Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! 2 Year Anniversary

It’s great they have saved me a packet this month along with solar crown. Outlaws was pish too. Modern gaming is pretty rubbish currently, lots of broken, unfinished under delivered garbage all over the place.

 

I was one of the beta testers for TDU Solar Crown and in beta I thought it was decent but not the game I really wanted, which would just have been TDU2 with better graphics and physics. I don't think I'll get the released game - always online is not up my alley.

 

Yep its dreadful. Dont understand the design decisions they took. In fact i dont understand a lot of design and business decisions took even the company i work for. Common sense goes out of the window.

 

A proper overhaul of TDU2 is the better option. I know there is a mega mod for it but something massive would be better, with an improved map, better physics, better graphics, and bug fixes. Whether it's possible or not, who knows.

 

Yesterday I did a run on the ECML and as a lot of people know, there aren’t any signal cable troughs on the route which got me thinking - is the additional graphical rendering too much for the game engine to handle (Like is adding them going to cause significant slowdown etc?) or have they just been forgotten about/the team unaware that British routes have these?

All of that crossed my mind until a few minutes ago I felt like revisiting the GWR route before it gets a remaster. What do I spy on both sides of the railway? Signal cable troughs. That’s right, the first route they did has these. Why do their newer and arguably more detailed routes omit these? It’s a small detail but I’d argue an important one. Once you notice they’re not there it’s a glaring omission.

 

Some theory I have regarding the latest WCML situation.

What if all the poor timetabling and quality of the route was done intentionally by DTG? By sabotaging the WCML to be one of the most requested routes on the forum, they know it will lose alot of sales and customers which will ultimately be unpopular for TSW5.

Notice how they are offering to upgrade for free this year rather than paying. Well if it's really poor in sales, be prepared for this feature to be removed. This is DTG who will do anything these days to maximise income as much as how it disadvantages users.

 

I don’t think there is any deliberate sabotage but I do fear TSW seems to be entering some sort of mid life crisis. Whether that’s down to personnel, the choices being made, maybe tighter financial constraints from Rivet who can say. But they do seem to be struggling - TSW5 with no real meaningful core updates seems to indicate a lack of programmers, or programmers who can implement the fixes and improvements we need. The British keynote route outsourced to Rivet, the US route one which seems to have started out as a normal DLC but got requisitioned along the way. And a German route which in all honesty doesn’t seem to add much we already have.

The only light shining on the horizon seem to be the forthcoming JT and Dutch third party routes.

 

The upcoming Dutch route is first party. (to my understanding)

 

Great band and song

 

Saw them in 1990 at the Mayfair in Newcastle, good gig.

 

Saw them live in Zurich in '92, featuring L7 as supporting act. Travelled there by train, on the way back to Basel the whole train was singing FNM songs.... was 17 back then, and this was my first concert and still one of the best experiences ever.

Patton is crazy and highly innovative, love the first Mr Bungle album (and the musicianship). That and Angel Dust are in my Greatest Ever Albums list.

For those unaware...


Nothing Patton can't do... literally everything from Easy Listening to Metal Growling

 

Never seen Faith No More live despite my age, had tickets for the recently cancelled tour. Have seen Patton with Tomahawk a few times which was good.

 

No way! I saw them on this tour in Cambridge UK, November ‘92. To this day it was one of the best gigs I’ve seen. Saw FNM quite a few times in the 90’s, great band. Had a beer with the bassist Billy too!

 

Want to know how little difference there is between TSW4 and TSW5? I have a source who has TSW5 and 4 and thier TSW4 DLC files worked perfectly when copied into TSW5s DLC folder and the WCML/other TSW5 routes worked when copied backwards to TSW4, just conductor mode was nonfunctional. I know you have to do something to get TSW4 to accept a DLC that you don't technically own for it even if you do for TSW5 so I won't share how this is achieved since I don't want to get my account banned. But I have been told that this is not the case for any other TSW release, only 4 and 5, maybe thats why the starter pack is free because there are basically no core changes.

 

That still exists? This was raised with DTG on several occasions..

 

The starter pack is free so they can stop supporting TSW4 sooner

 

Assuming its the same thing I don't think DTG can do much as its to do with steam. That also still works for TSW5 as well.

 

not happy with dtg not beening fully truthful dtg should ashmed of themselves. We should get what we paid no class 377 for gen8 not impressed why not tell us sooner

 

These gen8 timetables used to be more like a recommendation rather than mandatory id like to see them like that again as I could still run services by turning off unwanted layers.

 

They probably didn't realize or forgot. It's easy to forget things when there's a lot of things going on at once. At least they said the truth regardless

 

very ture but it would have been better if they told us sonner

 

What feature will be removed? Being able to request routes will be removed? Or no more UK routes as of TSW6?

 

Some peoples imagination has no boundaries!

 

Yes, DTG in my opinion are just lazy developers…they add in something for one route then remove for another! I just dont get it at all. Each route should build on the previous one. When the Goblin line came out I thought this was a very high standard, albeit a short route, but we seem to have gone backwards since then. The one exception are the TSG routes which generally seem to be of a high standard.
C’mon DTG you can & should do better!

 

What has happened to this game? I've looked at some other threads, notably on WCML, and it looks like a mess. Everything is good over here on TSW 2 by the way!

 

It's not all bad, Frankfurt and San Bernadino came out great. WCML, yeah, they must have had a setback. But 2 out of 3! Not a bad result, I've now lost 10 hours on the Frankfurt route

 

San Bernadino is definitely growing on me, especially with the lighting mod installed.

Probably because it gives off that GTA Los Santos/ATS/Run 8 vibe!

 

In response to the poll: This thread is a good general whining and crying thread (that's the name given to the equivalent threads on GTA Forums) and continues to serve a purpose as a general discussion and complaining thread, and because this is Train Sim World there will always be new things to talk and complain about.

 

I dont actually get the fuzz about WCML, from my perspective its a solid route. Only a bit short for my taste as the runs with the 390 falls a bit short. Maybe its due to not being local at all. Even more, i think the 390 is in its whole a better piece of content then the ICE-T is.

 

The route may not be that bad, but the lighting at London Euston station is awful. It really takes away from the immersion when the station doesn't feel well-lit or realistic. It's something that could definitely use improvement to match the quality of the rest of the route.

 

It’s time to let gen 8 go tbh, holding back the rest of us

 

It's time people stopped saying this when it's not true

 

Unfortunately its a sizeable part of the revenue stream so understandably not going to get trimmed anytime soon.
Maybe GTA6 and other triple A titles/studios will lead the way, encouraging consumer upgrades which the smaller studios like DTG can then slipstream. Then there's the question of exploiting the new platforms potential which also seems to take place on the back of the drag curve..
Ho hum.

 

There are flaws. No question. The lighting issues are nothing new to TSW since Tod4 those issues are well known and were raised all over from the community an not only affect WCML. Its a core problem thats needs to be sorted for all of the content.

I also agree on the sparse timetable regarding Over- and Underground. Regarding 350 and 390 services, i think its decent.

Still i quite enjoy having a go in the Pendo, its a well made train and feels really authentic to drive (as far as i can possible judge this)

 

But it’s very true

 

No, it isn't.

They build routes for Gen 9, then scale it back for gen 8.

That means gen 8 does not hold anything back.

 

In the days of the PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii, developers who wanted to release games on all three platforms had a choice of three:
1: Develop a separate Wii version from the ground up (best results but too expensive for most developers)
2: Port the PS3/Xbox 360 version to the Wii, scaling it back so that it functions (often barely playable Wii versions, as was the case with Quantum of Solace and other games)
3: Port the Wii game to the PS3 and Xbox 360 (best for the Wii, but often meant the PS3/360 versions were very ugly)

Either way there is a compromise. I know first hand that the presence of the PS4 and Xbox One limits route development - when I was working as a third party route builder for TSW we were told to keep the scenery simple and to limit distant scenery so that it ran well on the older consoles. While undoubtedly DTG could do more for optimisation on all platforms, the DTG line that the PS4 and Xbox One don't affect development is anywhere from a loose interpretation of the way the game works to an outright lie.

You'll notice on most routes that trackside scenery is significantly better than what's behind the fence. This is especially visible on Blackpool Branches, where there is thick vegetation close to the track and nothing beyond it. That is without a doubt because of the PS4 and Xbox One. It's simply not the case of just 'scaling it back' for the PS4 and Xbox One.

 

Either way, until someone provides solid proof that gen 8 does hold TSW back (funny how everyone who says this doesn't do so), it's false.

It can't just be said.

 

There is only so far that something can be scaled back, Routes and content in general will be built around the lowest common denominator which is Gen 8. I don't think it can be overstated how little performnce the Gen 8 consoles had even when they were brand new. The same CPU performance as a 2007 Core 2 Quad and less GPU performance than modern intergrated graphics.

 

Gen8 dates from around 2012, is that correct?

 

Dropping gen8 now will mean losing several players

 

Said on the other recent Gen 8 thread, i'd be amazed if TSW5 looked any different if it was released on PS4 or not.

May be worth actually looking at the trackside graphics on a PS4. Victoria rail bridge is around a quarter of a mile away from empty countryside. The buildings at Croydon appear when you are 100 metres away from them. There is one half of 2 road bridges on Fife Circle. Start a freight Service on Glossop and the rear of the train is floating in mid air as the viaduct you start on is missing.

Imo this will probably be the last iteration on Gen 8 and we'll see if there is a difference next year.

 

More like half the player base from what I've heard.

 

yep low end 2013 tablet CPUs and lower end 2012 GPUs. The mid gen refresh with the PS4 Pro and One X did pretty much nothing to fix the biggest bottleneck with those consoles which were their CPUs (funny enough Sony has repeated the same mistake with the PS5 Pro), hence why they pushed resolution over framerates, because the CPUs literally couldn't push more frames.

 

I'm curious why people think that removing support for gen8 means gaining anything for PC/gen9.
I believe that this is it, this is the best game they can put out, and the only "support" for gen8 are reduced timetables.

 

Better scenery.

 

Just buy yourself a ps5 or series x.

I mean after all, money doesn’t seem to be problem according to most in here when people complain about the quality of routes and releases a new game every year. Or so we keep being told.