DTG Matt just replied in the “Expert BR 101 high sales” thread and asked if we could choose one Train/Loco to be developed as expert, which one would it be and why? Since I couldn’t find any discussion thread I thought I’ll create one. (If I overlooked one please post the link and close this one) My #1 pick by far would be the ÖBB Railjet. 1. The Railjet is on Top of my (and many others) Wishlist. 2. It would layer on many current (Vorarlberg, Semmering, Salzburg-Rosenheim, München-Augsburg) and almost any possible future austrain content) 3. An Expert Railjet would also mean an expert ÖBB 1116 that could substitute the “standard” one currently in the game for Freight, IC, EC and also possible future commuter trains (the 1116 is hauling most austrian commuter services that aren’t run by EMUs, i.e. Cityshuttle and Wiesel Dostos in Vienna) 4. Me personally I’ve invested most my time into austrian/german content, so I’m confident i can handle these trains. I might be able to handle a British expert train, but I wouldn’t dare to try an US Expert What do you think? What would be your #1 pick?
My top choice would probably be a Union Pacific Big Boy, but for locos they might realistically consider doing I would narrow down my choices to: (UK) Class 91 + Mk4 + DVT: It is probably one of the most iconic UK trains, and it is very unlikely we would get that many unique vehicles at the standard loco DLC price. Charging expert level prices would probably be the only way it makes financial sense to make. It would probably be a similar level of work as the BR 101 + IC coaches + Steuerwagen. (UK) Class 37 ROG or Class 88: I think it would be fun to have an expert level diesel and freight locomotive, in contrast to the electric and mainly passenger oriented BR 101. I find it hard to choose between the Class 37 ROG (I would like an expert level loco with coupler adapters) or the Class 88 (having an expert bi-level loco would be interesting). (USA) F7 + some appropriate passenger coaches: I think it would be interesting to see the engine room of an older locomotive. It would also probably be easier to get access to an F7 than a modern freight loco. (DE) BR 218 + n-Wagens + cab car: Same reason as the others, I want to see an expert level diesel locomotive. My number 1 choice is the Class 91, since I feel that would give the most value for money. What I be less interested in is an electric multiple unit. Since they don't have engine rooms I don't really see the point of having an expert version, I personally wouldn't consider a detailed computer system to be enough reason to buy one. I would make an exception for either a Eurostar, or a Class 375/395 (just because they are local to me and they are the trains I see most often)
for german content: 218 and cab car, öbb railjet 1116 and 1116 styled cab car for US content: some freight loco something like AC4400CW Expert
It probably wont be the most popular answer, given the amount of times this loco has been suggested. But GE's P42DC for Amtrak Long Distance trains, mainly the Southwest Chief for Cajon Pass. Now why did I suggest this instead of an existing locomotive? Well for 1, it would help fix the one issues this locomotive and cars have been excluded from TSW (Per Matt) for reason, and that is lack of services, but if the locomotive had more going for it, especially random issues or faults, then it would at least make the 2 runs a day a bit interesting due to unpredictability if you get any issues (Weather with the locomotives or the Superliner themselves) The equipment itself would be higher quality as well, including the Superliner I's and II's Amtrak currently uses. Having it as an expert loco DLC also means that if we ever get Amtrak's LA yard or Chicago's yard in TSW, as it wouldn't drain DTG's resources in the typical route making process and would layer in on the spot, which would add in more uses for it there in the yard with cold starts.
I'd like Rivet Games to make an expert loco. We'd have to fix all the faults that they couldn't be bothered to.
I'd like the Vectron be developed further. Which variant to pursue is another question. Next on my list would be the 1116 and possibly the Railjet in the future. Ice 3 Neo or Ice 4 would be good.
I don’t really have a pick for an expert train but there are features that were shown off on the 101 that I think should become standard for all trains going forward. -Engine rooms -Foggy windows -Operable GSMR (maybe not to the same level of detail)
I’d like to see the BR187 in expert mode, this locomotive was butchered by Skyhook and is still currently, unplayable, at least for console users.
As much as my heart really would like to the class 45 expert I think something like a 37 or 47 would be better as a different subclass could be brought in. Saying that a 45/0 expert with working steam heat, nicely detailed engine room and a misty window would be an experience on a cold winter morning along PFR. Then of course would be just as nice in blue on a rake of Blue/Grey MKIs across the Pennines or on a Summer Saturday to Blackpool. Many 45/0s ended up on the steel workings we have on TVL in their later days as well. The 45/0 has a lot more potential than first thought. Forget my first statement, the peaks are the way to go before any 37 or 47!
The Class 91 and MK4 DVT would make the most sense imo as the next Expert Level DLC, the devs obviously have to make multiple cabs with the IC225, and not to mention it'll be brand new to the game and additionally a great starting point for UK expert locomotives
No specific request but I lean towards something actually having the tech onboard to showcase the complexity. A Class 08 diesel shunter maybe isnt a good fit for that, but maybe the 66 shed would be? Modern passenger servicers certainly would be, and while not the desired platform for some, I think the absence of a compelling case for some of the older stock hinges around this issue of actually using the complexity to showcase the tech. Something for the UK audience though..
As we have a loco for high speed, I'd like one for regional traffic next; specifically the (DE) BR146.
Ugh another BR 146.2? I can't see anyone buying it because everyone already owns it like 3 times. Even though it's expert, I would sell pretty bad.
Now, I'm sure other people will have already said this, but I would love an expert Class 37 and/or Class 60. • I'd go with the 37 because I personally think the ones we have in game could do with a bit of extra work.. in terms of sound, clag effects and definitely the horn - so an expert loco with new sounds, more features and just in general more possibilities would be a day one purchase for me, easily!! • I would also suggest the 60 as it would make freight operations more exciting, being able to potentially blow your motor or whatever, with 18 JNAs or whatever you want behind you. It would make rescue runs possible, where the oil pressure may have dropped and a 66 or another 60 would need to come and couple up and drag you to the nearest yard or siding, maybe as an extra feature we could have the ability to contact signaller/dispatch to tell them we need rescuing.. that'd be pretty cool! Yet again, an easy day one purchase if that was to ever happen... I can dream!
US will be hard due to access/licensing and the fact that DTG can’t really do safety systems outside of the NEC. UK - I like BR blue but I don’t see them going that route for default content soon, let alone expert. They’ll JT do whatever they do with BR blue era routes. That leaves us with a lot of EMUs, and some high speed/long distance stock that appears on one route. Or the HST, which doesn’t really have a route to stretch it’s legs. Then there’s the class 66… like we need another class 66 That probably means Germany is the best candidate for this again, since there’s so many layering opportunities, and good units with a lot to interact with. Something that runs both passenger and freight services would be attractive to me. Freight would be made infinitely more interesting in expert mode, I’d actually run freight way more if you could actually break a knuckle (fault) braking too hard, or encounter numberous other faults
I am getting the sneaky feeling that expert level may well end up being a one off, given the stance we are now seeing from SBB and if other operators decide to follow suit.
Well, SBB never was that excited about being in sims, even TSC doesnt have a whole lot of SBB content and routes in comparison to other countrys, and the content that exists isnt the best and most realistic, possibly due to the licencing limitations. And now well never see another SBB route in any sim under this ruling But I can see another german expert loco happening if the 101 is a success, seeing how open DB luckily seems to be.
To make the set complete, a 120 would make sense. They are well compatible with the 101. I know many would question the sense to add a substitution to the 101, but its a fairly realistic project, which would make the ic possibilities "complete". Here to say i'd prefere this as next expert line dlc, rather than wait 2 years for the implementation of all systems of a x4 or dual vectron, which i fear would be beyond the scope.
I liked the Idea of a Dual Mode Locomotive because i think the Expert theme would fit perfectly with these types. I vote the Stadler EuroDual, because in my eyes it would be an awesome addition to TSW that actually fits on a lot of routes, with a lot of tasks. And obviously because its such a Unit ! With TSG and a possible Success of the expert 101 i think its possible fir the german Part of TSW to see an expert loco again. Question remains who would do a british or even an american expert loco ? As im not so familiar with developers like JT or ATS, i dont know if that would fall in their portfolio.
My suggestion for EXPERT mode is locomotive BR 187. In my opinion, this locomotive is the worst locomotive issued for TSW. It looks very good in appearance, but otherwise everything is wrong (I regret buying it). For me, an expert mod would put this locomotive back on the tracks.
The beloved BR120. It was always in the shadows of the BR103 and BR101, but it was the first modern three phase current loco and also paved the way for the first Intercity Express trains, namely the InterCityExperimental and the BR401. We already have the IC coaches and the cabcar, the loco could basically substitute for every 101 service. And with another paint scheme, it could bring some life into linke Rheinstrecke.
