Class 465 Overly Used On Sehs?

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  1. WaveyDavey

    WaveyDavey Well-Known Member

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    Apologies if this is a known thing but I tried to search for the issue but found nothing.......


    I have the 465 add-on but recently when driving anything on SEHS pretty much every train going the other way or in platforms/sidings is a class 465 and I seem to get class 375 rarely (thinking about it if actually at all?).


    Anyone else notice this or have the same issue?


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  2. 1dart Mart

    1dart Mart Well-Known Member

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    I’m on Xbox series x I’ve not noticed that but it’s been a while since I used the 465, used to be my favourite train. Hopefully someone will have the answer as I’m curious now. :|
     
  3. WaveyDavey

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    Cheers...... It's not just when using the 465.... I can be driving the 700 or 395 and pretty much every, if not all, AI train I see is a 465
     
  4. 1dart Mart

    1dart Mart Well-Known Member

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    I’ve done quite a few runs with the 700 and there are a few 465’s but I’ve also seen 395’s and 375’s. I’m going to have to have a go tomorrow now to make sure I’m not seeing things that aren’t there lol. I’ll report back if you don’t get a resolution tonight. :)
     
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  5. WaveyDavey

    WaveyDavey Well-Known Member

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    I still get 395s appear it's just the 375s that now seem to be non-existent.
     
  6. MAX1319

    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    So from Darford to northfleet station besides a couple of ECS moves for the 375, the rest will be 465. From gravesend to Strood you will start seeing the 395 mixing in. And finally in Rochester you should see 375,465,395. And the 700 if you have you would see from Darfort to Gravesend. I’m assuming this is on TSW3 correct? If this is on TSW2 the disregard what I just said
     
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  7. 1dart Mart

    1dart Mart Well-Known Member

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    Yes, TSW 3. Everything you’ve said seems spot on with my recollection, although I wouldn’t have been able to run the place names off as easily as you have. Thank you. :)
     
  8. 1dart Mart

    1dart Mart Well-Known Member

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    I think Max has got it nailed. Maybe try some different journeys in line with the places he’s posted. If still no good you may need to raise a ticket.
    Ps there were some updates for SEHS a few weeks back, I’m presuming your up to date with the patches ?
     
  9. matt#4801

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    Is less electrostars for more networkers something to complaint about? Not in my book it isn't! ;)
     
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  10. AtherianKing

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    I’ve seen the odd 375 whilst in journey mode doing 700 timetable stuff lately, quite a noticeable lack of them though, seen quite a few 465 and 375 and the odd 700 each run.
     
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  11. Krazy

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    I've seen a fair amount of 375s, they primarily just operate the services to from London to Dover Priory. The 465 is very much common on the Gravesend to Dartford part of the route (it's mostly just 465s and 700s on that part), with the occasional services going beyond Gravesend to Faversham. But going past Strood (towards Faversham) it's mostly the 375 that I see personally.
     
  12. WaveyDavey

    WaveyDavey Well-Known Member

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    I just drove from Faversham to Sittingbourne in a 395 and had five trains pass in the other direction. 2x395s and 3x465s (two of them 8-car and one 4-car)


    From what you’re all saying I’m thinking this shouldn’t be the case?

    This is in timetable mode on the PC Steam version and using the SEHS Full Timetable option.

    Game is also fully up to date.
     
  13. Joethefish

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    Were you driving during the morning in Summer?
     
  14. Der Uni

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    I compared both 375 and 465 in the morning hours.
    Class 375: 117 Services on SEHS complete Timetable
    Class 465: 229 Services on SEHS complete Timetable

    While the Class 375 have 4 till 5 tph, the Class 465 have a huge more Services within one Hour
    I marked the same Services for both EMU´s.

    Class 375 vs Class 465.jpg
    (This picture shows only a small part of the available train services each)

    The 375 operate most of the time between Faversham and Rochester, while the 465 operates most between Dartford and Gillingham.
    Both tables show the exact same Amount on Services (40), while the Class 375 Services showing 10 o´clock at the bottom already, the 465 Services ends in this example shortly before 7 o´clock. So you will see much more of the 465´s because this EMU has twice the number of Services than the 375.
     
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  15. SubwayRailfanner

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    Yeah I been seeing way to many 465s over 375s. I noticed this a few days ago.
     
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  16. MAX1319

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    I'm not sure if this would have anything to do with it. It just might be a coincidence. On 8-1-23 there was a DB update for
    the label southeatern BR Class 465. Don't know is this DB is in game or not or if is just named that way covering something else.
    So it mentions this DB was initial created 6-23-22 which is much later after this DLC actually came out so. could be nothing to do with this.

    upload_2023-8-8_10-49-42.png
     
  17. Fawx

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    The real question is, how many of both train actually operate in real life? Are the numbers accurate? Or is one of them over/under represented?
     
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  18. james64

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    I've only been in SEHS territory irl a couple of times, but both times I saw barely any 465s. I'd go so far as to say it's immersion breaking seeing so many in TSW.

    As I said though, I'm not local to the route.
     
  19. TimTri

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    Is that in the Epic Games Database? Very puzzling that a 465 DLC depot is still being updated as the train was added to the route itself with TSW3 and should thus no longer exist as a separate entity.
     
  20. MAX1319

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    Yea I was wondering the same thing. Also I had mentioned that they had added under category "Spthidden"and spthidden/seasonpass" for the DB listed below. These look to be for pentadecagon (TSW3). They were updated on 8-1-23. I had mentioned this before but i guess most figured was nothing. This was done the same day as the announcement ,,,,,,,,,,
    upload_2023-8-9_9-41-44.png
     
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  21. TimTri

    TimTri Well-Known Member

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    That’s wild, this combination of DLCs doesn’t really make sense in a season pass as many of them are already released. Perhaps they’re going to offer a bundle with all the DLCs providing layers to the new routes so players can easily get the full experience? That still doesn’t answer why this season pass is suddenly connected to TSW3 though, because other leaks are pointing at a completely new game. So confusing! ;)

    Edit: Had another look at some old threads, and it seems like the Smithfield name (supposedly TSW4) first popped up in early June: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/unnamed-depots-in-the-steamdb.65202/page-2#post-661887
     
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  22. Bradley

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    Hello all, as someone who lives on the sehs line in real life it is common to see 465s in sidings and back in 2019 when the timetable is set it was and still is common to see 465s in action (although now we get 375s on the sheerness branch) Alas back to the game, I get a real mix of 375/377 action as well as 465 I think dtgs random substitution is at work here
     
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    As an update to this:
    465 - mainly on Dartford to Gravesend P0, very few go beyond Gravesend (I think two per day in the summer), also a very few runs from Victoria (so joining the route above Strood on the CML coming from Meopham) and go either to Gillingham P1 or all the way to Faversham
    395 - Joins just West of Northfleet off HS1, goes all the way to Faversham
    700 - Dartford to Rainham P0, occasional late night and weekend ECS moves to Gillingham depot
    375 - Most CML trains other than those above are 375 so they should be four per hour in each direction I think...
    FREIGHT - Only between Dartford and Hoo Junction or Dartford and The Medway Valley lines. No regular freight paths on CML at all
     
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    Chatham Mainline, I think.
     
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    after a long time i wanted to drive the class 465 on sehs but there are only 11 services with lenght form 3 min to 24 mins ?
    that wasnt before if i remember right..did they changed that ??
    im confused lol i payed for that dlc a long time ago
     
  28. jack#9468

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    All Dartford to Gravesend runs, some between Rochester and Faversham, some between Dartford and Faversham, ECS moves to/from Gillingham Depot use the 465. It also subs in on a few 375 services.

    That should be the case.
     
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  29. aeronautic237

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    There should be a lot more than 11 services - have you deselected any layers by chance?
     
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  30. 5cip

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    jack#9468 hi
    i think it must be a mod conflict because i see now also in BML i dont have services like377 and other trains...
    the question now is which mod..
    still looking into it
     
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    now i have all services back but i dunno how i only deleted some timetables for Eastcoastway and 3 sub mods
    but in BML now i have only class 465 class 166 and class 66..
     
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  32. 5cip

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    ok now i know why
    it was the southern class377/7mod which was outdated.
    now all routes are back plus more :)

    cheers and thx
     
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