PS5 Tsw 5……. Digital Display Screens And The R3 Camera Bug Still Remains!

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  1. cjheron

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    Honestly, I’m totally disappointed here on the PlayStation 5. It’s clear the screen display feature was not tested on console at all. There is no way to see what buttons have been selected, pressing left on right on the dpad, both moved through the options which are only indicated by a crushed in the top left corner label and opens the doors.

    The most disappointing of all. The controller breaking R3 bug where you have to press it multiple times to change camera is STILL there.

    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/what-about-the-external-camera-button.73541/#post-718787

    This but and the screen display where the 2 things I was hoping resolved. Unfortunately not.
     
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  2. Pokitorb

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    the digital display screens can only be zoomed in on when using a controller, but you can't actually interact with or operate the screen. So making the feature kinda ussless.
     
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  3. DTG-Chris

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    Could you provide us with an example loco, please?
     
  4. tfn#4756

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    Same issue I have on the 390 PS5 as well.
     
  5. Pokitorb

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    I have only tested it in the ice t for the moment. But al I can do is zoom the screen.
     
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  6. cjheron

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    Tried it on the pendalino, I could use the dpad to ‘move’ around some elements on the screen on the left with was showing some options in the top left corner, while trying to open and close the doors. And pretty much any of the trains in the deluxe edition do the same .
     
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    I've had it on the 390 and commented in the master thread DTG-Chris
     
  8. cjheron

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    I took a quick video. First part is where I get stuck and no matter what button I press says ‘driver mode’ and it only stops when I look at the vigilance pedal and the crosshairs return. The second part when I go back to the screen you can see in the top left I’m able to select buttons and use them but there’s nothing to display what I’m actually doing. As you can see in the video I am able to select Eco or power mode.
     
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  9. andyward1971

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    I'm on PS5 with TSW5. When you have pressed X to zoom in and access the various screens in the cabs how do you navigate the various buttons etc. There is no cursor.
    Thanks
     
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  10. cjheron

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    It seems like there is supposed to be a courser there. It’s just not visible as you are able to move around and ‘select’ options with the analog sticks but guessing there about it would be.
     
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    Ye exactly, this proofs furthermore that there is no testing being done on console.
     
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    I drove Frankfurt, ICE service and tried multiple services with the same issue. I am able to select one of the screens to zoom in however I have no cursor to move around and select things such as AFB. The screen display buttons all work in normal zoomed out mode. Is this an issue, or is it just me not doing something right?
     
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  13. antwerpcentral

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    Same issue here. I was under the impression you could even use D-Pad to select things. The only thing you can do is zoom in and zoom out
     
  14. jtmdias#2874

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    I’m sorry if I’m being dumb, but after I press “X” to be on the digital screen, how I move the cursor around? I just press “X” and it gets stuck.
    Thank you!
     
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  15. antwerpcentral

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    It's definitely not you who is dumb. The screens stay dumb
     
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  16. peskywolf

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    I not sure but on pc I press left mouse button to get on the screen and press right to exit it maybe similar on console thers a nother button to exit the screen as I don't play on controller can't really help
     
  17. antwerpcentral

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    Nah nothing works, or there is a setting I missed but it ain't working on PS5
     
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    Yeah, I think that’s the case! Thank you
     
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    I think it’s not working
     
  20. OnlyMe1909

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    Haven't tried this myself yet, but... seriously? The new feature for easier working of the digital screen does not work ? This was actually the only new feature I was looking forward to... :(
     
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    LOL, how was this missed during testing? Hope this gets fixed before 17/09
     
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    Thanks for letting us know, folks. We've logged this.
     
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  23. Fitz

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    Not tested on a console in beta?
     
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  24. cjheron

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    So it seems there is supposed to be a cursor, which doesn’t appear to be visible. If you use your left analog stick, and work from the centre, you can start to select things. Looking in the top right (where for some reason the labels appear) you can see what you have hovering over.

    Clearly zero testing on consoles. Though I believe they can’t have beta testers on PlayStation. I think that needs to change however.

    I still can’t see any of my routes other than what came with it, despite them being installed and showing us usable by TSW5.

    The R3 camera bug where you have to ores is multiples times to swap to and from the external camera is still there. That will eventually destroy your controller as I have gone through 2 that have both ended up with significant R3 drift.
     
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    Are you using the left stick to move the cursor? Took me a minute to remember to not use the right stick as you’re not technically moving the camera.

    To exit the view should be B or Circle
     
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    Any screen change pretty much always bugs on consoles, you’d think it would be tested specifically being a repeated issue…..
     
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  27. AvfcWalpole7

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    Yeah I picked up on this too, I guess we will just have to wait for a patch.
     
  28. OnlyMe1909

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    Screens not working is terribly annoying. Was driving the test track version of the DB BR 146 yesterday and couldn’t even adjust the brightness. We can do even less with the screens than in TSW4. DTG JD will this get fixed in day1 patch?
     
  29. whiteleyaj

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    New accessibility feature part of TSW5 actually gives consoles less accessibility. Nice to see screen clearer, shame it now has no interactivity. And upon leaving it locks you out from interacting with the train until you do a mad press every control on the controller and hope your cursor eventually comes back. Thought it was just the Penfo but after watching Matt interact with 350 ( I think ) in guard mode and turned on coach lights, thought atleast I know that's intractable but sadly no. Now tried 4 different locos all same. Just Zoom in out and then no cursor or is hidden so no way to interact then get locked out of any more interactivity in the train when you leave the screen. Good tip from above post about vigilance pedal though. Thought I was missing something obvious but after finding this post I'm kind of relieved I'm not but disappointed like others a core feature in promotional material doesn't work on consoles.
     
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  30. DTG JD

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    I couldn't say at the moment, we'll be chatting with the team on Monday about areas to focus on, based on the weekend's feedback. Unlikely to be patch #1, but possibly patch #2.

    This will be something that, after performance improvements, is pretty high on our list to fix though.
     
  31. hurleyboy

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    On 350 (PS5) no cursor on screen, but I don't get locked out of any functionality when I exit it. Able to still use the screen by cycling through the internal camera (TSW4 style!), so only a mild annoyance at the moment rather than an issue for me
     
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    DTG JD This occurs on every loco with a screen at all. For control desks with soft buttons (like the AC4400 or 66) one can still cycle internal cams get to them, the same as the previous games.

    But.

    This isn't a goofy glitch. This is accessibility, something DTG Matt really harped on. And it was the absolute number one TSW5 feature that made my final decision to purchase the paid version.

    "But why, Chloe?" you may ask. "The new routes, the new locos, the map, teleport, hopping. So many features our devs busted their heads open getting done before marketing day, the bugs they screeched at and scrambled to fix before launch. We're a small studio doing something huge. Why was the screen view take primacy over all the others?"

    My hands shake.

    I play and adore TSW above all other video games because my hands shake.

    They haven't stopped shaking since my last military deployment. I love video games, but since my world tour of southwest Asia, fine motor control with a thumb stick can be...not frustrating. Horrifying.

    Another reminder of what didn't come home with me.

    The first time I brought a heavy down Cajon pass, I ugly cried, just from sheer joy of getting something right on any video game for the first time since 2012.
    No guns, no fiddly platformers, or "get good". Just a 13000 ton train and one stubborn driver.

    Please, don't treat this one like any other bug. Please don't approach this with a "user still has acceptable functionality" mindset.

    It was a promise that meant a lot to me. A lot. It's about accessibility. I walked into that launch announce with a "maybe" and after Matt showed the screen view and gave his accessibility speech, I went from "maybe" to "pre-order".

    Guys, this one kinda hurt. And it deserves an adhoc patch.

    TL;Dr Screen view bug is far more important than you may understand to veterans with shaky hands.
     
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  33. DTG JD

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    Hey folks. Completely get it, and it's something we're prioritising. Hoping to get an update out very soon for this, as we're aware it's a core game issue.
     
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  34. patrick#8082

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    Same to me, on my PS5 hitting many many times the R3 to change the camera, that was a bug on PS4 some months ago...nobody care to fix it...
     
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    Hey folks. We believe this should be fixed with today's update. Can you confirm, please?
     
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    Works for me now. R3 change to camera seems to have imediate effect now and a functional cursor appears on screen view zoom in.
    Thanks for the fix!
     
  37. FredElliott

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    Not working on PS5 (free version, tested on Azuma in ECML and whatever is on Edinburgh-Glasgow) - pressing X on the screen to activate a monitor brings up the cursor (moveable with left stick), but pressing X on any of the screen's buttons just flashes "Driver mode" pop up on the right hand side, and nothing happens on the train screen
     
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    DTG JD Still broken. Screen and cursor come up, but you can’t click anything (driver mode flashes up on rh side of screen). 390 9G49.PS5.
     
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    I tried it this morning in trainingcenter with the 101 expert on my PS5 and worked just fine for me. No driver mode messages as long as you press X on the defined buttons of the displays. When I 'click' somewhere else, I get the driver mode messages too. But when I hit X with the cursor on a button, it worked as it should do.
     
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    Good morning FredElliott & TrackingTrains,

    Thank you for reporting that this bug is still affecting you. We've had largely positive feedback indicating the issue has been resolved for most players, so we'd like to investigate further to get to the bottom of this. We've raised this with the dev team and QA are looking into this as well.
    Could you post a screenshot or a quick video of this happening? I know this is more challenging on consoles, so I appreciated the effort it takes.

    All the best,
    Jan
     
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    I think maybe some people are clicking on the actual screens expecting that to work, when in most cases you need to click the numbered buttons relevant to the screen/ option you want to select (as per the actual trains).

    It’s working fine for me on PS5 for all locos tried so far (390, Vectron and DB 101)
     
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    If the screens aren’t touchscreen in the 390, then it now seems to work as intended.
     
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    Ran some tests this morning myself on my personal PS5 and i'm getting same as indicated above - works fine if you use the intended X button (the interact button). Triangle causes the driver mode hint but i'm guessing thats because you're in classic controls.

    I am seeing that the dpad right/left in immersion controls are trying to also trigger the doors so i've passed that bug over to the engineer.

    Matt.
     
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    My testing was done on the Azuma on ECML and the 385 on E-G, both of which are touchscreen only (PS5), and getting the "Driver Mode" notification on right hand side when pressing X (interact). Good that it works on trains with "real" buttons though

    The touchscreen monitors work as expected if the "Enhanced" method for VDUs is turned off in options (ie. the old way)
    In addition to this if you press R3 while in VDU mode it takes you out of the view and goes to the external camera, but doesn't cancel the targeting cursor - the result here is you can move camera as normal with right stick and cycle views, and what is nice is that you can use the targetting cursor to press buttons on the train desk, but difficult to use since up/down on left stick still control zoom... Pressing Circle while in this hybrid mode returns everything to normal. (Immersion controls) Probably not intended, but would be nice to have targeting cursor available in Immersion mode as even zommed, pressing train desk buttons in the normal view is very fiddly on controller owing to the stick sensitivity and lack of deadzone
     
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    Would be good to still be able to zoom in when in view screen mode. 2M01 377/2 hard to see as the screen is very bright and not very close.
     
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    ok will try the azuma tomorrow then - and good feedback on the external camera, i'll roll that in to the ticket.

    Re: a "zoom" - i kinda want to just have aw ay to zoom in *and* out as some may be a bit close, some may be too far away and just having that control feels like it would be useful.

    Matt.
     
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    still the same problem on PS5, plus camera outside looking on a bad direction, not in the front DTG JD ,DTG Matt ...
     
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    All the trains with MFD I've driven since the latest update were working just fine (PS5). Click on the screen, cursor can be moved with left stick. Buttons can be pushed with x-button. Off course, only the buttons that are programmed into the game work. Buttons that aren't programmed logically don't work and give message 'driver mode'.
    So far, all working fine for me.
     
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    The exact same thing is happening to me on PS5. Can go into the screen and see the cursor, but it flashes 'driver mode' whenever I try X or square or anything.
    Its a pity its happening. (tested on Class 385 and other trains with DDS capability)
     
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    Yes. I have the same. Used to be functional the tms screen but no longer. I also had the problem where no cursor would appear then only recently has it happened yet does nothing. Can't click on anything on the screen.
     

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