Do we think the new Avanti train gets layered in at Manchester Piccadilly and Birmingham New Street on the other routes? Nothing was mentioned about this on the stream. Would certainly make those stations busier.
generally, no. Old routes don't tend to have stock from newer routes layered in without a full update.
Can’t think of a reason not to, both routes could do with the extra traffic. Nothing but 323s and 66s on BCC and 323s and the occasional 158 on Glossop
As much as I love this game, in my opinion, the most frustrating issue with TSW is not having newer rolling stock for older routes. Obviously, I understand it's quite complex, but really we should have the 390 for Glasgow Central, New Street, Piccadilly etc. Then there's the likes of the 377/2 (and, of course, the 700) for BML, the missing ICE services for HMA, RRO, MSB and so on.
They will probably not do it for release. They might do it later, but there is no guarantee. If it is not on the roadmap ...
Thank god Im on PC and thank god for all the amazing new timetables some of the community members have produced
I got egg on my face when this subject come up before... But I was proven wrong. I was use to other British routes gaining layers once appropriate add ons become available. But this only happens from time to time when a new timetable is created apparently (even undriveable AI traffic). This question has been answered already in another thread and Alex has said "not at this time" for 350 and 390 traffic on appropriate routes. Disappointing for now, but I'm sure in time they will add them.
I would have thought the whole point of adding these huge stations is so that at some point in the future they could be populated with appropriate stock as new trains and routes were developed. If there’s ‘no plans’ then why did they add Birmingham, for example, if they were going to leave it looking like a ghost town? Having been through it within the last few weeks the game is a million miles off traffic wise.
There are hints that the 390 will show up at Glasgow… it recently got an entire new timetable and the devs at that point would have known it was coming and could have built it into that timetable as a layer that will activate when the DLC is out. That was also slightly hinted in the fact that the station PIS in one of the screenshots showed an Avanti West Coast 7 car service. I’d bet money the 390 appears in Glasgow day 1. For BCC and Glossop I don’t think it will show up on day 1, this has basically been confirmed by DTG in another thread. As to whether they will ever appear, that is hit and miss, sometimes new stock does get added back into routes at a later date but it’s not a guarantee.
I think the point of adding stations is to... have stations. Be kinda silly to have rail routes with no stations. That and "route hopping" which use the stations as "connection points."
It has been confirmed that the 390 does layer onto Glasgow, but the typical looking into what they can do for the other locations. Take that as you will.
Off topic: what does layering mean? Trains/locos get spawned into another route (like this NS GP38-2 constantly sitting on a SPG siding below)?
Usually other pieces of content that aren’t native to the route you’re driving that can appear on there. For example, the TGV can appear on Southeatsern Highspeed only if you own LGV. Sometimes they’re AI only, other times they come with extra services
Yes when we rebuilt Cathcart for the remaster, the 390 and 350 were added to it (yes, the 350, they were leased from LNWR for a while) so those are already in. We haven't got a plan for others, recognise and share the desire for doing so, but as I say, not on a plan, it's not a 5 minute job. Matt
This is a ymmv question that I think comes down to a few factors like how recent the route is, how well it sold, what players are asking for, and what available time there is for the devs to do it. Also this is just my speculation but I often feel like some of the devs have favourite routes they go back and put time into when they can which is great. It’s not an automatic yes… for example the East Coastway version of Brighton still has no Gatwick Express even though they’ve been in the game from BML for years… and Cajon Pass still hasn’t got Metrolink AI traffic even though we got Metrolink trains with the launch of TSW4. But other routes have gotten passes where things have been added in… SEHS has had tons of stuff added over the years to populate it (ie the HSTs added to St Pancras). And Bakerloo had a bunch of traffic added to the WCML way after release. SEHS has gotten the most attention post release IMO but even that route doesn’t have every possible layer (I don’t think they ever added 801s that would be coming out of Kings Cross).
Both definitely need adding to New Street. It would be so much better to have a mix of trains at the platforms, even just as AI.
To have Gatwick Express on East Coastway it would require a new train. East Coastway is set in 2009, before the 387s were built.
Please do consider BCC, the 390 and 350 could add alot to it. Not much chance of a crosscountry license for a long time so this is the perfect oppurtinity
For those wondering about the LNWR 350’s, they were on lease to TPE for their Glasgow>Edinburgh>Manchester Airport services.
JustTrains already said they are going to have to (and probably will) update their BPO timetable to include the 87 after release. It requires a full timetable update though, and DTG usually only does those with a full remaster (WSR, GWE now). The new timetable for Köln - Aachen will probably include newer stock but who knows when that is coming out. I'd like for them to update the timetables whenever new stock comes out but then again I also don't know how much work goes into that (a lot I assume, looking again at Köln - Aachen), so I'm not sure it'd be realistic...
Tbh, I'd be happy even if DTG just did a BCC timetable update first, and then any remaster stuff further down the line.
Adding the relevant layers to routes will not be available at launch but is clearly a no brainer at any point each route gets any work done on it such us a remaster. We all need to exercise a bit of patience and good things are highly likely to happen.
It's a question that I've asked DT a few times but don't seem to get a response. I've wondered if a similar arrangement we had on BML will take place, where 377/4s were also numbered in the 377/1 range to allow the size of the timetable. I wonder if a similar arrangement for the 350/1 to take place as there are only 30 in that subclass so don't know whether they'd be able to cater for the entire WCML timetable. So we'd have 350/1s also numbered into the other subclasses.
No complaints from me, the only noticeable difference will be numbering, though if people find out they have less toilets, there may be riots.
How do you think the layer management will work? Will it be possible to disable class 350 layer on Cathcart without disabling 390? The 350 looks very out of place, even if it used to be there for some time...
Yeah even from what we’ve been shown by DTG you can disable different service patterns for the 101 on KWG, so I don’t see a reason you couldn’t disable the 350 & 390 individually.
We generally separate layers out quite extensively - i think even without DLC for example the ECML route has about 40 layers, they're used for more basic organisation than just for adding dlc specifically. Can confirm it has the exact same number of usable toilets... Matt.
