Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! It's Almost The 3 Year Anniversary

My hope for TSW5 is that they have beefed the despatcher up, the buzz words at the moment seems to be "artificial intelligence" so could we have some.

 

I don't know, I think they worry about it stopping people completing runs etc. It's Points over realism unfortunately.

 

as a developer (not of tsw) ai being a buzz word is the bane of my life.

people say ai and think skynet. What we have is basically glorified machine learning… very much reliant on the data it’s trained on and subject to SISO. (Roughly translates as rubbish in rubbish out)

 

Artist and copyright holders and protectors are already at odds over AI "learning" from their intellectual property without permission, credit or due compensation.

But AI cannot be stopped anymore, and attempts to legally curtail AI will take years in various courts all over the world.

 

Theory:
TSW5=Unreal Engine 5

That is if TSW5 is coming...

 

Intrigued to know what exciting new features will be, but… I will be happy if passengers and weather get an overhaul. A renewed commitment to the continued development of steam traction and more legacy TSW content would be the icing on the cake.

 

Delivery on release would be high on my list too.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to buckle your seatbelts, because the next 40 or so hours is going to be a heck of a ride. We may experience some turbulence and bumps along this journey. But the real direct was the friends we made along the way

 

Exclamation marks, bundles, promises, brands etc

 

Take it then, ladies and gentlemen, we have seen what the unconfirmed but projected prices for TSW5 look likely to be (as per link in the Dovetail Direct thread https://news.instant-gaming.com/de/...t-werden?utm_source=igStore&utm_campaign=home )
Roughly translates as
Standard Edition £40.
Special Edition £70
Deluxe Edition £110

Yegods. Not sure what the Deluxe edition entails to justify handing in excess of 100 notes to DTG in one go, maybe some sort of Season Pass. Obviously this all needs to be confirmed and we will know more tomorrow but can’t see how they can justify that level of pricing. Even if there’s an existing owner and pre order discount taking 10% or (if you’re lucky) 20% off bringing the prices down to £32, £56 and £88 respectively that’s still on the pricey side.

And if the £110 is a season pass, do we really trust DTG to actually deliver content and of a reasonable quality in return? (Still looking at you, Flight Sim World). Or are they going down the N3V road of inflating the buy outright prices to make a potential subscription service look more appealing?

 

Well, machine learning used for solely dispatching purposes could be possible if trained well, I think. Don't forget in rail simulation, we'd pretty much only need to switch switches and then give signals.

 

Easy solution: Wait 10-12 months and get TSW 5 with a 80% discount.
Personally I think the £110 edition will be a bundle containing some older TSW 3 routes and one route from TSW 4.

 

I'm guessing maybe deluxe will be some tsw4 routes and the new stuff on top something like their did tsw4 launch but tbh I'm not saying your wrong if I'm to part that amount money even the 70 notes needs be worth it to me this place in next 24 hours will be a pit of everything good bad ugly and all be prepared get popcorn and enjoy

 

The article cited gives prices in Euro. Here's a little table of how much different editions cost at launch (in €), if the article is to be believed.

-------------Std.-------Deluxe---Special
TSW4-----45---------65---------105
TSW5-----45---------75---------120
Increase--—--------+10-------+15

With TSW4, all that the Special Edition added (in comparison to the Deluxe Edition) was some old DLCs from previous games, one of which used to be free at one point. With TSW5, that ish better include a Season Pass for this kinda money.

As for the Deluxe, the TSW4 one justified its €20 price increase compared to the Standard with the addition of 2 new locomotives (and 1 old route, but that's not really "value added"). That's €10 per loco. So if this one includes *gasp* 3 locomotives, I'll be fine with the price hike. Pack it with value, is what I'm saying, and then I'll consider a purchase. Otherwise, there's thousands of hours of unexplored content left in TSW4 for me, I'm really in no rush to buy the new one.

 

Where did they get those prices from though? Can't see any pre-order, and don't think they are officially confirmed, so is it just a guess?

 

They have to make money somehow, we've had only ONE UK route DLC from DTG since last October.

I guess TSW5 will be top notch, bug free with a several hundred mile detailed recreation of the West Coast.

They've been quite obviously been busy working on it since TSW4 came out. It might be the new business model. An annual new game. One DLC somewhere after 6 months.

I originally thought suspension was taking up all this time, but perhaps not being as only a handful of the fare was upgraded.

There could be some sarcasm there. Anyway, I've got the popcorn ready and waiting for tomorrow.

 

We find out in around 36 hours, but wondering, if the "rumours" are correct, the deluxe edition could contain Goblin and/or JT Blackpool to tie into the DTG main UK route and the JT route. Or the Deluxe includes the new JT route.

 

Even after all this time and with plenty of empirical evidence to the contrary, l hope for my own personal self interest that its not just TSW4 with a small patch (if any at all), locked behind another paywall with some DLC that could have been part of TSW4 in the first place which I may not want but which I'll have to get in order to buy the dlc which I might want in the future.
Actually, for me personally, I dont 'have' to get anything. Im still happy with TSW3 and havent seen any compelling reason to migrate from that yet. I appreciate others may feel differently, but I wonder how many more might be carried along without the paywall model..

 

This thread is about to reach page 200 tomorrow

 

As I said in the Direct thread, I have more content in TSC and TSW4 not to mention various other games, that there really is no compulsion to buy TSW5 unless there is a significant wow and must have factor to it. I’m certainly starting to consider if a one handled WCML from Euston to MKC, an extended Koln to Aachen and Metrolink 2 fits that category.

We certainly need those prices peer confirmed but it has created a little bit of angst in the final 30 hours or so to the big reveal. I’m kind of hoping there is a Martyn Lewis effect here, who a couple of weeks ago was preaching UK energy price cap could go up by 77% in October, the reality now looks to be 9%.

 

I'll add to that Wow factor point with "from launch". We've fallen for promised features that are 'not quite ready' before.

 

There's no difference between DTG ignoring 118 pages, and ignoring 200 pages.

 

118 - the predecessor of the Einheitslok E10 (110)

 

Its just getting out of hand, games are just getting more and more expensive yet there is no justification for it. TSW5 will be 90% the same as TSW4. Its the same with other games such as EAFC 24 and the F1 franchise. They just copy paste every year and milk everyone for their money. Its crazy.

 

Yeah, Im sure this will be the case. We can only dream.

 

Mr Lewis was saying no such thing this year. You were watching/reading something that was actually from a previous October prediction when it did go up by a massive amount. It’s so easy for misinformation to spread online. For TSW it’s just best to wait for the actual prices to be announced before going off on one based on unconfirmed leaked or guessed prices.

 

Actually you are right! I had that previously off my missus who then denied vehemently this morning she had ever said that.

And yes I will be taking a view of the packs in terms of content and any discounts as the actual DTG info emerges. If as existing users with a pre order we can get the Standard pack for £32 or even £36 then that’s not bad for three new routes, even if they are what we think.

 

Epic database suggests pricing will be as follows, with a release date of September 17th:

• Train Sim World 5 – Standard Edition: £39.99 / €44.99 / $49.99
• Train Sim World 5 – Deluxe Edition: £59.99 / €74.99 / $74.99
• Train Sim World 5 – Special Edition: £104.99 / €119.99 / $119.99

For reference to TSW4 - Standard edition is the same, deluxe is +£7/€10/$5, Special is +£15/€15/$10.



Worth bearing in mind that you'd only have bought the Special edition last time if you wanted a package of additional older routes - all of the new content was available as part of the Deluxe pack.

Furthermore, there was a pre-order discount of 25% for Steam purchasers if you owned TSW3, and 5 days early access for Deluxe/Special editions.

Honestly - the pricing isn't vastly different, there's been no 'huge' jump, I'm not at all concerned about pricing, more about content and whether the routes look any good this time around!

 

£105 is a joke in my opinion

 

Why not have them both, East and West

E18 (VirtualRailroads) and V180 (Mod-Schmiede, comes in both BB and CC variants)

 

Even the minimal HUD was not added until after release I believe?

 

Even stuff that gets put into the "We'll add it within two-three months of release" bracket gets a "I'll believe it when I see it" comment from me now.

 

So this topic will go up a version as of tomorrow or will it get a subtitle like Rush Hour?

 

Heh, 10-12 months? TSW4 went into panic discounts a month into the release, those of us who bought it for full price were utterly and totally stupid.

 

So you are saying that I should wait for a period of time before purchasing TSW5? This graph is for Steam though, I use PlayStation

 

On Playstation TSW4 was £32 for a pre-order, £40 for full price, £25 for Black Friday, so I guess it depends whether you want to save approx £7 or play it 2 months sooner, or even wait until next summer when it will likely be 70% off again.

 

If you have TSW4, you already own TSW5....

Now am I being serious, joking, or somewhere in between..

 

Well, I'm on PS5 and 9 Euro for Deluxe some weeks ago was a fair price for me although I already owned the Dresden route. Vectron was a must for me and the Scotsman is a nice to have. I'm planning to do the same with TSW 5. No need for TSW 5 in the next couple of months.

 

I will know tomorrow if I will be supporting TSW with a pre order.

 

The minimal hud was a TSW4 launch feature....but it took them a little bit to remove that intrusive traction lock indicator from it

 

It's easy for me. If there is something I really want on day one, I'll buy it. I'll even preorder it to get whatever discount they offer (Though as Swiss prices are 33% more than Euro Prices despite the exchange rate being almost 1:1 due to Steam unfairness, that still means I'm paying more than full price).

However, there is not much on my 'really want' list, Certainly a short bit of WCML is not enough. (I don't gamble, but if I did I would bet it is Euston to Milton Keynes). A German route that went through Berlin Hauptbahnhof would be a must buy as would Riviera Line in either the 60's, 70's or 80's - Throw in a Paxman Valenta HST in the Deluxe Pack and I won't be able to handover the money quick enough. I suspect I won't be seeing any of that in TSW5 or whatever pack is announced tomorrow. I have loads on TSW and TSC that I haven't driven yet, so I can wait.

Interestingly I went through my Drivers Log Book last weekend to see how much I've played the TSW4 Core Routes (Standard Edition). Less than 10 hours in total. I have 3 times that amount in Blackpool Branches alone. So even the argument that it's good value for 3 routes doesn't really work for me.

Can't even summon up the enthusiasm to watch it live tomorrow. I'll catch the fallout on this thread afterwards.

Love the game, but it peaked at TSW2 Rush Hour, the new core features don't in my opinion justify a new paid title every year, especially when it takes all year to actually get all the features out (and the editor still can't cook). Best I can hope for is a free core update and then purchase the rest in a sale, hopefully sometime before JT's next route comes out.

As for new features, I hope we finally get the option for configurable controller input and ideally an api like the one in TSC so that we can read the state of the game externally. That's about all I want.

 

Assuming it has a similar amount of content as the same bundle TSW4 had, it will be 7 or 8 routes and two locomotives, which would normally be around £240 to £270 as separate DLC (assuming no increase in DLC price) and will include the base game, £105 would actually be very good value. It could have a bit less or a bit more content than last year but it’s likely it will be around the same level.

But hey, let’s not consider what you might get for that money before complaining about it. That wouldn’t be the forum way.

 

£105 special edition is mainly for newcomers who don't have many routes so to most of us we won't be looking at that edition anyway.

Could be worse Sony want to charge £60 for the Until Dawn remake which is just a graphical overhaul

 

Yeah maybe I was a bit over exagerating

 

Let's take a look at what I'd pay for......

TSW Annual release with a UK NW Home Counties electric route (including a suburban unit, an express unit and any other recently released units that'll work on metro services), a couple of Berlin S-Bahn services, something from the US (I won't care)
With extras of: Class 91 for the ECML that also layers HSTs in at last. London to Shoeburyness line circa 2002. An new ICE unit for various German routes and a Class 730 for Birmingham Cross City and any other lines it might be useful on.

I'd pay £150 for that lot.

 

When you say "the base game", what do you mean?

 

24 hours to go. Forum users you better be prepared.

 

Ditto - there will be more insight here because we are the field test

 

And also the track monitor did not work correctly for a while I think