Do Licenses Matter In Tsw ? Yes Or No ?

Do licenses matter , for me yes this is a major thing that should be in the game cos it is a simulation game licenses r a massive part of the realism of the simulator, I personally think routes should not be made or remastered without licenses it makes the game look tacky and cheap , anyone can make generic trains even roblox has them , u need to stand out from the rest not be equal to them . For me it really matters i h8 unbranded stuff , I only download branded stuff from creators club even if there is an unbranded version that looks better I will always choose a branded version, having all these unbranded stuff knocking about makes it pointless and not good to look at, massive no no for me

 

In my opinion it definitely depends, for example if they are going to use a fully fictional livery like Island Line 2022 I would rather not (didn't really help that the fictional livery was just so bad but that's beyond the point), de-branded on the other hand seems fine to me. But also I wouldn't want them to limit on what routes they can make simply because of some logos, that seems ridiculous in my eyes... And that somebody in the modding community will likely make a branding mod anyway

 

I don't play TSW to play fictional routes. DTG have constantly said that they wouldn't make routes that they didn't have a license for. I don't expect the wcml to be scraped due to an unbranded 350 (although that route has other major problems) but I won't purchase fictional or unbranded routes in TSW.

 

yea, for unbranded locos one can go for Transport Fever or sth, license is part of the immersion... that it wont appear on WCML sucks, but it isnt a game-breaker for me, for now

I guess it sucks more for people who look forward to specific content... like I really didnt approve when they put OBB 4024, and single unit to boot, as the train to run CJX9 from Payerbach-Reichenau to Wiener Neustadt (and further to Vienna)... I know this aint license-related, more of a factual difference, but still immersion-breaking... if you are a fan of US content, you arent going to be exactly happy if they mess up your fav content, same for fans of other stuff

 

For the most part yes. I do prefer branding and licensing as it adds to the immersion of the game. But, if it's not available for any reasons, and the route is good enough I'd settle for an unbranded livery that mimics an operators livery, without the branding applied, rather then have no route at all.

 

My view is always: not having those trains is much more immersion-breaking than having a similar unit, or not quite the right livery. I'd rather have a compromise (within reason) than a route lacking something important. There is nothing in TSW less realistic than Birmingham New Street.

 

My take is branded if at all possible, but not if it means dropping a route because of it. So I can't participate in your poll because it's too black and white. There needed to be more voting options.

 

Voted Yes. Licenses do indeed matter and play a significant part in immersion on a route. I'd only be okay with unbranded trains if they're for AI purposes and the license holders flat out refuse to give permission. Heathrow Express from GWE for example.

Just keep in mind, what happened with the LNWR license is not Dovetail's fault. LNWR gave Dovetail permission for licensing, but backed out at the last second for some reason. Dovetail are not to blame for that one.

 

The routes and trains themselves aren't fictional

 

Echoing others - for me it’s not a binary yes or no. The 350 looks fine and the station signs will, I hope, be smoothed over to make the loss of the logo less pronounced.

Striking the balance is key, and I think DTG are doing their best here where the licence isn’t available. I’ll always appreciate having the licence, though.

 

I voted no because it was not obvious the branding was missing. I probably voted Yes if it was a train livery I really know well but most of the companies in this game are unknown to me.

 

Even if it isn't a fictional route, I still wouldn't purchase a route with an unbranded train

 

Well they certainly shouldn’t bin a route because the license is withdrawn. My view is that the license is always preferable but if it’s impossible, it shouldn’t stop a route being made.

I will never buy a fictional route or loco, but as long as the route and train exists, I can live without logos if I have to. On PC mods will appear anyway.

 

I voted yes because I would never want DTG developing a route with a plan to release it unbranded, with LNWR something happened that caused the licence to be withdrawn at the last minute, I definitely support DTG still releasing the route without the relevant branding.

The station signs could do with more work as they look like there should be a logo, even if it's just aligning the text better. The changes to the train itself are pretty good, as they have only had to change the middle of each carraige, if anything the new design looks nicer to me than the branded one.

If this was a single train route it would have been more of a problem, but in amongst the other fully branded trains I don't think it's that big a problem.

 

I would say "yes and no". If it's possible to get the license that effort should be made; but for operators not on this side, as long as the artwork look right. I mean there's Tadami Line on the roadmap, with UR signs clearly seen in screenshots.

 

I'd say yes. and not just for the right colors, text and pictures on vehicles and railway buildings and equipment. I get that stores and advertisements are imaginary. I don't mind that. but also a license adds access for research like sounds, interiors, how the trackside looks. like the previous SBB discussion. I think matt was clear about licenses and what they add and the consequenses of breaking them.

That said I would where possible like some more stuff like the narrow gauge stock on Dresden - Chemnitz. even if those are branded. rather have some stock than the expanse of empty yards.

 

I said in another post that they can make lives easier for themselves to focus on British Rail era for most UK content as they can in the meantime release routes, locos and keep the money for licensing until a chance arrives in the future as at least they would have a bigger budget left over and be able to focus on expanding the core gameplay aspects as well as releasing other content.

 

The answer to your question isn't a yes or no.

 

Perhaps "Do you prefer routes with licenses?" would have been a better question.
I'd prefer a diversity of routes from different eras, so I answered "no".

 

Do I like branding? Yes.
Is it important? No.

Maybe because I have been lucky in life to have grown up from the most basic sims to now I actually don't bother about branding. I don't even really mind the era either. I know for a fact that I will be flying through Oxenholme with the 390. I know that there is a good chance I will take a Pacer down to London Euston. I just don't really bother about being 100% accurate

 

Do you mean the "Three Hundred and Eighty-Nine Point Five Very Fast Train" and the "Stroller"?

 

Being on PC, it's not a big deal extracting the textures and pasting a logo onto them. DTG had withdrawn their South Wales Coastal + Extension, to later release it unbranded again as a merger. Wasn't hard to swap the unbranded textures for the branded counterparts.

I think licensing will become more and more of an issue, and we may have to get used to unbranded content.

 

Third option in the poll... If you cant get a licence for modern day, build back in BR Blue or Green days.

 

Or (and I know this will never happen but one can dream) develop more steam routes.

 

Absolutely

 

Yes but it is by no means a deal-breaker - at least in the case of LNWR.

 

It is, but so are things like safety systems and realistic door operations. And I know which one I'd choose if I have to pick...

If licencing requires dumbing down the simulation, then I'd rather prefer unlicenced stuff.

 

It’s easy to talk about mods when you are on PC but what about console players who make up a large part of the player base

 

Spoiler: ...Nevermind

I don't know what to tell you, this is an issue with almost every game that's on console and also has mods, basically get a pc or deal with it. If you want mods that's the way it is, the way it has been and the way it probably always will be. Might sound harsh or whatever to some but that's the reality of it.
It's quite literally the sole reason I bought a PC for myself although not TSW mods but its basically the same thing.

 

It’s not about wanting mods. DTG simply try not to make routes without licensing so unless you get a situation like the WCML or GWE remaster the chances are slim to none so we can’t throw in the “get a pc” and call it a day

 

Of course has it has already been mentioned. There is always the problem of if a licence gets revoked after the route has come out. Even games like GTA have succumbed to this and had to remove certain songs becuase they do have a licence to use the song anymore. I know it is different as it is music but to me it is quite a shame when something gets changed which you have no control over.

 

You see situations like the current one i dont mind it not having the official branding but it doesnt take more than 10 mins to make a generic logo with a generic company name as a placeholder. The island line for example its generic branding and doesn't bother me one but but if it was just the livery with no name i wouldn't really want it.

 

Maybe they could call it Londinium Westerly Northbound Railroad

 

Then I guess Creators Club is not too bad ??? Maybe perhaps if yall could force CC liveries onto AI that would help... But I can see where you're coming from on this for sure.

Spoiler: uhh

Oh, and to be honest I didn't really totally realise what you were replying to so my reply from before might seem a little odd yes... my bad

 

That is worse than no branding personally, I would rather the 350 come as it is now than with a totally fictional brand. I can't stand the 484's looks.

 

The high cost of DLC is often blamed on "licensing costs" by DTG, so it is something we are all paying for with each purchase.

Therefore, if unbranded trains are going to be part of DLC going forwards, routes should cost £14.99 instead of £29.99, seeing as DTG won't be paying the licensing fees anymore... but we still are?

And unbranded loco DLCs can have a 50% price reduction too.

 

Here i cooked up something generic.

 

DTG has just to sell the trains with colors without any names.
Then let the community do it and it's not a Problem anymore. Thought steam workshop for example.

Like assetto Corsa or Euro truck simulator

 

Yes people will create the branded versions but u will still get un branded LOVE knocking about, ruins the immersion

 

Wots weird is , that they have the license for tsc

 

I'm not on PC so I kinda suffer from that also

 

Gta isn't a simulation game so therfore doesn't matter

 

It’s depends. As long as there is a reasonable enough effort to consistently deliver authentic licensed content, I’m happy with what DTG are doing. There’s only a couple of cases of unlicensed content due to extenuating circumstances. Like at least we’re able to enjoy an otherwise pretty faithful representation of a route despite an unbranded 350.

 

They have to get separate licenses for both games. One doesn't guarantee the other unfortunately

 

exactly that’s how i think about it too i don’t want unrealistic stuff from a game that claims to be a simulator of the real world

 

I prefer to see the correct logo's and liveries wherever possible, but I don't have a problem running a fill-in, or differently labelled train. I'm more used to generic fill-in's because a lot of the simulations I play also have generic liveries (FSX for example, or if you prefer a train sim, the Run 8 has generic paints for consists that are missing purchased DLC paints).

 

Maynot be a simulator but it still has licencing issues. Which is what I was pointing out in my post. I just like to make broader comparisons and not just keep a narrow mind

 

I don't think GWE (remaster) should even be in this conversation.

The Debranded FGW liveries are a bonus - nothing has been lost, as with the IOW/WCML cases.

 

I don't really mind unlicensed and fictional content, as long as it's done well.
Obviously, the prime example for this is IKB for TCS, a fantastic fictional route. Also, I rather would have a real route with an unbranded train if it adds to the TSW experience.
Sadly WCMLS does not meet the requirements for being a good route. I wanted to preorder deluxe edition, and as of right now my decision depends on if San Bernardino Line and Kinzigtalbahn turn out great.
But I will probably order deluxe nonetheless, since I am a fanboy and just finance DTG's business, shame on me.
Fingers crossed on Cardiff City line, the network concept seems really interesting, but it could be ruined by bad scenery.

 

I think getting licenses are very important for the realism and emersion, however in my opinion it's not a deal breaker as in the up coming WCML, but definitely wouldn't want to see something like" DTG rail "for example that would just be down right silly