Now that you mention that, the formation i had problems with was a 114 at the front and a 146 at the back. Not sure if that need some special settings?
I am not sure a notch controlled loco like the 114 can control a 146. That's not possible imho. You can only pull it as dead weight. 114 as sandwiches are possible, but not mixed with a Traxx loco and the likes.
LZB Ende is completely screwed up. There is no warning alarm, no nothing; LZB just switches off, and unless you're anticipating it dumps you into a ZB (it gives you a brake warning but never applies the brakes coming into the 160)
Is this reproducible for you? What service and what loco was this in? I have not seen this behaviour, at all, so far. I think that the LZB Ende is actually quite realistic. I like the fact that when the last signal in LZB shows red it won’t warn about LZB Ende until the signal turns green, for example. Nothing new on FTF but also works here as expected…
Flix Vectron. Eastbound Hanau-Fulda; the thermometer warns you of the upcoming 160, and the G brake warning comes on, but the train does not brake itself; then (even if you have reduced speed), when you hit the 160 LZB turns off, it yells "Zugbeeinflussung" at you, and then no matter what combination of PZB keys you hit, it smacks you with a ZB. This is entirely wrong.
Totally agree! PZB is also active in the background which means that you need to keep the rules in mind when reaching LZB Ende while for example being PZB wise under restriction.This is in my opinion the first route where this can happen, ob all other LZB related routes you’ll never discover this.
Interesting, I have finished all but one FLX services and I have not encountered anything similar to this…
As I understand it, properly you should get an Ende wrning several km before it happens: the buzzer will sound and you have to acknowlege PZB, then when the end comes (again with a buzzer, and a light), you zero throttle, reset AFB and proceed under PZB rules But none of this is happening for me on this route with this loco.
Yes, more or less this is what is happening (minus the throttle reset). Love the LZB Ende in the Vectron as you simply have to acknowledge the AFB again by pressing the lever and that’s it. But all the bells and whistles, as you describe them, are happening…
Would be interesting to hear others as well. Obviously we have two very different outcomes of the same event... For me it is all happening as it should. You on PC as well, right?
Is there any special service to try that or where this errors seems to appear? I would like to check it as well. Didn't have LZB Ende problems yet at this Route.
I just did a run RB51 on the 146, i had a stop in Wolfgang, Still in LZB zone, with a red light at the exit of the station. AFB decided to brake way too early so my train stopped on 700m before the station. All i could do was disable AFB to continue and stop at the station. I had a similar experience driving into Fulda where the exit light is always red (not with a 146). I also have the impression that AFB brakes way too soon in LZB mode. Furthermore there are quite often vorsignals that are green which give a zwangsbremsung and where the next signal is indeed red.
I need to correct this. 2deg is a thing when NeiTech is switched off... I believe this was also mentioned in the live stream prior to launch of TSW5.
Tried DGS 52527 (20:55) from Hanau to Schlüchtern earlier. If you ever try this service, dont get to a standstill on the high inclines ahead of Schlüchtern, as you will not get moving again. The Weight of this train is 2478t, however, checking the tool from DB InfraGo will show you a max weight of 1980t for this route and a 300kN Vectron: What I like, though, is the fact that TSW is pretty close to reality in terms of physics simulation!
Upgraded to PS5 this past weekend. I don't have loads of other German/Austrian routes - just Kassel-Wurzburg, Koln-Aachen, and Semmeringbahn, so not as overloaded with layers as some. But I've had two memory crashes around 8-9 km outside Frankfurt at very different times of day. Looking forward to upcoming updates that address this kind of issue, but for now definitely saving once I get around 10km from Frankfurt on future runs.
I had a similar problem with an earlier service (DGS 69170) just outside of Fulda. In my case I got stopped at a red signal and had trouble starting again. I had to let the train roll back several times before I could get it moving forward again. I can't remember the weight of the train but it would be interesting to know if there are any other services have this problem. I think DadRail has mentioned that in the UK freight drivers can request a clear run (i.e all green signals) on steep gradients.
Just checked, this service is with 1449t actually about 1000t lighter. But even with those, especially in adverse wheather conditions you will have problems, however, can also happen irl. But you would not find a train like quoted above irl on here... As for an all clear route, this is also done in Germany, however, I am pretty sure that this has to be requested when releasing the timetable to DB InfrGo. I would doubt that they would accept this for a high density route like the Kinzigtalbahn (but I am only guessing, really). In instances like the 2500t train you would simply add a second loco to the consist. This would be something DTG could think about adding in this instance. Would add another variety to the route, as I dont think there are any double header in the timetable, yet?!
I tried to do it while sitting at the incline. Problem there was that I could not spawn as the line was blocked by my train. Not sure if you could do it before the service has officially started?!
Depends how close the original loco is to the signal, or a set of points. Problem is, you'd be driving from the new loco which would have no assigned service. I suppose, for a baroque solution, you could uncouple the loco, pull it forward, spawn a new one in behind it, and couple everything together again.
I don’t know if this works. I couldn’t spawn anywhere around my active train, as the track was taken. The spawn indication was red… There was enough space in front of the train, though
I am going to have to try this schedule. Would think, once you had a clear signal, pull forward far enough to be past that signal, uncouple the lead loco and spawn in behind it and then recouple the lead loco to the new loco and train. Will it work, who knows, but it is always fun to experiment.
I tried this, but as I said, the spawn indication was red, as the track was taken by my own train. I can only assume that the track is occupied until the next signal behind me?!
I was thinking about going that way, but don't know if these German locomotives are set up with the banker com like US locomotives.
German banking works using data transmitted through a cable throughout the whole train (ZWS/ZDS etc...), not using DPU radio comms like US. Btw, Run8 nicely simulates the transmission time, so your DPU will react with a delay on control changes (even sometimes losing connection when part of your train is in a tunnel or behind a hill).
Most BR 185's (Raillion, MRCE, Railpool) have radio banking capability in TSW. It was introduced for Main Spessart Bahn banking operations. The DB BR 185 (from Ruhr Sieg Nord) doesn't have it. After connecting, just press the red banking comm button on the left radio panel in the lead locomotive and you're set to go.
Just out of interest, the banking comms in TSW simulate the radio connection between the two drivers? So when I have the banking comms "enabled" it basically means that I remotely control the pushing locomotive too?
basically yeah... thats how I set up my 146.2s in sandwich formation when playing them on this track... and like, hell yeah, two 146.2 make for a nicely accelerating monster
I was wondering a lot about this. When I drove the top and tailed 146, I found that there is in fact a banking switch on the 146, but it didn't seem to matter if it was activated or not. To me this makes sense because there should be communication through cables; but then why does the 146 even have a banking comm button? Also when I attempted AFB I noticed it only affected my loco and not the trailing loco. But, then I thought that this is most likely prototypical, because no cab cars have AFB either. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of German locos can shed some light on this. In any case, my appreciation for FTF has increased due to these novel (for TSW) situations.
It is not prototypical to rl, but in TSW it is normal. It is "Kennlicht" to indicate it is intentionally switched off. You can see your actual exit signal showing Hp1 in the distance... RL would be the other way around, Hp1 on 209 and Kennlicht on the rear one.
PS5 / Scenario "Test Train" Yet again an completely underwhelming scenario with pretty much an empty route. Not even a Single ICE-T or at least one freight train. But thats not the worst point about it, coming from Gelnhausen into Hanau direction, knowing that my DB Cargo Vectron has no LZB (despite having a LZB switch ?) Ive driven into the LZB section when suddenly LZB activates but instantly gets me into a LZB end procedure. This LZB end procedure stayed on for the whole lenght of the LZB section ! And it would have actually allowed me to go 200km/h even of my trains consisted of 11 Dostos which are obviously limited to 160. Absolute nonsense.
DGS 44661 (14:12) from Hanau to Fulda also exceeds the weight limit with a weight of 2427t Edit: Nevermind, it goes from Fulda to Hanau, I can´t read apparently... The "Trassenfinder" shows a weight limit of 2500t with a Vectron for that direction so that service is correct the way it is
I also noticed that in the preview stream they mentioned DB Vectron being PZB only, and then I did a casual freight on Vorarlberg with it and while everything was fine, I was wondering as well why it does have LZB switch and if it is used at all in-game
I did a run with the DB Vectron on FTF yesterday and the LZB worked without any problems, so I guess they didnt remove it, or it does indeed have LZB in real life
PS5 console It may have already been mentioned here .... I noticed that with Dosto CabCar services the taillights on the rear loco don't come on in case of DB 114 shift and have to go and manually turn them on, which is quite unfortunate, not much time before departure either ..... But when loco DB 146 is at the end, its end lights are on. In case the services are controlled by AI, the taillights are normally active on 114.....so it must be some error in the loco 114 setup
In the attached video, I learned that the PZB magnet is active when leaving the depot. It is located there to test locomotive security systems.
IC_Locfuehrer has a great channel. He has announced a video with the ICE-T too soon (see his reels). Looking forward to it!
played this service: with dosto cab car... from the bit of route knowledge I have for this route, I know the usual approach speed to Frankfurt Hbf is like 40 kph... but here is the thing - starting the service, I first got 2 greens in a row, then a yellow one I can see on track monitor but not when looking out of front window... so I start rolling and of course I get a prompt I can release PZB, so I do, and start accelerating towards 70 that it shows me as a limit... by the time I get to the third signal, I go around 60 kph... I acknowledge the 1000 Hz but instead of letting me brake quickly it goes into Zwangsbremsung immediately like, ok, the track monitor shows me stuff, but at the same time I only want to use it as a kind of hint and follow the signals that I actually see in front of me... why doesnt it give me at least a couple seconds to brake from 60 lets say to 40? is it an issue/bug or just me being a bit dumb ? or... what should I do? I mean, hud shows speed limit 60, upcoming 70... since there is sun shining into my face and such, I cant really see the yellow on the third signal... so if I am going like 50 and having previously released PZB, I am getting instant Zwangsbremsung... is this the case where you just shouldnt release in the first place (and thus you would go 40 anyway) or the one where you release PZB and then hit 1000 Hz and get a Zw.? here is the pic shortly before departure: any advice? I mean, I usually release when the game shows me I can...
An EZ 51825 freight train has accidentally entered the turntable at Hanau station, blocking the path of another train. (PC)
The TSW timetable / datatrack system cannot handle complex timetables anymore it seems. NY Penn Station is jammed each time I play a westbound service on LIRR. Munich is broken. The whole TSW thing is overengineered. Zusi shows what is possible if you do it right.
I have no idea how DTG managed to ship this broken timetable as I see no way how this could simulate with success in the editor. The log would've been filled with 'later than expected' errors and most importantly would've been shouting that not all services completed successfully. Was this rushed out knowing the timetable was broken? The route is great and provides a lot of fun if you have a service that you can finish, but this is such a pity.
The "PZB Helper" HUD thing will only tell you whether or not it's technically possible to release, not whether or not you're allowed to. You're only allowed to release when: you have, beyond doubt, recognized a proceed aspect with a speed limit of 30 km/h or higher, and you aren't expecting any 1000 Hz influence in the next 550 m. If you're leaving Frankfurt Hbf and haven't made out what aspect the exit signal is displaying yet, neither of these two conditions is fulfilled.
I believe with some services the HUD shows 40 kph around that point anyway... but thanks for your advice as well ... I believe I am fairly good at PZB but sometimes, especially on new routes with different layouts and such, I get surprised by stuff like this anyway, if you release prematurely and then get a signal with yellow, with upcoming red, there is a good chance of Zw. right away, correct? (I guess this one doesnt give Zw. right away, only 45 kph restrictive mode, cos it is after two greens)
