I don’t understand how you can drive a train, be enjoying the immersion and then look outside with the drone cam and see floating cars, basic buildings and passengers stuck on the platform jiggling about. In 2024! Take Goblin line for example…stations are great, there’s some nice detail close to the track, passengers work as they should and the trains are nicely modelled. But take a little look further away at Tottenham for example…the roads look unfinished, like they modelled the 3d shape of the road but didn’t finish it, the cars can’t turn corners properly. It’s the little details that make the game. If I want to drive Euston to MK I want that feeling of leaving London. I still think, even though it’s old, London commuter still stands up today and is really well done. Lots of traffic, nice details. Sure it could do with an upgrade here and there but it is from tsw2. That extra polish turns an ok route into a great route.
Not forcing myself to say one way or the other. WCML is not the best it could be, but nor is it as bad as inferences from the stream made out. It’s still recognisable as the prototype and the Class 390 drives I’ve done so far hit the spot. Then maybe I’m too easily entertained but I did cut my train simming teeth on Simudrive where the experience consisted of a series of text messages on a plain background.
Believe me mate, it’s not the money. I will also caveat my review by saying it was the very first available service in the 350 which of course is like 01:37 in the morning, so it was dark! Maybe I’ll have different thoughts in the daytime. All that aside, I was inevitably going to pick up all 3 routes and The 390, possibly the Vectron too. The preorder price seems ok for the deluxe, and I had some PSN credit knocking around, so it cost all of £24. Not bad.
On Steam, we get Compatible Content during Early Access. The 377 is part of the route. Gen8 consoles don't get either, and probably never will.
Considering a lot of people live paycheck to paycheck I’d say for the vast majority of people £54 on a luxury item is a considerable amount of money.
My eldest has a xbox and to be fair £54 compared to £80 for other games seems reasonable to me. Or £8 99 a month and get it on gamepass.
£54 is still good value for money, three routes and two dlc would otherwise be £120, you just have to pay upfront. Even if you waited for a sale ( a risky option on Xbox) every dlc would have to be more than 50% off, and that could take ages.
I'm really not finding it too bad (on PC) but I'm one of those who pretty much never leaves the cab so I am probably missing some dodgy scenery and details in the stations as I simply never look. I have no interest in driving the DC line but the lack of traffic on it is noticeable and not good enough as you miss the effect of zooming past them all as in reality. It is really disappointing at the lack of neutral section functionality though - especially as I remember that being a feature on the class 323 I drove in BVE (remember that!) 20+ years ago now!
After watching a collection of Tube vids, especially from Dad Rail covering the 390, 350 and 710 I relented. Yes I know, I know! As I will not be at home I had to make a decision or miss the 16th for the discount on the deluxe version as I do like F-F and want WCMLS hoping it will get better over time. Downloaded, Installed and crash during load up at 33% great. No time to fix
If they are that hard up, then a PC/console game and the hardware on which to run it probably shouldn’t be their first priority…
The 710 Timetable is utterly rubbish, other than that (and the usual list of scenery bugs that can happen with any simulator based on the real world) I'm pretty happy. As to whether any of the reported errors are causing your heating trouble, I suspect it is but only if you're very familiar with the southern portion of the WCML and it just doesn't feel like it's at the right temperature yet.
There one thing I have noticed absent from the route that absolutely kills the emersion and that's the 10foot tags!
I'm glad it's not been as bad as people thought it would be despite certain aspects as the timetable Will have to watch Dadrails stream or something see how it actually lines up. Despite the worrying Rivet cereals
I got all layers activated on PS5 because I bought the special edition version which included the 710 etc so all content from the bundle was available. It was cheaper for me as I didn't already have 3 or 4 of the extra routes included in that bundle so I saved loads.
Is approach control (flashing yellows, approach from red) implemented? If it is Rivet that created the route, I don't think they generally implement this in their routes? If not, I will probably not purchase.
The 710 timetable is indeed rubbish, but damn if it isn't fun to drive- it's a whole mini-route within the route, with lots of AI zooming by. I think that's part of why the mis-steps are so glaring- there's good reasons it's such a requested route!
The signalling is good other than a few AWS issues around Euston. The 350 moves crossing over at Ledburn or Drayton from fast to slow have the correct flashing yellows sequence and a MKC terminating in the bay platform 2A had the correct approach control sequence into it too. Timetable wise I scrolled through the 350 timetable, there are some weird gaps so its definitely not a full timetable but almost there. Just had another good run EUS-MKC and actually the mainline traffic is pretty decent in the peaks - not as busy as real life or the central bit of the Brighton line but pretty decent. Just, as repeated tons already, the DC/Bakerloo side of things that is really dead.
Well, I'm not one who thinks that those who are struggling should have to spend every last dollar on food, rent and fuel. Even those at the lower end of the economic scale deserve their leisure and pleasure, perhaps even more than those of us more fortunate. And don't forget that many players are teenagers for whom £54/$67 might be quite a bit of moola. " Let them eat cake " is not a philosophy I would subscribe to.
I think I must be the most annoying 350 guard ever (getting dirty looks in the mess room). Sitting and chatting with the driver with the cab light on at night, forgetting to close the cab access door, running off in search of collectables leaving the key in the door lock, and generally tardy closing the doors at stations. Mind you the drivers could at least have the courtesy turn on the darn interior train lights instead of the guard having to do it. As an aside, the guard controls in the rear cab do work but are not recognised by the object markers which seems plain silly. Quick suggestion: I find setting the default movement to Walk makes Guard Mode actually more immersive. P.S. I get the impression the passengers don't like me either.
I couldn’t agree more. That should be the most important thing, driving the train. People seem to focus on the other stuff more, incorrect numbers/logos, a pressure value which is on the right side and not the left, a bolt under the train that is the wrong colour, a train door not closing one second earlier, the train roof not having enough bird poop on it… ok I’m taking the pxxx now. Not to say bugs shouldn’t be reported, but it shouldn’t stop you from playing the game. OCD much? What’s immersive for me is starting a route, driving the train and taking in the scenery. That’s it. Simple.
I've only had a short play about with the route and was wondering if anyone else has noticed some of the PIS screens at various stations don't show the correct information? I haven't got screenshots at the moment but one example was a screen showing an 00:08 departure even though the game time was 10am.
I believe it's been fully acknowledged for further improvement by DTG already. But the PIS screens at stations and on the units themselves are pretty temperamental... for example most PIS screens don't show off the route locations. But you'll get the odd screen that does and it'll just display "Liverpool", not "Liverpool Lime Street" etc... and this happens at a few locations (oh an nor does it includes the trains calling points for off the map locations). And on the Pendolino the destination will show as "Euston", not "London Euston"... small annoyances that go a long way... I'm confident that'll be improved in the post release updates as its one of the things that was mentioned prior to early access.
This new suspension thing. Is this what's making some trains looking like they are about to derail occasionally?
To me, there happen to be a train coming the other way, I do not get exited over it, and the scenery, it does not really matter to me, it is all place that I never been to and will never be tthere tho know what is there or not. If the scenery look plausible, it is perfect One thing that I find not very good in the UK, is that there is sun, my family have friends living in the UK, and they never experienced more than half a day of partially sunny skye
one of them is a construction worker, I do not know about UK construction worker, but in Canada they are working outside most of the time even in winter
Well clearly he isn't telling you the full truth or you aren't telling the full truth. There are many sunny days here, in fact today has been one of them.
Is the 323 included on this route WMR Euston to Crewe or Birmingham calling at Watford Junction and Milton Keynes Central only.
I've noticed about 11 miles out from Watford and 23 miles from MK going north. The 390 is quite dramatic on the springs around there. Reminds me of being on a159 Woking via Virginia water and Barnes bridge last Sunday when My Mrs and me were flicked off our flip up seats about 5 from Waterloo. Looking forward to the 377 and 350 getting the springs. Brilliant stuff.
Still crashing on the Series S constantly. No end in sight. Paid extra for early access and haven’t been able to complete a single route. It’s simply not good enough, not even remotely.
Indeed. It’s a bug that DTG are aware of and will get fixed eventually. Doesn’t affect my experience though. Popping/crackling audio would though on Xbox.
The St Albans Abbey Branch could have been included, And maybe Bletchley to Bedford. Apart from that, I dont find anything badly wrong with the route, Just some light baking issues in tunnels, and glowing bins, Nothing else that has not been posted here. I have enjoyed it so far.
