And what you see as "rewarding failure" only suits your own agenda - whether you like it or not, there are players that exist that in their opinion, the "product" (TSW) suits their needs and provides them with enjoyment. That you think this "rewards failure" is of course your opinion, but trying to project your opinions onto them by attempting to shame them for their choice is what is unacceptable. By all means voice what you dislike, but please do it in a way that does not denigrate other people for their choices (whether passively or directly) There are too many people on here attempting to force (not guide) community members to follow their cause
Well guess I'm going to be the problem then because your tireless efforts have royally failed in spectacular fashion on me, namely because I don't care about anything anyone has to say in the forums, If I want something, I buy that something and nothing changes my mind.....
But "your interest" would prevent other players from enjoying what modders offer, which is rather selfish And thanks for your permission to do what I please, and on another note please sir may I have some more breadcrumbs?
I'm agreeing with Fred. Despite all the shortcomings of the game, everyone's free to decide what they like and what they are supporting. Every other self-righteous attitude will have you become as stupid as those idiots glueing themselves onto the streets because they think they are holding the only truth, dictating how others should act. And this is only a game.
C’mon folks, no bickering otherwise Harry might get trigger-happy and close this “new” WCML moaning thread down. I suggest handbags at ten paces.
The answer to that is you can view nearly every aspect of humanity in this place and, and if you know how to read between the lines and see the hidden traits of people you can learn so much about people without even trying too. Plus to keep up with the happenings of the game mostly.......
I don't want to interfere with debate you're having with others. But as I've mentioned I don't want to create a 'them and us' attitude between those who do, and those who don't buy TSW5 and unconstructive bickering occurs every time the subject arises.
Everyone! Calm down! Honestly, I've been for a nice evening out and I've come back to read some of the horrible, ad hominem attacks on people most or all of us don't know at all. It's grotesque and some of the folks here should be ashamed of themselves. I get that people are disappointed (I am too), I recognise and applaud the constructive feedback coming from many but some of the diatribe aimed at employees of DTG, Rivet and who knows else (it would make me quietly smile if JT or other hallowed developers had any involvement) is completely unnecessary. I doubt very much that anyone involved jumped into their work hoping that they'd get a reaction like this. I'm sure there are plenty of post mortem conversations going on internally and, yes, things clearly haven't gone to plan, but that's something DTG and their partners have to work out and I'm sure they'll pay the price in terms of those of us who will not be buying their product (let's see how that really goes though.....). But some of this ridiculous, out-of-proportion response is plain silly, childish and downright inhuman. I'm sorry but I'm disgusted when I consider this next to some of the life-changing events people I know, and I'm sure a lot of people you know in similar circumstances, are going through. It's a game and, yes, it's a hobby that some of us take very seriously, but that's all it is and we have a choice as to whether we choose to support DTG in helping us pursue it. Feel free to attack me for writing this but, alternatively, you could reflect on what I'm trying to say and then, I'm sure in some cases, carry on anyway. Be kind to each other, life is far too short to let this level of anger and hatred consume you. Respectfully.
Thanks for responding in such a civil way. As you say, one can learn a lot about people by the way they conduct themselves in all areas of life, including online forums. Of course, we are all capable of temporary failures or lapses..
No you shouldn't this isn't a union. If I like a product and will get enjoyment out of it then that is my decision to make. And frankly, the way some on here "make suggestions to others" make me not want to support them.
I'm in a hotel room bored out of my mind.. I've got an excuse Otherwise I'd be running freight on the East Coastway, or trying some of the shunting suggestions I got earlier. What's everyone else's excuse..
I think we should now all just hold off of turning on each other, I would not want to distract away from the point at hand... Or get a second thread closed!
At the risk of repeating the gist of my previous comment, I’m pretty sure that the outcome of any tendering process was Focus Entertainment’s decision as they hold the purse strings.
You wrote that there were individuals who were attacking employees of DTG when that hasn't happened in this thread
Go back and actually read what people have written rather than editing based on casually browsing and pulling out what floats your boat.
So an interesting point in that update was the LNWR branding. Usually we’d see some management of expectations or no plans statement, but it seems DTG is hopeful of getting the branding in place.
I have read this entire thread. There is a difference between criticizing a company and attacking individual employees. Nobody has attacked individual employees.
The end term date for the LNWR franchise is 16th September if I recall correctly, the government could well take over the franchise then (and the branding might return), or they might let the franchise run until the expiry date (2026 I believe), in which case the situation is unlikely to change. Or the loss of branding might be due to something else entirely.
Aren't LNWR on thin ice at the moment anyway and this government have stated their goal to have everything nationalised asap? I strongly think that they'll lose the contract on the 16th, and the DfT usually are pretty ok with playing ball with DTG.
Considering its built up sprawl all the way to Watford we should definitely have that kind of bright sky light pollution at night, I think it would be a bit darker past that until you hit Bletchly where you'd see light pollution again.
I think my issue with this whole debacle is that we know it can be done better. By DTG and even to some degree by Rivet. Like TSW4 was a fairly solid addition and we got some decent routes albeit smaller ones but goblin was of generally good quality and we know that when they try they can put together a phenomenal timetable. I'm not sure if it was time limits or outsourcing to other developers but it's clear something has gone really wrong somewhere. But this constructive criticism has been given so much over the last iterations of the game and it feels like the gap between the community and the developers is getting far too wide. Genuine constructive criticism is being met with defensive statements and construed as personal attacks? Like come on. We know you can make a phenomenal piece of content. We know in TSW that it's possible to make phenomenal content (TSG, JT) and more importantly we know it's possible to fix a bad piece of content with the Support and feedback of the community (MML and the wonderful work of Adam and the rest of their team). Also Edit: Community team I think you do a great job with the absolute car crash you guys have been thrown in too and I appreciate it's a tough job with all of the pressure from above so thankyou!
I just wonder if the pulling off the branding happened after demoing route to a license holders... Or it is totally unrelated
After giving it all some thought, i really just have one question for DTG: Why? Why is this the best that can be offered? Why aren't any improvements planned? Why is this route missing so many key services, when last years flagship UK route was practically a 1:1 representation and completely full of life? i'm not being sarcastic or facetious, i genuinely want to know why this timetable is the way it is. Is this a sign of things to come, because i was genuinely looking forward to the Cardiff City Network, but given that this latest WCML south offering has such a reduced timetable, then maybe this is the way things are going to be from DTG going forward. So when it comes to the WCML timetable offering, knowing this is the 'final' timetable as stated by DTG themselves, I really do want to know: why are we missing so much of the timetable on such a hugely anticipated and busy UK route?
What’s also quite funny with this current bad feeling about the route is that no one has actually played it yet . I know quite a few issues have been pointed out from the preview , but until we actually play it we don’t know for sure . However , it does surprise me that DTG didn’t make this route purely themselves , given that it has been so highly requested . You would think this would have have been the one route they would not want to risk getting wrong.
We must not forget that the most disappointed of all is Focus Entertainment, which is a serious company that has to answer to investors. It is very likely that Focus will take things in hand (from a human, technical and marketing point of view) because a profitable franchise in the long term needs quality and standardized finished products.
To be fair, Rivet have done some good things working with DTG. Unfortunately, route building ain’t one of them.
This gap is also existing between my wallet and the "buy now" button on my steam basket, thats for sure! They hyped the uk route in a good way, but all those downsides discussed about the new wcml, are discussed past years in this forum. And the ones were follollowing the topics here in that time know, dtg ignored big pieces of the feedback. - the thing with the incomplete and bare timetables had its debacle already on peak forest and ny-trenton. So its time to repeat this on a uk flagship route? - especially when a route is outsourced to a 2nd party dev, quality control has to happen. I changed to a strict "nobuy" because i can see an overhyped spirit to rush products out in an unfinished state, instead of doimg them properly. Im ok with that, but going to buy at 80% sale which is fair. Also because the new german route layers in an old version of the timber wagon roos-t, while there is an updated version since tsw 3, just unbelievable..
After the last debacle with the TSW4 launch, I think the mindset of players need to change to ensure they get the best experience from their TSW is to wait at least 6 months otherwise they are nothing more than paying beta testers. A lot of players including myself have tried to advice or guide players not to buy an unfinished product and after going through the list DTG posted yesterday. There is not a hope in hell all that is wrong with wcml is going to get fixed in one patch, this is going to take several patches and as there is usually a good period of time between each patch you can easily be talking after Christmas and beyond (Easter). I would love for DTG to make a liar out of me, but you know I am right. Also bear in mind this is a product DTG says is ready and they are launching come what may. I know a lot fewer players will be buying TSW this time around and DTG have only themselves to blame for that. I do not know what is going on in DTG, maybe it would help to understand the reasoning as to why this keeps happening? ___________________________________________ Dear Paying Beta Tester, Thank you for sacrificing your time and money, I know you won't get to enjoy much of ecml as you will be too busy reporting bugs, remember the guard mode tends to crash as well, probably along with the rest of the game. Remember we are with you in spirit as there is no multiplayer Many thanks
I’ve slept on it, and my money is still firmly staying in my wallet. The response from DTG was lukewarm and the use of drone footage was pretty ridiculous to try and defend the indefensible when it comes to night lighting. Everyone needs to remember Rivet are intrinsically linked to DTG, being that some of the leaders in that gang are ex-DTG employees. The link is always going to be there. I’m afraid to say I have zero sympathy with DTG when it comes to backlash around this route. They’ve totally brought it upon themselves and let’s hope it’s fixed asap.
Cancelling my TSW5 preorder is turning-out to be the best gaming decision I've made all year. Think I'm going to stay firmly with 1980s routes from now on, so long as Just Trains is creating them.
Not sure what their involvement is with some of the Swiss routes in TSC. I was playing Surselva yesterday evening and it looks gorgeous. But the Ge4/4 loco seems to suffer from the same snatchy, almost instant acceleration when you notch up the speed setter/throttle. That’s a classic one from the Rivet motive power in TSW, too. Out of curiosity, I’m wondering who built the WCMLS train sets - the 350 and 390. Was that Rivet or done in house by DTG themselves?
Well I have to say that's a good chunk of condescending word vomit, don't get me wrong fully respect your opinions on the game and company behind it, but trying to frame you and the those of the same opinion as some sort of hero trying to save everyone is so patheticly cringe worthy I'm struggling to breathe as I'm howling with laughter at it. God I love humanity it's truly amazing and insane at the same time
