How Do You Set Up The Br101 Top And Tail?

On both SKA the 101 tops and tails the IC rake, however the rear loco is dead for me. Any ideas how to set it up so the rear loco assists?

 

There should be a switch on the back panel to decide which protocol is used for controlling other rolling stock in the consist. If I’m interpreting the real manual and Maik Goltz’s posts correctly, the switch should be in “ZDS BR 120.”

 

Ah so you need to set both locos up ZDS BR 120. That's where I'm going wrong.

Cheers mate

 

Right, both need the switch at the same position to being able to communicate through the UIC cables.

But in scenarios and services you should not have to do it manually. There is a config preset for that to enter into the formation definition. So 'they' maybe forgot it? As i remember the 'sandwich' formation on HRR were setup right already.

 

Just tried it and it works perfectly just like Maik Goltz said it would

 

For SKA it's not set up correctly currently. But it's no biggy once you know and can be done by external cam in the rear loco easily enough.

 

SKA? Is it with the mod that makes use of the BR101 in timetable mode to drive the ICE lines or are you talking about a scenario?

 

the Expansion pack has one service with the 101

 

And what a service it is, loads of yellows and even the occasional red.
I think it's possibly my favourite high-speed service across all routes.

 

I think the drives for the 101 on SKA are all during night ans since nightime looks terrible in TSW2 in my opinion i sadly dont play them.

 

One of my favorites as well!

Here are the details from another thread. It could be that all the top and tail set up steps aren’t necessary, but this works:

SKA Expansion Pack
IC1941 Berlin Ostbahnhof to Köln Hbf Stuttgart Hbf
DB BR 101

It is long train with a top and tail configuration. There is enough time at Aachen to set up the top and tail power. Here is my understanding on how to do it - and this way works.

After putting in the reverser and opening the doors:
1) In the lead loco, set the Multiple Unit Method switch on the back wall all the way to the left at ZDS BR120.
2) Set the pantograph switch from auto to 1.
3) Walk to the rear loco (I couldn't get the control shortcuts to behave and you have plenty of time) and set the rear wall Multiple Unit Method switch to ZDS BR120.
4) Control 0 back to the lead loco.
5) MCB switch to off. Panto down.
6) Panto up. MCB switch to on.
7) Set up your cab and leave on time

For extra fun, run without the HUD and withoutAFB so that you have to manually follow the LZBbraking curve. To feel the speed, crank up the cab sway.


There is plenty of AI, including the evening 423 ECS run. You should arrive in Köln early. The service didn't end for me until I shut the doorsafter the scheduled arrival time.

 

Oh thats cool, didn't know that about the expansion pack. It also adds scheduled services with the BR423 to SKA right? Might take a look into that, would make SKA much more attractive to me. Kinda underrated route imo.

 

Why would you use Panto 1? Ordinarily (and in auto mode) you run under the rear panto, unless there is a flammable or other spark-hazard cargo immediately behind the loco.

 

It's standard for top / tail powered trains here in germany. Panto 1 for the front engine, Panto 2 for rear (usually, if there is no failure).
As for your question why - the allowed maximum speed is higher in this configuration- check this:

http://tf-ausbildung.de/BahnInfo/saeinstellungen.htm

 

I have been trying to figure out the rules for the default panto setting of front panto on lead loco and back panto on rear loco. Max distance between locos om sandwich formation makes sense, its just that these trains are often long enough for allowing over 200 km/h for this setup. Also I haven’t seen a single picture of this type of consist as irl these services run with cab cars (please DTG let us have the complete consits <3)
Anyway, can anyone elaborate and maybe point to the rules about this?

 

You beat me to it JonnE, but I still find it a bit odd that I can’t find any examples of these runs.

 

They do happen although extremely rare in comparison to overall IC consists... I will try to look it up, but feel free to be faster than me

 

Are 1 and 2 affiliated with the cab numbers, or based on direction of travel or lashup?

 

Direction of travel, at least how I meant it. 1 - Front pantograph, 2 - rear.

Btw, found one PBrogaard

Source: https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/deut...81130/120-102120-101sandwich-mit-ic-2182.html

Reminds me how great a 120 (and a cab car) would be...

 

The expansion pack is worth it for SKA alone and yes you get extra Sbahn services.
Tbh they could have easily left off SPG and Bakerloo and it would still be value for money, conversely if you dont want to run SKA then personally I feel theres not a lot in terms of additional game play for the other 2 routes, which is a bit of a shame and a lost opportunity IMO.

 

I just used camera 3 and was able to do all the required switches from outside the 2nd man side cab door, although it was a little fiddly until you get the hang of it.

Regarding the early arrival I wonder if when Joe did the timetable it perhaps wasnt picked up that the rear loco was dead and wasnt providing power and resulted in a slower run due to slower acceleration and perhaps even top speed.

 

PBrogaard, video footage of 101 top and tails are easy to find (although they pretty much always involve a dead cab car) - just search for “Br 101 sandwhich” on YouTube. For example:

 

The Timetable Simulation always uses both locos as powered. So the timings are good. Only a player driven train would suffer from the missing power of the rear loco. And the "'Sandwich' configuration is not all about more power for more speed or more acceleration these days. It's more the efficiency. Two locos can provide the needed TE with way less needed current together than only one loco would use. Not every service is calculated with two locos. Mostly regional trains will be calculated with two locos because their schedules are way tighter and they have way more stops to do.

 

Good to know thanks, just when I tried it without the 2nd loco it laboured somewhat (not unexpected given it was hauling 16 coaches and a dead loco) and I needed to really work the throttle to gain any real acceleration without getting superslip. In some ways running this service with 1 loco is equally fun as it is with 2.

Its a shame that we cant give services a star rating in game because this one is worthy of 6 stars!!

 

Especially in such situation you would want Superslip. Don't mistake it with normal slip. Superslip is there to put the maximum possible traction to the rails. Preventing it would steal you TE.

 

But it hurts my ears lol,
And I bow to your knowledge, I just thought it wasn't maximised IRL for that precise reason. Or is it a case where an underpowered consist would necessitate using it?

 

Yeah, put something in them, or just feel the pain of a real driver

 

Thank you as ever for sharing your knowledge

 

Digging this thread up.

I noticed some of the BR101 formations on Frankfurt-Fulda have 2 locomotives at their head. Is the procedure described here the same in this case?

 

on KWG they actually start with ZDS BR 120 on on both. I'm waiting for the expert dlc to play the 101 on FTF. but if they are like SKA and haven't been set then yes, any service with a 101 (or 120 when we get one) will need ZDS BR 120 set up on both loco's