After going crazy on Frankfurt-Fulda all day, I tried the WCML south... biggest problem I´ve found: it´s too short. Pendelino run is over way too fast compared to ICE-T and Flixtrain on the German route.
I had a hard freeze on my first run through on the route (had to use the physical reset button)...I was about 21 miles from Milton Keynes heading north. First CTD or freeze I can remember in any version of TSW.
Good that this thread has returned to being a feedback thread and not the one about people wasting their time on futile arguments
Yikes! Chocolate is toxic to dogs (and cats). Also dangerous to dogs are grapes & raisins, onions, garlic, avocado, and macadamia nuts.
Nice to see they focused on the important details and not trivial matters like light baking in tunnels, passenger handling, and the timetable.
Morning all! So I did it, maybe had a few bevs, and dropped on the deluxe. I had an enjoyable 350 run, although the light baking in some areas is AWFUL, and there are areas of minimal clutter. Frame rate on the PS5 was ok..there were obviously areas it struggled a bit but it was fairly smooth. I think when the layers kick in on Tuesday it’ll get a little more sluggish potentially. I’ve a lot more exploring to do in the next couple of days across all three routes, but the Wcml isn’t as bad as I thought it would be. The positive for me is that it seems the backlash has spurned DTG into sorting some of the fairly major issues, so I’m looking forward to seeing it improve.
Probably my biggest single gripe aside from the quality issues. I was doing the second (proper) Pendolino Journey which is a non stop run from Euston to MKC. Just getting nicely zenned out with the electro thrash and scenery, then it was oh gawd Bletchley already… in go the brakes to stop at the Keynes. Not a popular opinion but I would much rather in the time budget available they had gone from Watford Junction to Rugby with the focus on Pendolino operations. That would have been a nice run, almost but not quite matching last years ECML for length and would have avoided the apparent timetable angst between Euston and Watford.
I'd be grateful as when the next train simulator comes out 'Lift Simulator 2027' (with trains as an optional add on the route will terminate at Watford Junction and be contracted out to the guy who.delivers milk to Rivets studio.
I know, it’s very annoying, I have to hide everything, not just chocolate as well. He may be cute but damn is he a good thief
Overlord or honest realist? Now get on with your beta testing. Oh I think there are a lot more than you list not prepared to grovel about sloppy and lazy work and be teachers pet all the time. Have a nice day and recharge your off-topic sarcasm battery, it must have drained by now.
Erm I said that in my post already if you read it: "It's fine they are entitled to their opinion" Enjoy your day - perhaps visit specsavers?.
It was ok till you mentioned the vanished 710's and 350's (minus suspension) being in 4 car sets, then you lost me.
Even with the layers it still runs quite well (I have all layers active on the PS5). The fps does drop in several places and there maybe a few microstutters but it's not that bad.
Have decided to get WCML South for TSC, already have most of the AP packs needed, no point in wasting Drive space on this.
I like tsw. I’ve invested in the majority of the content. I wouldn’t be posting if I didn’t have a liking for what’s being done. DTG are at a crucial juncture where the new kids in charge want a return. So how do they bring that return without compromising quality? Theres a load of routes that I still enjoy, SEHS, London Commuter, most of the German routes. It just needs that injection of polish now and for them to not start going backwards. Fix shadows and pop ins, optimise performance and make the routes as real as possible.
I think it’s funny how people who have spent a lot of money to get WCML instantly are forcing themselves to say it’s good. Maybe the dent in their bank balance is making them super positive! Enjoy it guys I’ll join you one day probably.
54 quid isn't a lot of money, 54,000 quid is a substantial amount of money, 54,000,000 quid is a lot of money.
I don’t understand how you can drive a train, be enjoying the immersion and then look outside with the drone cam and see floating cars, basic buildings and passengers stuck on the platform jiggling about. In 2024! Take Goblin line for example…stations are great, there’s some nice detail close to the track, passengers work as they should and the trains are nicely modelled. But take a little look further away at Tottenham for example…the roads look unfinished, like they modelled the 3d shape of the road but didn’t finish it, the cars can’t turn corners properly. It’s the little details that make the game. If I want to drive Euston to MK I want that feeling of leaving London. I still think, even though it’s old, London commuter still stands up today and is really well done. Lots of traffic, nice details. Sure it could do with an upgrade here and there but it is from tsw2. That extra polish turns an ok route into a great route.
Not forcing myself to say one way or the other. WCML is not the best it could be, but nor is it as bad as inferences from the stream made out. It’s still recognisable as the prototype and the Class 390 drives I’ve done so far hit the spot. Then maybe I’m too easily entertained but I did cut my train simming teeth on Simudrive where the experience consisted of a series of text messages on a plain background.
Believe me mate, it’s not the money. I will also caveat my review by saying it was the very first available service in the 350 which of course is like 01:37 in the morning, so it was dark! Maybe I’ll have different thoughts in the daytime. All that aside, I was inevitably going to pick up all 3 routes and The 390, possibly the Vectron too. The preorder price seems ok for the deluxe, and I had some PSN credit knocking around, so it cost all of £24. Not bad.
On Steam, we get Compatible Content during Early Access. The 377 is part of the route. Gen8 consoles don't get either, and probably never will.
Considering a lot of people live paycheck to paycheck I’d say for the vast majority of people £54 on a luxury item is a considerable amount of money.
My eldest has a xbox and to be fair £54 compared to £80 for other games seems reasonable to me. Or £8 99 a month and get it on gamepass.
£54 is still good value for money, three routes and two dlc would otherwise be £120, you just have to pay upfront. Even if you waited for a sale ( a risky option on Xbox) every dlc would have to be more than 50% off, and that could take ages.
I'm really not finding it too bad (on PC) but I'm one of those who pretty much never leaves the cab so I am probably missing some dodgy scenery and details in the stations as I simply never look. I have no interest in driving the DC line but the lack of traffic on it is noticeable and not good enough as you miss the effect of zooming past them all as in reality. It is really disappointing at the lack of neutral section functionality though - especially as I remember that being a feature on the class 323 I drove in BVE (remember that!) 20+ years ago now!
After watching a collection of Tube vids, especially from Dad Rail covering the 390, 350 and 710 I relented. Yes I know, I know! As I will not be at home I had to make a decision or miss the 16th for the discount on the deluxe version as I do like F-F and want WCMLS hoping it will get better over time. Downloaded, Installed and crash during load up at 33% great. No time to fix
If they are that hard up, then a PC/console game and the hardware on which to run it probably shouldn’t be their first priority…
The 710 Timetable is utterly rubbish, other than that (and the usual list of scenery bugs that can happen with any simulator based on the real world) I'm pretty happy. As to whether any of the reported errors are causing your heating trouble, I suspect it is but only if you're very familiar with the southern portion of the WCML and it just doesn't feel like it's at the right temperature yet.
There one thing I have noticed absent from the route that absolutely kills the emersion and that's the 10foot tags!
I'm glad it's not been as bad as people thought it would be despite certain aspects as the timetable Will have to watch Dadrails stream or something see how it actually lines up. Despite the worrying Rivet cereals
I got all layers activated on PS5 because I bought the special edition version which included the 710 etc so all content from the bundle was available. It was cheaper for me as I didn't already have 3 or 4 of the extra routes included in that bundle so I saved loads.
Is approach control (flashing yellows, approach from red) implemented? If it is Rivet that created the route, I don't think they generally implement this in their routes? If not, I will probably not purchase.
The 710 timetable is indeed rubbish, but damn if it isn't fun to drive- it's a whole mini-route within the route, with lots of AI zooming by. I think that's part of why the mis-steps are so glaring- there's good reasons it's such a requested route!
The signalling is good other than a few AWS issues around Euston. The 350 moves crossing over at Ledburn or Drayton from fast to slow have the correct flashing yellows sequence and a MKC terminating in the bay platform 2A had the correct approach control sequence into it too. Timetable wise I scrolled through the 350 timetable, there are some weird gaps so its definitely not a full timetable but almost there. Just had another good run EUS-MKC and actually the mainline traffic is pretty decent in the peaks - not as busy as real life or the central bit of the Brighton line but pretty decent. Just, as repeated tons already, the DC/Bakerloo side of things that is really dead.
Well, I'm not one who thinks that those who are struggling should have to spend every last dollar on food, rent and fuel. Even those at the lower end of the economic scale deserve their leisure and pleasure, perhaps even more than those of us more fortunate. And don't forget that many players are teenagers for whom £54/$67 might be quite a bit of moola. " Let them eat cake " is not a philosophy I would subscribe to.
I think I must be the most annoying 350 guard ever (getting dirty looks in the mess room). Sitting and chatting with the driver with the cab light on at night, forgetting to close the cab access door, running off in search of collectables leaving the key in the door lock, and generally tardy closing the doors at stations. Mind you the drivers could at least have the courtesy turn on the darn interior train lights instead of the guard having to do it. As an aside, the guard controls in the rear cab do work but are not recognised by the object markers which seems plain silly. Quick suggestion: I find setting the default movement to Walk makes Guard Mode actually more immersive. P.S. I get the impression the passengers don't like me either.
I couldn’t agree more. That should be the most important thing, driving the train. People seem to focus on the other stuff more, incorrect numbers/logos, a pressure value which is on the right side and not the left, a bolt under the train that is the wrong colour, a train door not closing one second earlier, the train roof not having enough bird poop on it… ok I’m taking the pxxx now. Not to say bugs shouldn’t be reported, but it shouldn’t stop you from playing the game. OCD much? What’s immersive for me is starting a route, driving the train and taking in the scenery. That’s it. Simple.
I've only had a short play about with the route and was wondering if anyone else has noticed some of the PIS screens at various stations don't show the correct information? I haven't got screenshots at the moment but one example was a screen showing an 00:08 departure even though the game time was 10am.
I believe it's been fully acknowledged for further improvement by DTG already. But the PIS screens at stations and on the units themselves are pretty temperamental... for example most PIS screens don't show off the route locations. But you'll get the odd screen that does and it'll just display "Liverpool", not "Liverpool Lime Street" etc... and this happens at a few locations (oh an nor does it includes the trains calling points for off the map locations). And on the Pendolino the destination will show as "Euston", not "London Euston"... small annoyances that go a long way... I'm confident that'll be improved in the post release updates as its one of the things that was mentioned prior to early access.
