Just Trains Making Wcml Over Shap And Br Class 87

I totally agree about the 101, although there are 101 schedules on the Blackpool North route too, and I enjoy those more. I also drive it a lot on Leeds-Manchester and Darlington-Saltburn. A really interesting train to drive.

 

Though in snow, you might as well forget that gear 1 and 2 exist

 

Rover SD1 and Triumph TR7 could be found at the time amongst a plethora of other makes and models.

 

SCOTRAIL YES YES YES YES YES YES

 

I haven’t experienced that. Do you mean due to wheel slip? Have you tried using a lower power notch? I find if I take full power in a lower gear in snow or rain it can slip (which is probably realistic) but if I use notch 3 it’s OK.

 

Yes, on GWE the 101 there in heavy snow really doesn't like anything more than notch 1 in gear 1 and notch 2 in gear 2, anything higher is instant wheel slip on setting off, up to about 15mph. Since those notches in those gears are so very slow, I found it easier and for the most part quicker (in acceleration terms) to just leave it in gear 3 at notch 4, no wheel slip at all

 

Thats Not TSW

 

Yes it is: https://www.justtrains.net/in-development/train-sim-world-5-west-coast-main-line-preston-carlisle

 

Thats the Livery then?

 

It will br that one and the version with the blue stripe I would think. If only someone could do an 80s Glasgow to Edinburgh. Alas I think that ship sailed with Making Tracks in MSTS.

 

already possible to recreate in TSC, a Bulleid 4-6-2 would be a very welcome addition to TSW.
If only DTG gets their act together regarding steam physics and operation.
But reading this thread makes me think DTG should deliver on other priorities first before making more empty promises.

 

Can confidently say this is going to be another stunning route. On par with Blackpool Branches, if not better, in my opinion. The Class 87 is an absolute masterpiece.

Right, time to get back to my dungeon

 

Really looking forward to this one.
I really want to see some screenshots of the Lune Gorge and how the hills around Wet Sleddale and Haweswater look from the railway.
Hopefully the canal tunnel under the railway at Hincaster is modelled too.

 

I never imagined one single sentence could contain so many fantastic place names

 

agreed.. Whilst, I'm very happy that the WCML & Wales are finally coming to TSW, I excited about this and the GWE Remaster the most

 

The DVTs were introduced along side the 225 sets in 1989. The route is set 1986. JT have hinted / confirmed that a Loco DLC is in Development for this route - i hope it is the APT as they were tested on the WCML with the final one withdrawn the same year this route is set

 

it will very much be interesting to see APT (but dunno but only time will tell).

 

This is what I assumed it would be for ScotRail livery.

 

Well. After DTG's (or Rivet's ) absolute disaster that is WCML South, I'm looking forward to this route even more now.
I just wish JT were able to sell it independent of DTG.

 

I am too very much excited for this route. I do like the variety of liveries available. Some of the pictures on the development page look like photos.

This will likely be my favourite TSW route for a long time.

Hopefully JT continue to make content around this period. It might show DTG that BR classic does sell.

 

Would the services from Morecombe terminate at Lancaster or would they have run all the way to Preston?

 

They do, can buy off the JT site they do reward points too.

 

Oh sweet! I'll have to check that out when it releases then.

 

There was a shuttle to Lancaster. There were certainly through trains to Morecambe but I'm not sure which ones came through Preston. Presumably any from Manchester would have done.

 

I’m hoping that this route does not have the same track texture issue that Blackpool Branches has in the snow. All the track has Persil white snow that doesn’t match the surrounding snow. Going over the hill in the snow is something I’m looking forward to doing on the WCML route but I can’t play Blackpool in the snow due to this issue as you can’t escape how bad it looks. So hopefully they choose a different track model this time.

 

Very excited, will grab the free TSW5 upgrade but I think the JT route will be my first purchase.

 

Yeah, it's pretty much the only major issue/bug in the Blackpool Branches, but very annoying. It appears on the rain too, when the ballast under the tracks looks very different in colour.

 

Ok, I admit it... BPO is really good! Probably the best route in TSW. One of a few routes where I actively gaze around to take in the superb variety and realism of the scenery.

Great as it is, it is not perfect. Others have pointed out track rendering issues in snow which is not actually something I have noticed or worry too much about. For me the only let down is that the route has got the DTG Achilles heel of poor frame rates and stuttering in certain areas. That is a real pity and if fixed I would happily score BPO as a perfect 10 but I fear that the fix is beyond the control of Just Trains and lays deep in the code of the game and would require massive efforts from DTG to put right.

I am sure that JT will make another superb route with WCML/North and after BPO I am looking forward to it.

 

It will be what 47712 "Lady Diana Spencer" is currently carrying. I would be lovely to see a 47 with a snowplough seeing as they work in Scotland

 

In case anyone didn't see it on the dev page for the route you can expand it at the bottom.

 

Nice choice and I am a bit of a sucker for the Class 47's having many years of riding behind them in the days of BR. However, I would like to propose something new and different to the route. What about the Class 150/0? I know only two were made as demonstrators in 1984 but I liked the prototype BR livery on them. It looked different and cool in my opinion! I am sure 150001/150002 has marched along this route in the past on the locals? Perhaps Preston to Blackpool/Morecambe alongside the Class 101's and the Class 117's before the Class 150/1's and Pacers became dominant from 1985 onwards.

 

Ah, talking of WCMLoS and snow, here are a couple of pictures from a "snowy day in the life". The locations shouldn't be hard to guess

 

As someone who has no reference to this route in real life, can anyone compare it to what other TSW routes it is most similar to?

To hear mention of mountains is interesting. I find most UK routes in the game to be relatively flat or meandering, other than NTP or maybe peak forest.

 

Once again JT sets themselves apart by offering a plethora of liveries on multiple pieces of rolling stock. Their approach is refreshing compared to DTG who seem to set the bar low when it comes to variety within dlc.

 

'Mountains' is pushing it
The climbs on this section of the WCML are fairly short, the most notable being Carnforth to Grayrigg, which is sustained but not too steep, then the famous Tebay to Shap, 5.5 miles at 1 in 75.
Mostly rolling countryside with a run through the Lune Gorge for a few miles, then Shap is moorland, with distant fells as a backdrop.

 

The above person has said some excellent stuff, so here's what I can add.

Preston to Lancaster has you running up with the M6. Lancaster Canal and A6 which you cross over at Galgate. Pretty much a straight section. Leaving Lancaster you cross the River Lune and then have the spur to Morecambe off to the left. You then pass Hest Bank Level crossing and the only part of the WCML that is actually on the coast. Carnforth station is on the spur to the left but no station is for the Northbound side. You the come up to Oxenholme which has the Windermere shuttles service. Climbing up to Shap you will see plenty of hills, as you're running basicasllly between the Lake District and Yorkshire Dales national parks and the M6 again which is split level. plenty of curves also too. After Shap you drop down into Penrith, crossing the M6 quite a few times. After Penrith it is then a straightish run up to Carlisle.

So in a way you have some towns, country and a very little bit of coast.

 

It will be a nice scenic run and if JT have nailed the regen brake sounds on the 87 correctly, a most zen experience as you descend either side of the summit. This is also going to be a great route to drive at dawn or dusk. I’m sure if you search YT there are a few cab rides kicking about, try Don Coffey’s channel fairly certain he uploaded one.

 

I know it’s earlier in the thread, but this is the best one (albeit only part of the route):

 

Funnily enough I just looked at Don Coffey’s FB page, he has a (modern day) Manchester to Carlisle clip ready to go, just waiting to fit it in the upload schedule.

 

There are also a few interesting bits of infrastructure along the way... WCR's Carnforth depot is always worth a look (although I doubt there'll be anything much there in the game, as it was a steam museum in the 80s... Flying Scotsman was based there for a while, so maybe they'll layer that in?), quarries at Shap, carriage sheds at Upperby, and then just north of Carlisle there's Kingmoor depot and the huge marshalling yard. If they model the first bit of the Cumbrian Coast Line there was a wagon repair depot at Currock too.

 

The two original 150's would have been rare on this route if seen at all. They might have run some trials up the WCML. I doubt they would have been seen at Morecambe, if so it would have been very rare.

They were based at Derby Etches Park then Tyseley and we're mostly seen in the East and West Midlands and probably in the Manchester in their early days. A 150/1 would possibly more value.

The Morecambe branch in 1986 would have been worked by first generation DMU's or possibly a Pacer.

 

Kingmoor is huge, indeed so is the whole Carlisle area. I’ve now got to 0500 on the SimSig scenario set in 1979 and even in the early hours there was a constant stream of overnight passenger, parcels, newspaper and freight trains. Got so dogknotted at one point I ended up deleting one of the many detach/attach moves to free things up. Then at 0500 you start getting all the ECS moves out of Upperby and Kingmoor. By 1986 it might have been a bit quieter and I expect the service level will be dumbed down so TSW can cope with it but should be impressive nonetheless.

As we’ve discussed previously, either 101’s, 108’s or the occasional 104 ex Newton Heath via Preston. The Cravens Class 105 had pretty much gone by then.

 

Will be brilliant, love a great tap changer.

I wonder if there is a possibility for the inclusion of 87101. It behaves differently to the rest of the 87s, more like a 90? Someone else may know more about it.

 

I’m really looking forward to this route, hope it will be as good as it looks.

 

Knowing TSW it would probably require a total rebuild, approval from Nobel prize committee, 3000 staff working shifts over 6 months and a retail price of £999.99 and even then have bugs...

 

And Rivat as a subcontractor to make it happen! They can´t do it alone

 

Yes, it has thyristor control so is more like a 90. To be honest, for the significant work needed to do it, I’m not sure it’s really worth it. Its control system is just less interesting - more conventional - than the main fleet. You select a power notch, and that’s the amount of power you get - pretty much straight way. Where’s the fun in that?

 

I love the tap changer mode on the 86/87's as its great fun to notch up/down rather than using a fixed state. It does take some getting used to at first and god knows I have tripped many of them out when I left the power on for too long and it goes into the red area haha. But I have learned since to keep the power in the middle of the yellow band when I need power the most and shut off completely at neutral sections. That is the art of manual driving these things in the game. I would likely lose my job if I did it for real as the real things are less forgiving but in a game. It doesn't matter so much.

Ah yes, I remember now because didn't the West Midlands standardise on the Class 150's for WMPTE which later become the Regional Railways Centro green version of their livery as they trialed a Class 140 Pacer and they didn't like them? Honestly I had completely forgotten about that one-off and was the same thing with the Class 151 DMU that was offered by Metro Cammell in the same year.

Come to think of it. I think any 150's around that area of Preston to Morecambe and Blackpool would have been Class 150/1's (later branded in RR GMPTE two tone grey) and the Class 150/2's from Merseyside and GMPTE that was later introduced from 1987/1988. In that case, the Class 150/1 from 1985 would be a better fit .

 

The Class 151 was mostly used on the Derby - Matlock branchline as it could be kept "out of the way" as it was non-standard.

There are only two Class 150/0s, both being the three car prototypes which are also unique in having a purpose built centre car (not like when they sandwhich half a unit in the middle of a regular 150 set). The production batches were 150/1 and 150/2, the dash two's having gangways on the cab ends. Off the top of my head I don't think we originally had that many 150/1s in Manchester itself but did take on quite a few 150/2s with our allocations being split between Newton Heath and Neville Hill (one for us and one for them etc...) with NH getting the odd numbered ones and NE getting the even numbered ones. Certainly in 1986 Sprinters were still rolling off the assembly line so were still quite thin on the ground in comparison to the old 1st Gen DMUs.

 

To be honest I was thinking of the mode replicated in the AP 87 pack, but yeah to be honest it's not really needed. Just thought it would be cool to throw in.