Brighton Mainline Remastered

This isn't intended to be the evidence that will push DTG into making it but hey it's a great route and has potential to be of the best if brought up to TOD4 standards

 

Swap Southeastern Railway with Thameslink 700s

 

Yes yes yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This one seems to be the most requested route to be remastered from what I’ve seen repeatedly over the months. It is a good run and would be well worth the upgrade to TOD4.

 

Would it work without a 700/1 though? In my opinion, we should wait for a 700/1. The route is still enjoyable as it is.

On the other hand, since we already have the 700/0, how would DTG bring in the 700/1? I would hate to have to pay twice for the same train, so it is unlikely that the 700/1 will come.

 

I don’t dislike this route but rarely play it. Personally I’d like to see NTP or TVL get preference over BML. That said I wouldn’t be too miffed if it happened.

 

Tees Valley for sure. Love that route. Actually might have a run on that later tonight. It’s been a while.

 

I asked Liam for this several times via Discord. Unfortunately, it seems BML is just too unstable with memory limitations for anyone to attempt, although I feel this is the route that needs it the most. It was left with performance issues as well as lacking features like rush hour passengers (which work very well on PC via mods). I feel DTG are to scared to attempt as they feel they risk breaking it completely. But who knows, maybe someone can perform some magic and surprise us all, but I won't hold my breath.

 

A remaster would be amazing and hands down the best route. (For God sake it's still my favourite route now in its current condition!).

I'd certainly remove the SE 375 using the diversion paths and replace it with the existing 700. I'm not to fussed about the sub class difference, it would give the 700 more room to stretch it legs more then it does on SE high speed.

 

Would it finally get Rush Hour passengers?

 

It’s definitely deserving of a remaster. The new Airbus planes could be included landing (and taking off) from Gatwick too. This could be set to alternate between the two.

 

I think this is more likely to end up as an LIRR-style rebuild than a remaster-in-place. That may not be a bad thing - a budget (rather than a passion project) gives scope for a really solid upgrade effort that could include extension, which remasters don’t include. The route up to London Bridge - we can but dream.... I'd pay the new-route-fee for that.

I have a theory that it could come about when, one day, Gen8 falls out of TSW support. That would be a burden lifted from the requirements, given the traffic it'd have.

 

Top of my list for a remaster/expansion/whatever they wanna call it.

I realize it would have to be a paid DLC, but i think something like the Class 700/1 plus maybe some branches extended would be amazing.

Honestly maybe it won't be a DTG project, but if there's a 3rd-party interested in the region, i think it could work.

 

Now that DTG have upgraded the class 377 to ToD4, there is a better chance of BML and East Coastway getting remastered.

I think the only reason they remastered GWE so soon, is because they wanted the DB class 66 updated to ToD4 for WCML.

With route hopping, all old routes will have to be remastered, or at least upgraded to ToD4 eventually.

 

Certainly one I'd really like to see done, though it does slot in behind NTP and TVL in my list. The 700 really is missing and I too would be willing to sacrifice diversion layers for it. The lack of foresight from DTG really, frustrates me with the 700/0 being made, but not 700/1, meaning it will need to come with its own route or we'll have to pay 15 quid again.

 

I really feel for TSW players who don't have PCs. The unofficial mods for the BML give you pretty much everything I see requested for the route. I guess being an old duffer and stubbornly refusing to switch from PC to consoles has its advantages.

 

Not stubborn. You're being wise.

I only play on XBOX because of the comfy sofa and big TV in the living room, otherwise I'd be PC only for everything too.

 

There’s nothing I’d like to see more than this route remastered with an extension to London Bridge. There’s only a handful of train stations from East Croydon to London Bridge, so it shouldn’t be a huge project. It would also give the ole girl (Class 700) some life.

 

This would be amazing to get a remaster on this route . Also maybe an LIRR treatment with some extensions to the route .

 

The remaster is long overdue. I was certain it would be part of TSW5. I was wrong

 

I voted for yes. But I think it will not come. I think BML has the same issues like HMA. DTG self (Lukas) says they produced that in a way, that needs to much resources and memory than newer stuff.

 

But we Need the Class 700/1 as DLC for it

 

Indeed. It’s already a paid DLC in the game.

 

No 700/0 is the wrong Version
Wonder if DTG make the Longer Version for free like on the 380/0 and 380/1

 

What do you mean? They’re identical.
The only difference is the amount of units it pulls.
700/0 - 8 units
700/1 - 12 units.
Yes of course, it would be easy for DTG to add 8 and 12 car variants.

 

diffrent vechle types in the consist

 

What different vehicle types?

 

Why we got Not Both Versions at once?
It’s weird

 

I’d prefer the Class 707 on a different Southeastern route.

 

IIRC it was something to do with "memory issues." But I guess even if it no longer becomes a memory issue, maybe because of Gen8 consoles, we still wont get the 12 car /1 variant.

 

More like DTG can make it a new £14.99 add-on later, or bundle it with a new route and get people to drop £29.99.

Blaming consoles for everything is getting a bit lame now.

 

8 cars have dmcp+ptso+tsow+tsolw+mso+ptso+dcmo
12 cars have dmco+ptso+mso+mso+tso+tsow+tsolw+tso+mso+mso+ptso+dcmo

can you see the differnce i can

 

I mean Gen8 consoles definitely will cause a good amount of issues with this stuff, It is 10 year old hardware after all, although I definitely agree with you on this one... I wouldn't be surprised.

 

Yes, but I don’t know what these terms mean.
DTG aren’t this technical in their designs though, each unit is designed the same (in-game) for a 8 or 12 unit.

 

no they not the same each coach has a differnet meaning which is mainly for railwaily staff

 

You’re comparing IRL and in-game.
IRL I agree, in-game no.

 

the trains that are in the game are excltaly the same as life real

 

I had no idea there was such a difference in configuration between the 8 and 12 car units.
However, having slightly incorrect 700/0s has in no way hindered my enjoyment of the mod with Thameslink services added.

 

am glad someone understands

 

I have a feeling you might be wrong on this one, at least in TSC even in my oldest DLC, if I have ever gone into the editor they would have these codes for the different types. Its not just copy pasted although they might seem very similar. Unless somehow TSW has less detail with this than old TSC which I don't see being the case.

 

Didn't they say something similar about remastering GWE because of how old the route is? Now Liam is doing the remaster for TSW5 lol

 

I think GWE was preferred as it's having issues already (now I understand why they didn't patch the broken light baking at Reading and Paddington for TODv3 ).

BML was already considered to be one of the top routes as it is, so no rush to rework it I guess. I think all pre-TSW3 routes will eventually get a lighting upgrade at least over time, and I'm sure some routine workflow will be established, making the conversion process faster. (I had to convert ALL light sources from a TSC map (Zürich-Olten) once, removing shadow casting, and at some point I found it's easier to directly manipulate the files using a MassSearchAndReplaceTool instead of clicking each of thousands of lamps to untick the shadow casting flag.)

DTG Liam is the new Preservation Crew

 

Exactly. Even if it’s a slightly different configuration, they all look, play and function the same way in-game. People need to stop getting so technical when it has no impact on how you drive the train in-game.
So I go back to my original comment, they’re identical and adding a simple 4 coaches onto an existing 8 unit is a simple task for DTG if a remaster was ever to happen. Not replying anymore on this subject.

 

I'll be honest I don't know why people have to get so uppity about the sub classes of different train in the game, not everyone gives a LOVE about them as long as there is the train there to represent what is used to that route what difference does it really make? Just splitting hairs at that point.

 

So, you don't care if the game attempts to be realistic or not?

Might as well stick Thomas the Tank Engine on the Caledonian sleeper and call it a day then.

DTG are good at buggering things-up, but it's still called Train Sim World.

Just making-up random formations makes the whole "Sim" part pointless.

 

For some carriages this and a load of other info is labelled on the train exterior, left and below the gangway connector

 

Trailer Standard Open (TSO) and Trailer Standard Open Wheelchair (TSOW)

 

Here’s a handy reference for rolling stock codes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_coach_type_codes