My Thoughts On Wcml Euston To Milton Keynes Central

Great point. I was wondering if they'd eventually add all the WCML layers to the Bakerloo route but I guess with route hopping its not such a big deal... you can do the underground on old route (where you don't see other traffic anyway) and then pop over once you hit the above ground section. Depending how seamless that is it might be a good compromise vs putting all the work into the old route.

 

The Bakerloo line thing? Someone already brought up Flixtrain and ICE runs from Frankfurt to Kassel in another thread. The whole route hoping thing might be real game changer, if it works in a believable way. Would make merges and extensions redundant.... I guess the timetables would have to be linked up for the routes, where it makes sense to switch over.

ICE Frankfurt to Fulda, couple of seconds loading, same player train, same weather, same time, same AI around me and carry on to Kassel. That´s super cool, if DTG get´s it working in relevant places. Frankfurt-Kassel is definitly the "biggie" here...

 

Apologies Matt, With your first Bit is that referring to my post as I am now a bit lost sorry.

 

DTG Matt So if I start a service at Frankfurt Hbf, that in reality goes on towards Göttingen, Hannover and the north, it would be really cool if a message pops up "do you want to carry on ICE 627? click "Yes", loading time and you carry on towards Kassel, if you own both route. As said, the timetables would need to the same year on the two routes.
This obviously would make no sense for services that branch towards Berlin and Leipzig from Fulda. AI takes over and it ends as usual. But I think the link between Würzburg-Kassel and Frankfurt-Fulda might a great starting point for taking this feature to "another level".

 

that sounds great

 

I would like to ask you a Question will there be any E W S services on WCML when it lauches on the 17th

 

Hi Matt question about the route hopping, let’s say I’m driving a southern service from Watford junction and I get to Wembley Central would I in theory be able to route hop onto BML to complete the rest of the service ?

 

West Midlands Railway run class 730 on terminating services from London Euston - Milton Keynes.

So the route ending at Milton Keynes might not just be a coincidence?

Possible WMR class 730 DLC or layers in the future?

 

Wouldn’t be realistic as 730s wouldn’t of been around at the time i think

 

Ok, l can accept that then, but hope it’s eventually extended next year in TSW6!

 

Matt, Will it be similar to ecml on series s where you had the full and reduced timetables for wcml?

 

I was wondering the same thing too, I believe there should be a reduced and a full timetable.

 

It’s the best of both worlds

 

DTG Matt Will The timetables for series s be similar to NYT and ecml?

 

Will there be any Freight Services with the Class 66 E W S layered into WCML?

 

Does anyone know if it'll be possible to run the Lioness / Watford DC Line in the Early Release? As I understand it, the Early Release won't have the compatible content available, so no 710 will be available?

 

Exciting times ahead. I have only had TSW4 since April this year and it has been superseded. However, it looks like it's all good considering what I'll be getting.

I am thrilled by the announcement of the WCML and all the local services, and high speed 390 services it will bring from the Euston to Milton Keynes section. I am looking forward to getting my copy of the Deluxe version.

Speaking as a person who lives not too far from Birmingham New St Station I would like to know what DTG's plans are for the WCML. Are you going to complete this route over time to Glasgow? I hope it will not just finish at Milton Keynes.

Birmingham is also the second city of the UK yet only has one route, the WMR BCC, yes is a great line. It would be wonderful to see the Stratford-upon-Avon to Kidderminster via Birmingham Snow Hill station line in game also.

Anyway looking forward to September, not long now!

 

EDIT: That's a screenshot, BTW, not an impersonation. I confused myself after posting it...

 

That could just relate to the xbox 1 and ps4

 

As a PC player, I forgot that series S was Gen9. My apologies.

 

This was exactly the same situation last year when they had to make two timetables for the series s. A reduced and full

 

That would fry Every PC PS5 and Xbox if it was a 400 mile route.

 

I am not expecting a single journey of 400 miles. I am well aware of the limitations of PC's and consoles. I would image that if the WCML does continue it will be in sections Milton Keynes to New Street, then onward to Manchester and so on. Each section driven in sections. I do not think my back side could manage that journey. I'm sure in RL there would be crew changes along the way.

 

Ahhhh okay xddd Yes Same as you don't think my backside could either ahahaha

 

If you’re on steam then you’ll get access to the TSW4 content for TSW5 from the 12th, if you’re on console then you need to wait until the 17th for it.

The 710 isn’t included within the WCML pack itself so you’ll need to have the goblin line DLC to run it there.

 

I am hoping to see a realistic representation of the route, and by that I mean the Willesden Relief lines at Wembley Yard being used for a start.

Reading elsewhere that the SN services will only run to Watford, a shame. Would have been nice to see them at Hemel and Milton.

on Saturday evenings there is a regular block of the fast lines between Ledburn Jnc and Euston. It would be good to see this represented.

will we have the flashing yellow aspects at Ledburn Jnc, Watford South Jnc and Wembley North Jnc I wonder?

 

Will we be getting Class 350 in /1, /2 & /3 variants?

 

Or even 350/4?
Seems unlikely in the extreme.

I’m not sure why we aren’t getting 805/807 (or what whatever the new avanti stuff is) considering it’s basically an Azuma!

 

It's more work that you'd think (not just a reskin) - that being said i'm sure things are decided for reasons (I'm just guessing here )

 

Various differences, as with other 80xs.

 

Will the 377 start at Wembley Central, or the signal at North Pole just outside of Shepherd's Bush before joining the WCML, where it stops and changes between third rail and OHLE? I feel like for the 377 to be advertised as the second unit on this route, it should have more than just the 13 minutes between Wembley and Watford, instead having the full 25 to North Pole.

 

I doubt you’ll get to North Pole on it.
More likely will be West London Jnc. If you think about the Brighton Main Line you can join the route from South Croydon Jnc coming from Grinstead.
An easy expansion at some point is to link it up with Clapham.

Not sure when it’s set, but if it’s recent then a couple of SN extensions to Hemel Hempstead should be included.

 

TBH, there’s going to be so many ways to play this route, even if you can’t run the Lioness line, you’ll have 5 days to play and enjoy the main line and before you know it, it will be the 17th and it will all be available.

 

For anybody wondering what the pantograph on the 390 roof looks like here it is. This is how it reacts to tilting

 

the difference is, the southern services aren’t scheduled to stop at south croydon jnc, whereas the stop at north pole is scheduled in the timetable, so would be a logical starting place for these services, and would let you drive one of the nicest parts of the route on a short service, past wembley.

 

This is an example where layering comes into it's own. I have no interest in the Goblin line (refuse to reference it by the new name) and no interest in the IOW line, however, because I want the 710 to show in WCML and the 484 into the GWML remaster, I will now purchase these routes.

I really do hope the 350 and 390 gets layered into BCC at some point and also the 390 gets layered into other relevant routes that currently exist in future.

 

It hopefully will! BCC Remaster would be really good. Route still very good atm it just needs that extra bit of traffic and 350 and 390 will do it justice

 

Yes even with my apprehension about the WCCL, if I am going to play it, it will be the busyness which will keep me going and so I bought Goblin (they certainly weren't the new names I expected, I'll say that much) yesterday, and I really hope it does add well to the WCCL as I did one run on the Goblin route and struggled to finish it. Honestly the most boring run I have ever done, worse that BKL. Can't fault the route's workmanship and hope the same quality is put into WCCL.

 

Found a good video on the operations of a class 350

 

I thought that'd be the case, thanks for confirming.

Oh yes, fully agree - It looks like there is plenty going on to keep busy for the 5 days and much longer without the Watford DC line,

 

Just thinking again...

I suppose if the Trent Valley section might be coming later, and DTG might do something like Milton Keynes - Stafford via Birmingham New Street as another route, it could be an easy way dealing with the route split?

London Euston - Birmingham New Street / Wolverhampton services usually turn around at Oxley depot... or at least they used to?

(Might not be making much sense here, I'm just typing as I think about things).

 

Don't worry Matt it won't be too long before I can get back to my GOBLIN mod. Then you can be "bored" in your own Silverlink CL101 DMU

 

All I know is that as soon as the JT 87 is released, I'm painting it midnight teal and spending hours in and out of platform 1 at Euston.

 

Ah very good, I must say David I wish I had done my first run with the 37 service that were available, as that 710 on that route really were dull. I don't like commuter stop start driving at the best of times, but this were to the real extreme. Hopefully the SL 101 will be more enjoyable as it's more interesting to drive than a 710.

 

I wonder if the reason for setting Goblin in the ultra modern era was because they knew the 710 would layer in on the forthcoming WCML South? Crikey, that would mean DTG had a plan. But yes the route is more enjoyable in TSC with the 172’s and even better combined with the NLL using 378’s.

 

The GOBLIN is rather mundane and dull. The problem with TSW is that it’s very repetitive, and a route with occasional freight trains and regular same EMU does nothing for that. The advantage with WCML is that it’s going to be 66/350/377/390/710/72ts so you’ve got more variety.

those complaining the route doesn’t go far enough, it’s a good hour or so to do the slow line from Euston to Milton. That’s plenty. People need to understand that we don’t need routes that are long but we do them to have plenty to keep the player occupied and thinking. GOBLIN fails on that in my opinion. Riverside to Barking is great, but after that it just gets very boring very quickly.

 

Oh I think it’s going to be great, regardless of the modern era. As mentioned previously IMHO Goblin would have been better combined with the NLL and offering the variety of 172’s on the Barking Line and 378’s on the NLL, similar to TSC.