Just Trains Making Wcml Over Shap And Br Class 87

Yes it was the RR Centro with the green stripes, it quite suited them. From what I have read the class 151's were considered superior by some, more comfortable but if I recall the vibrations from the engine/drive train was more intrusive. Of course BR wanted more three car sets but budgeting constraints by the government of the time meant that they had to downgrade to two coach sets. This resulted in the hybrid sets made up of 150/1 and 150/2 vehicles.

150's were used on service they weren't designed for at first, longer distance services like Scarborough to Liverpool until the 156's and 158's came along resulting in them cascading down.

 

I remember going down from Shrewsbury to Machynlleth and back (as you do) not long after Sprinters took over. On the way out it was either a 3 car set or 2 x 2 cars so not so bad. On the way back a single 2 car Class 150/1. It was absolutely wedged. Just about managed to find a seat from Mach but full and standing from Newtown.

 

I've not ridden on that mine yet to my shame. That doesn't sound like a great way to enjoy it.

The railscene cabride of the line has some interesting commentary from the inspector in the cab. Clearly a railway man of old. I think that was not long after the 150's had took over.

Must have seemed a step down from the loco hauled trains.

 

Oh yes! Complete with Jeremy English (RIP) doing his best to annoy the train crew.

 

Yes he was certainly a character. I wonder if those operating the railway ever tire of over enthusiastic enthusiasts.

 

I am absolutely hyped for this route, with all the other BR locomotives we've received in past DLC, the rolling stock will be super varied. Plus we're getting that JT Loco DLC too which will be fantastic whatever it is!

 

There seems to be a few people hoping that JTs separate locomotive add on will be a APT... I'd much rather the Class 86 to compliment the Preston to Carlisle rolling stock variety.

And if the locomotive isn't for the Preston to Carlisle route, it could be a Voyager for WCML South, as JT made the original 'Expert Voyager' for TSC.

 

Great point, I was assuming (like most I think) that the JT loco will be for one of their routes but I guess there’s a possibility it could be going on a modern route.

 

If a Voyager's on the cards, assuming they now have the CrossCountry license, then that means the chances of a Meridian for MML have gone up.

 

Voyager is possibly the worst train in the UK. Built to replace far more comfortable rolling stock and always had a claustrophobic and vibration heavy ride.

 

This is just me, but I feel the problem with Voyagers is more their lack of capacity then anything else. I believe the initial idea was to have shorter trains (Voyagers) at high frequencies, to replace the 6 - 8 coach locomotive hauled stock... (47+ Mk2 rakes). But, today, passenger levels on the XC route have grown and the rolling stock they have has only half the capacity that the 47× Mk2s had to offer... Often, 4 or 5 coach Voyagers will be covering a busy long distance route. Fully packed, with no seating or standing room... It certainly makes a very unpleasant journey and experience.

I used the Virgin Class 221s between Glasgow and Crewe a few times, and I always found them quite pleasant when they were not crowded. However when I've used them on XC, they were a nightmare experience and very claustrophobic. With the right capacity they could of be okay, but they are really misplaced on the services they are currently used on. XC should have 8 coaches as standard...

 

How about a 50 to go on remaster GWE legends, plus rail tours over Shap, DOUBLE HEADED?!?

 

all of them are great options for DLCs to say the least. A bit pointless for Voyager maybe? Because their services dont even stop at Watford nor Milton for sure so its kinda pointless.

 

I'm hoping for the DLC to be a Class 25, as it is suitable for more routes than the 86. I'd be fine with either though (or an 81/85 or APT...)

 

The route predates the 220/221 Voyager though which came into service in 2001.

I would say 86 or 56 then 50.

 

The Class 50s left the West Coast Main Line for the Western region in the mid-70s, when electrification was extended North of Preston.

 

It better not be any of those rancid toy trains. JT stick to what you do best.

 

And 56s didn't appear until the mid 90s on the WCML north.
The only locos it could be which we don't already have are the 25, 81, 85 or 86.

 

A 25 would be nice, well great but I still hope it's the 86 as not having one of this route would be strange as there is no way you wouldn't see one. An 85 would be great but I do feel for realism another AC electric is desirable.

I really hope it's not the APT, for me it has little value other than novelty value and I wouldn't purchase it, certainly not at full price.

 

If you thought they were bad, try travelling on the awful 197's

 

Agreed what is going on with those seats? The chairs are school were more comfortable!

I travelled from Smethwick to Shrewsbury recently and I couldn't wait to get off. I feel sorry for anyone travelling a greater distance on them. Even the 172's are more comfortable and I don't think they are great.

 

Agreed. From an immersion perspective after a while it would be strange to have 87s as the only AC Loco and there were a hell of a lot more 86's plying their trade. It wasn't that long ago that Freightliner 86's were still running on the WCML so there's potential layering options for WCMLS

 

Travelled on a few 197s now, I'd say their ok for shorter journeys. But Voyagers for me win the worst train ever contest. Pacer feels more comfortable.

 

So i have a question about this route, although it might not be answerable as it's very early days!

if for example there are services using the Class 101, but they can also be operated by the Class 142 Pacer if you own that too, would there be any way do disable the Class 101 layer so only the Class 142 Pacer operates those specific class 101 services?

it's not an issue either way for me, i'm more just curious than anything! With the new selectable layers option coming up i'd like the option to replace the Class 101 with Class 142 Pacer, should that actually be doable

also to clarify i'm not asking what actually ran these services in real life at this time period, i'm simply asking if in-game you can disable class 101 in favour for class 142

 

If its a layer, then I don't see why not.

If its a substitution, then no.

 

With the 101 being included in the Shap DLC, Im not sure it falls into the layer category. If the 101 is the 2 and 3 car version then the Pacer wouldnt be able to take all the 101s services.

 

Class 50 were not on GWE during 1971 (DLoGW), didn't arrive until around 1976. Likewise, not on WCML during 1986 as all were on Paddington and Waterloo services by then. Definitely won't be a 50 for these routes. If it were a 50 it would only really be for WCL.

 

New dev diary out including new screenshots: Just Trains - West Coast Main Line: Preston - Carlisle



Also good news for OldVern as Just Trains confirmed on Facebook that they will include a RFB in the Mk3 set.

 

Those shots are looking stunning for certain. Can't wait for this to be released.

 

An example of how good the game can look.

 

Just keeps looking better and better.

 

Looks incredible

 

Once again it seems JT are knocking things out of the park with their route.
These new screenshots look amazing.

 

Fantastic work! This should have been the keynote UK route for TSW5.

 

Looks amazing - they keep giving us more and more reasons to be excited with to these screenshots; as if we weren't excited enough as it was!

I really cannot wait for this!!!

 

The flag ship route we all hoped for being delivered...

Superb stuff from JT as always... is it bad I prefer the executive livery on the 87s? Hopefully the locomotive add on is the 86 to compliment the route.

 

That is a breath of fresh air, especially after reading through the WCCL thread. This will The WCML for TSW. In fact I think this will be the highlight of the game as a whole. All this distance, variety and quality in one package will be hard to beat.

 

This route is a panacea to the WCML(S) train wreck. It is worth on its own the price of admission to TSW5, and as Vern pointed out, should have been the flagship UK route for TSW5.

 

Please DTG, commission Just Trains to do next year’s UK route for TSW6.

 

I can't believe it's finally happening!
Honestly so glad we have JT it's fantastic

 

Would be nice, but perhaps too retro for DTG and too many handles for the masses.

 

Too true, though I would take a modern day North Wales Coast.

 

As somebody who generally prefers modern era routes (i'm a late 90's girl so i have no experience with this era), even i can't resist this route!

really looking forward to seeing and hearing more about this route.. those who see my posts on here will probably know by now the timetable mode of a route is the absolute number one most important thing for me, so looking forwars to seeing what JT are planning here.

 

Any news on working neutral sections for this route? I see DTG decided not to include them on WCML(S) with the rather feeble excuse that the train, presumably the 390, handled them automatically.

 

I would die for a 1970s Newcastle to Edinburgh with the Tyne Loop (cl 101/105) and the Blyth and Tyne with the traffic from the pits, Blyth Power Station, Alcan, etc.

 

Did they say that? If so what a joke. Hopefully they will be included with this route, though I suspect if not it will be something in the core ballsing them up as neither of ECML's or EDN's work.

 

The only Uk route by DTG that has working neutral sections is Goblin; despite neutral sections being automatic on all modern trains doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be included, they offer a little extra to do once you get going and are realistic of course, I also believe they’re every 10-15 miles so there should’ve been a few on the route.

I hope JT include them on Over Shap, neutral sections on this route in particular will offer a unique challenge having to rundown the taps in preparation whilst going over challenging gradients

 

Goblin is a little slice of how we would like all DTG routes to be built.
Unfortunately the more miles involved, the less detail is added. Regrettably only so much development time can be assigned to any given project.

 

Apparently that's what Matt said in response to a question during the live stream of the route that he and Daisy did. I didn't watch that far into the stream, the long freezes and generally poor look of the route had put me off by then.
All British trains respond automatically to neutral sections, that what the APC system is there for, it's what action the driver needs to take that differs between old and new trains.

 

This is the route I'm looking forward to the most, I can't wait to drive all the locos and units, and also be a conductor. The icing on the cake for me would be having to ensure the carriages doors are physically shut before giving the go ahead.