Info Br101 Expert: Some Clarification

Yeah thats exactly why i dindt mentioning about that... By release there is no DE manual. DTG is not really reliable on such promising announcements

 

Also did it. Hope it was worth the money, I’ll see on Thursday ​

 

You have a risk that the manual will changed and you have to print it again.....

 

For those who wonder about the brake calculation and brakeforce on the technical side:

R+E160 has a higher value than R+E, but is actually not a "stronger" brake cylinder force happening on the loco.
Its the factor, from which the loco is getting braked by the high amount of BRH of the ic coaches.

Same with the P and P2 on the Br218. P2 isnt braking with a stronger brake cylinder pressure, instead its just a time based factor. This means the P2 is higher because the brakeforce is building up faster.

Technically its the same with the Red R brake force on the coaches, which shows a higher value than the "R".
The "Schnellbrems Beschleuniger" isnt producing a higher brake force, its the exact same pressure than in R.
So also here the timebased factor causes the "higher value" for the calculation. With the actuator the bakepipe gets vented instant on every coach as a chain, instead through the 1 exit on the loco FBV.

 

I dont understand how can somebody be so s…. selfish to waste hundreds of A4 paper pages just to print something that you can have in your smartphone/notebook and easily find faults in it via “ctrl+f” and glorifies themself posting pictures here.

 

Its not the smartest choice.... This product isnt out and there will come an update with new additions so if you wish to print wait a few months than are the most things correct or add to the product but now take a print is a little to early

 

So? Why do I have for school tens of books with more than hundreds of pages? I can CTRL+F my teacher. Clearly a waste of paper…

 

Don’t derail the thread please. It is meant to inform people about important facts regarding the DLC, not to debate printing

 

Incredible, already the 3rd pintout I see.

The sad thing is, we have at least 2 changes planned to the manual for the release, minor, as in not in the faults page for example, but still.
- Clarifying the substitution of services with the legacy BR101.
- Adding one ZDE panel at the first paragraph of the ZDE chapter for better clarity.

 

Its a little to early i think. The developers self give the advice to wait a bit. The change that the manual get changed is very high and the example with a book is a little Strange if you asking me. Thats a finalized product!

 

There are actually still people who like printed products, i.e. books! It may be hard for some to imagine, but they do exist.

I feel the same way, for example I don't like Lego instructions as PDFs, I prefer to leaf through the pages in real life. Just because someone has a different preference, you can hardly call them selfish.

However, I doubt whether it was a wise choice to print out so many pages now, especially since there will be changes anyway. After all, we all know DTG.

 

Important announcement regarding the manual:

There are couple of changes to be expected for release, these are:

• The Timetable subchapter will have more accurate information as to the subtitutions. We have been made aware that only some routes can have subtitution with the BR101 at least for now, and these are: Kassel - Würzburg, Bremen - Oldenburg and Dresden - Chemnitz. If any of this changes, I'm sure you'll be well informed when that happens.
• It has been brought to out attention that the introduction of the ZDE chapter can be a bit confusing as the first screenshot in that chapter is that of an EBuLa screen. As such, we have added a screenshot of where the panel is located in the BR101 (MFA). It is a bit wide and included one page break, bringing the total to 144 instead of 143.
• From page top, the top right of the manual will include its current version. Release version will be called "Version 1.0". For all of those who have already printed the manual, many apologies x') but you are now the proud owners of the now secret Version 0.0.

 

I can just print it out and replace a few pages (atleast hopefully)

 

Do I need the original 101 DLC to be able to drive with the expert 101 on Kassel - Würzburg, Bremen - Oldenburg and Dresden - Chemnitz?

 

oooh, so also some LZB action with this, nice

would be helpful, yeah

 

I can still change the pages by taking them out and putting a new one In.

 

So, for KWG and the passenger services on BRO: Yes, because you need the original IC carriages that come with the legacy BR101.
For the rest of BRO and DCZ: No, because you can play without the freight services solely with the BR101 Expert.

 

Coaches do not substitute in the game (unfortunately, it is a quite heavily requested feature so maybe it will change some day, but right now this is not supported in core, as far as I understand it), so to use the BR101 Expert on services that have IC coaches you need to keep the original BR101 DLC installed.

 

Oops, looks like someone had a bad day here. Hope you feel better now

 

Great manual Raph' for those who loves documentation like me it's a really nice gift thank you. Will probably print it too when it is out.

Quick question if it wasn't already answered. What would be a realistic chaos factor? 1x?

 

Yes. That's based on driver reports.

When it was introduced in 1996, it was plagued by faults. Probably corresponding to 50x

 

Hey everyone,

First of all, many thanks for the manual.
One of the special features is the emergency brake that can be operated in the wagons.
Now I have the question of how to pull the emergency brake and operate the NBü when sitting on the Br 101, for example.

 

Unless the revision cause a repagination...

 

So on Linke Rheinstrecke then....?

 

I dont get why it is such a bad thing to print out stuff sometimes... especially if you have the opportunity, you can print this manual double-sidedly, so you only "waste" up to like 75 sheets of paper, 80 at max

 

Yep.

 

No, because the 101 was introduced in 1996 and the cab car too (I think)

 

I believe Lukas said in the stream that the standard setting of 1x is the realistic one

 

See the picture on the manual page 61, the fault manager says:
"A Chaos Factor of 1 simulates realistic probabilities for random faults to occur".

 

But I guess something about 10x would be suitable for TSW (realistic driving means full time job, driving 8-12hours a day. Most players will play 1 or 2 runs by day maybe, so to get some faults they gonna need to increase it) what is your opinion on this?

 

personally I would put it on x5 if x1 is barely giving any. faults occur but also in real life if you only drive half an hour from dresden to riesa it's totally normal to have that without any faults. I am definetely interested to see how the timetable acts upon delays due to the "DB factor" in expert machines.

 

Is the fault frequency setting persisted, or do I have to set it every run?

 

Currently (at release) all settings on the St page are non-persistent between play sessions. Making the settings on that page (at least the Chaos Factor, and maybe some other settings that have yet to be implemented) saved to disk is something we want to investigate, but I can't tell when/if that is realized.

Regarding what to set the Chaos Factor at, I would recommend starting out with the default value for a while. The locomotive and the cab car are quite complex even without faults occurring all the time
If, after a while you feel you want more of a challenge, increase it slowly. I would say up to 5 is where it is still somewhat realistic, and then reaching 10 it's no longer realistic (or maybe you could argue it simulates a loco on it's last legs, but of course in real life certain components, like traction motors, wear out faster than other components so a worn out locomotive won't have everything uniformly more likely to fail) but would be reasonable if you want somewhat regular faults.

Getting closer to 100, that is totally unrealistic and basically a fault fixing simulation (except faults are not always fixable...) rather than a real locomotive, but some may find that fun

 

You'd need the loco to have its own .ini file in the Documents folder, probably needing to change the core for doing so I presume (implementation into game settings which allow ini export / file IO). Not sure if UE allows any bytecode scripts to have write access to your system.

As I'll enjoy flipping switches and setting up stuff, saving a config (with very few values) is not something I'd need.

 

That's what I thought as well initially, but UE supports this already from what I understand. You can have different save game files (tagged differently), which means that settings could be saved even for console users. I should be clear that I'm not 100% certain it works like this or whether there are issues with such an implementation, yet.

 

I have added the ÖBB Taurus (1116) in the list of locomotives that are compatible with the cab car. Note that the formation needs to be all IC Expert coaches or traction control will not work.

 

Maybe one of the community people could set up a pinned errata thread, to keep changes like this as visible as possible.

 

I take it the DB 182 is not compatible at it is an older build TSW wise.
Are the 2 the ES64 U2 in TSW compatible?

 

Just seen in a preview that rain droplets are not simulated on the cab car in the initial release. I am assuming that this will be corrected in an upcoming patch, right?!

 

Maddy said she noted the bug. I'm sure this will be fixed soon.

 

Okay i have seen a few YT videos/streams and its for me very clear that here the difference is showing who has feeling with railway and who's not... I have watched (link below) this video and i was shocked by the way he used the train... This guy has in the cabcar a failure and he looks never at the display above and pressed nearly all buttons and have zero knowledge what he is doing... I'm shocked that he clearly makes no afford to check the manual before and shows such trash and think its legit to upload it.... I will never attack somebody in person but if you are a youtuber that get a key from DTG and you do such things i can only asking "why" and "who"?!

So to all: Read the manual before you do anything or touched the loco or cabcar



Matin_TSP Very nice stream and i love the way how you and Maddy makes the stream to a great succes!!

 

Thanks, just seen the part in your stream. I have noticed this core issue in the past (I believe on the n-Wagen), without realizing it is a core issue. Sounds like DTG needs to get things in order first...

 

they should postpone release and fix this

 

That is the plan, tomorrow I will set up a thread. I was just asked to do it after release just to be sure.

 

It's releasing really soon so they couldn't delay it. It's a minor issue at the end of the day

 

I hope there's a post-release patch very soon, pay $39,99 to have a stupid bug like that is a shame

 

You don't have to buy it if that little bug annoys you that much.

 

Do they mentioned workable suspension update for Expert Baureihe 101 loco, vagons and steuerwagen? I possibly missed this information.

 

Do you actually have some kind of agreement with DTG that this is one special product that is going to have a constant support and extensions of features in the future? Because otherwise I severely doubt they will let you tinker around this one for as much as is promised in all these threads, when you can instead be working on a new product rather than one that people already paid for.

 

There is no agreement needed afaik. It's up to the 3rd party itself to guarantee support for their product.