Okay believe what you want i can confirm its not possible due to its age. DTG Matt can you give a message here so he knows... Otherwise we get long unnecessary discussions
Remaster? Achievable, lots of work, but achievable. Extensions and resignalling and other more substantial changes to the route? Not a chance, for those i'd start it again, it'd be quicker and result in a better end. Matt.
There you go mate a remaster is achievable point blank. I don’t think we need to say it’s not anymore
Thanks for clearing that up Matt. I'd love to see the route vastly improved. In an ideal world, I'd love to see a full rebuild with the branches added but would settle for the remaster one day. I guess we'll see what happens in future.
What do you called "Remaster" then? In the second part you talk about "other things" little confusing... But anyways you have talked about in a stream that for Great Western Expess it was not possible due to its age and that the route is to old if im right? You need to rebuild it from scratch. Or do you mean here its possible but not likely?
I think the extensions would be interesting for longer routes a lot of person will extension of existing route for example dresden-riesa to Leipzig could be a interesting extension for IC service and ICE services + maybe a new train add-ons In addition, the community in general wants longer routes with many stations and different type of services (freight,regional,commuter,intercity or express service and High speed services.)
Remasters would be: Updating to TOD4 lighting and light bakes Regenerating the track to use a more modern visual representation (no *changes* to track, just applying different art assets) Changes to materials, textures, upgrades to some 3D models Placing, changing some scenery to fill up some areas a bit perhaps - but nothing substantial Timetable and gameplay changes That kind of thing. The key thing is that a remaster does NOT generally include: New track Infrastructure changes like signalling behaviour setup etc People talk about extensions a lot for GWE, or they talk about modernising it, filling out the electrical lines, changing it to run with azuma's and so forth. Whatever you want to do as long as the route is still essentially representing September 2015 (which is where it is right now) then it's potentially achievable, but probably a lot of work. If you want to move it to a different time frame, the amount of work is insane because old oak is hugely different, literally october onwards big chunks of trackwork on the mainline are different because you've got elizabeth line stuff going in and before september you've got other changes to prior layout. Signalling saw a massive change in reality over that period as well. If you want to just pretty it up, but leave it fundamentally doing the same thing, it's doable. If you want to make it do something different, even just adding a branch line, you're opening a can of trouble. I think a remaster on GWE would be very cool. I have zero plans to do any kind of extensions though and if we wanted to do anything in that area again, it'd have to be built from scratch. Matt.
As my post above - no matter how short they are, how simple they might be, they'd basically require the route to be started again to do properly. Signalling on GWE is different and much less efficient (in every respect, both runtime performance and time required to actually set it up in the editor) than every route that followed it. Rather than trying to figure that one unique system out and work around its limitations, it'd be much easier to just resignal the whole route. Matt.
Quick question DTG Matt, would you ever implement ATO or other similar automated systems into future routes?
Okay fair enough... Long term short it is it not worth if you do a remaster its to much work with less result... I think the route is to short and needs other changes than only what it include at the moment and what you can do like TOD4 etc..... I watched a few of this kind of threads and lead to te same wishes to add branche lines and extra stuf what is not possible.... So the answer is here in the middle for people they think its possible or not....
but for the rolling stock it's a lot of works of maybe not so many works because class 387 is in the game and class 80X is in the game okay 800 and 802 true
Matt I have a question, at the Southall heritage shed , would it be possible if static locomotives like the 47 could be added as well as steam, or is that not possible?
As Matt just said, the route is set and will remain in Sept 2015. Those rolling stock didn’t run at the time neither the OHLE infrastructure was available, the only train that can be introduced is the Class 180s.
I recall on a stream for the LIRR route recently it was said that DTG were able to get the licence for airbus for more realistic AI planes. I think they would look good as the route runs near to Heathrow.
I thought that would only be the case if track and or/signalling was changed, but I guess it would eat up performance a bit.
This poses the question... Remaster or Rebuild from scratch? This thread pertains to a remaster only.
Class 180 and 165/1 would really increase the traffic in the timetable. GWR license is necessary for this to occur.
Remaster for now, assuming First are unwilling to give DTG their license it’s going to be a while until GWR falls into the DfT’s hands.
Trident House with Ventura House behind looking North West along Station Road from Hayes and Harlington station. As would appear in 2015.
Trio of housing towers on Avondale Drive Hayes beside A312 Hayes Bypass around 2/3mile North of railway. Can be see from just west of Southall gasworks until reaching Hayes Bypass.
We have to keep in mind, the vast difference between a remaster, which is pertanent to this thread, and a full blown rebuild. Although I personally favour a full rebuild with much new material added including new locomotive dlcs and more mileage in the form of the branches around the Thames Valley, it is far more likely and feasible that a remaster is the best we can hope for and I would settle for that instead. Anything that makes this route the best it can be would be appreciated. If GWE were to be built today, it would be leaps and bounds ahead of the version we've got
If it's not possible to remaster older routes because of being busy with current and future dlc. Would you at least consider upgrading suspension for the 43 and 166? I love the route, all those that own it,it would allow them to revisit it, without too much effort. Also to add to the list would be the Paddington bear bronze; to go with IK Brunel's. Thanks
Yeeeeeeeees. I truly hope that many of the items listed at the top of this thread are due for inclusion in the announced remaster. Thanks DTG. Clearly you have listened.
Must have been already on with the remaster.Fingers crossed they will include at least some of your list elarthur. Thank you
What does this mean with the previous timetable with the 166 and hst, does it mean we are not going to have the hst and 166 on gwe?
I thought they said it was something blue, which could perhaps indicate br blue. That could just be the Southall heritage yard perhaps
My (perhaps unrealistic) hopes are that the 'something blue' is a 50. Realistically I think it will be a HST powercar livery, 43002
A 50 would be incorrect for DLOGW as the stock is as there during 1971. The 50s came a few years later in around 1976/7. My guess would be from the following... Class 35 Hymek Class 42/43 Warship Class 117/121 Pressed Steel dmus Unless they don't mean BR Blue but rather FGW blue which could hint at the Class 180s. However, I believe that the licence issue still persists which makes this one unlikely.
Anything new would be a dlc. Unless they are just giving us a reliveried version of something we already have.
Bet you struggled to keep a straight face when you typed that, knowing what was coming barely a couple of weeks later!
A big thank you Matt to you and the team. Being a local, I am very fond of this route and look forward to seeing it even better. Please let me know if I can be of any help with this remaster.
Dont shoot the messenger... Im not the only one that have seen this livestream where Mart was very clear and says it was very difficult to change anything there. The point is here its not a remaster what you asking for. And i think Matt was not very clear about this whole thing that he has confirmed earlier. Now it points out its a remaster to earlier days in BR blue and nothing modern and the way he was described difficult was more the way of extending but that was not the question in this stream at all... So he gives wrong signals there. So again dont shoot the messenger
And why do you describes this as a remaster? There so many things that you want to add so you point is not fair to do if im not speaking the truth
