For me personally I would go with: UK Any steam loco (not likely) Class 37 ROG + Class 375 Class 43 + Mk 3 coaches Class 66 + RHTT wagons Class 395 72 Stock USA Santa Fe F7 + some appropriate passenger coaches SW1000R + Metroliner coaches + cab car MP15DC Germany BR 218 + n-Wagens + cab car BR 363 BR 193 Vectron (Dual Mode) BR 110 + n-Wagens + cab car
I'd go for the Vectron. It is the closest that we have to an expert level loco to date in my eyes. It's very close, just needs that extra push, which is alot easier said than done in fairness. But I'd rather see other Vectron variations in the game. The DB and SBB versions for existing routes.
Just realised OP said existing but who cares, I would pay 100 dollars for an expert version on unreleased trains then any preexisting ones. Like I know if matt#4801 wanted a non-preexisting expert version of a train it would be a Br class 55 and a Br class 46 over any other train any time. So maybe it should be expert version of trains for the game rather than them being prexisting.
I made the same mistake as you at first and these were the first two I had on my list, followed by a V2!
Never going to happen but definitely the ACS-64 and one of the Gevo units. For German stuff, I’d have to say any of the older German electrics. 110, 103, even 111 tbh.
I don’t get this expert thing. It’s a train simulator. Shouldn’t all locos have proper and true functionality? What am I missing besides the fact I am paying for the same loco but with everything that should have been anyway?
TSW is more of a mass market casual accessable simulator than a specialist simulator. Otherwise it just wouldn't sell or make money at any commercial scale. There is a niche market demographic that want more and thus have to pay the premium for being that niche to make it somewhat commercially viable.
I get your logic but this is common practice in plane simulators as well. Expert/study level is a niche within a niche, if you will. Most players want some level of simulation with enough simplicity to be able to get going without a manual/extensive training.
Agree. If we are not careful, “expert” will reduce the standard offering to stop/go tablet style train game complexity. I do not want to pay £30 to get a few extra buttons to press, particularly on older locos where electronics and MFD’s etc. didn’t exist.
Id like the class 158 but for the price. There would need to be many variations like in the AP pack for TSC. Fully functional feature set aswell.
I understand and probably didn't explain myself really well. I am afraid that if I play this, I just would never want to go back to doing the other locos. Every loco moving forward should have a normal mode similar to what they are all now, and expert mode especially with the option in the menu now. Will DTG release routes and locos with non working screens in the future, yes but why not put more time and development in and release things like this. If it means only getting like 2x routes and locos per year but with fully working features like this then I'm sure a lot of people would be happy. I understand the time and effort in this and just makes me realise that all other locos and routes are just cash grabs. My wishlist which would never happen: It would be nice for a Train Sim World Professional UE5 version with photorealism and be more of sim, where all locos have this expert functionality and even have routes provide proper random issues within the locomotive and even outside the locomotive. I wouldn't care if all my previous DLCs don't work, I would treat this like a entire new product.
Here is a thread to support Baureihe 294 Expert mode (Dual mode Vectron) with reasons why the next expert DLC should be this. https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/expert-db-br-249-vectron-dual-mode.82458/
I would like a nice expert verson of the BR 101 The German one, not that weird English thing that's coming out soon
I’m not particularly feeling the need for expert level simulation myself. I like having a bit of a procedure to follow at the start of a service, setting the lights and safety systems and other systems like AFB on German trains etc, and I want a realistic response to control inputs and accurate physics, but I don’t crave full functions of every switch or complicated error simulation and troubleshooting. I don’t crave having to spend the amount of money such complex systems require to develop either. I get why some other people want this kind of content though. I think the difficulties of having two versions of any content in TSW with the way substitutions and layers work would be tricky to navigate for any expert versions of existing trains that may come to TSW. They may not coexist easily and owners of either or both would ideally like full use of what they own. For that reason alone I’m not really that fussed about any expert versions of things I already own coming. If a certain train that may not be possible to make with a standard dev budget came along as an expert only release then I would consider buying it though.
This is an easy one, assuming an expert version includes upgraded sounds (and I believe the DB 101 does), then a Class 37, pulling that power handle back would never get boring. Also a Valenta powered HST for the same reason. While I love the thought of more expert level locos for the added realism; I would also be happy to pay a small premium for upgraded sounds, something which I believe Armstrong Powerhouse offers on Train Sim Classic?
Here to say, looking at the suggested variants, the 101 has a very healthy mix of the complexity between electric and pneumatic / mechanical systems (+faults), and is a perfect dlc as premiere of the new expert line. Its a different story compared to the 101, to make a cl.37 or a Multisystem Vectron on a expert level grade. Good luck to recreate all the country specific configurations on a Vectron or Traxx. This complexity + effort is growing exponential. Siemens Manuals just of the basic system description is usually about 2000 pages+. (Different electric braking restrictions for each selected country, different voltage systems, some countries use the hazard light, others dont..., or what about the safety systems of countires not supported in TSW yet?) So whatever loco it migh be considered next, i think the choice has to made very carefully to not end up in a fullscale nightmare with loss of quality or even abandon the project.
From scratch: EMD AEM7 GE P42DC BR 220 (M62) BR 232 (ТЭ109) Class 73 Class 86/87 From existing: EMD F7 ICE1 Class 37 From 'it will never happened' UP GTEL Skoda ЧС7 (82E)
Love many of the recommendations here! However, I just want to put in a plug for an expert Javelin. I love driving this loco! Imagine the challenge of expert mode dealing with two different power sources and safety systems.
I know its not explicitly stated, but I'd say it is already an expert loco. Nothing more expert on a modern loco than changing power supply.
How about a Class 769. Converted from 319s and can run on diesel, electric and battery. I know it's not currently in TSW, but for the future maybe?
we need a expert freight loco something like AC4400CW Expert edit: my previous suggestion is still valid
I'm seeing some suggestions for British locomotives and units but I'm wondering how much further can they take them? We have representations of fueling and battery isolations already albeit not on every locomotive. But in reality when taking over a service these aren't things you would interact with often. Only perhaps on the depot runs and then it's likely a depot staff member would have already prepped it. There is of course the TMS computer in modern units but it there isn't much for a driver to do on them aside from select doors, select destination and viewing faults. There's the GSMR which is turned on and registered and that's really as much as you are going to do with it in game. I'm wondering if what people really want is a bit of a sound/timetable pack with some upgrades for dated DLC? I'm up for that too. Particularly with some of the older BR diesels remaining as some of the best DLC we have in their old state. Imagine them with sound upgrades and new timetables.
I quite like the TGV suggestion. If by the grace of God DTG *somehow* managed to secure a Eurostar License I'd love to see an expert C373/E300. Not too sure about the HST though, I could only really see the implementation of ATP but beyond that what is there to do with the HST? Maybe a good start-up and some GMSR/CSR work or even a new start-up procedure but beyond that I don't think much could be done. Happy to be corrected. ICE would be good too.
I was looking at it from a commercial aspect so I thought any of the UK HST would do. Do they differ so much from TGV and ICE that there is no expert value in them?
Existing ones: ICE3 ICE1 Br110 Br185 Br193 Br425 Stadler Flirt Allegra Ge4/4 II Non existing ones: BLS Re425 SBB Re460 Ge4/4 III Br152
Giving this some thought, I think I would like to see an expert SD70ACe. Although I enjoy SMH, some of the longer runs could use a little diversification. Hopefully the upgrade could carry over to the CJP version as well and fix some issues with sound and dynamic brakes. One issue could be the heavier trains that are difficult to restart on a grade (probably originally intended for Track 3). It wouldn't be that great to recover from a fault only to find that the train is now too heavy to move.
I guess it's up to every individual's interpretation. For me, I'm not too sure - if we were getting a comprehensive set of HSTs like the upcoming AP HST pack (supposedly covering all 3 engines and different eras) then I would lean more towards yes, otherwise (for me) I'd say no. However thinking about it expert mode does include faults and what-not - something I did not think of in my first reply.
So why the Br 120?: - 100% compatible with the Br101 in their MU control - the ic consists collection is rather complete, the 120 would fill the last gap here - similar systems to the 101, so the expert line scope is realistic. For sure easier than a multi system / multi country functional vectron or euro Dual - ic coaches already existent, so maybe its time for the bord restaurant coach - cab car compatible - a lot of routes to run ic services
Honestly this would probably provide a massive boost to the playability of US freight. Probably as much so as anything else in the game. But I’m almost 100% certain it can’t happen due to lack of access. Therefore I think DB looks to be our best bet because they have the combination of access and stock that would benefit.
