prepared to pay the asking price (which I'm not) a few little alarm bells starting to resonate now and definitely think caveat emptor starts to apply, not least with TSW5 just around the corner and this suddenly rushed to market.

 

The biggest pity is that we won’t see real life 101 driver in tommorow stream, that would have added brand new value to whole thing, to hear informations about real thing and the comparison to virtual one. This is not ordinary DLC, this is for real train enthusiants interested in in-depth simulation, this real life lokführer participation could have add big value to whole DLC.

One more interesting thing, original stream was scheduled a few days ago.. and two hours before delayed stream they do realize that they can’t update DLC to actual version they want to show us? And rather than trying to fix it in two hours till the stream starts to show us the thing with real life driver, or at least the non-updated version with explanation what’s still WIP and going to be changed, they delay it for another day - when the lokführer can’t participate, with no promise of trying to make another stream with him. Just release it, hear the cashflow and forget anything before I suppose..

 

One would assume that for a train driver, driving actual real life trains takes priority over doing so in TSW.

 

Then maybe the stream should have been re-arranged around his availability?

 

There are just five work days left until release - there might simply not have been a date that worked with their (these days men actually aren't the only ones allowed to drive trains anymore) schedule.

 

Which product already has been in a state to release ? Are you new ?