Just Trains - The King Of Third Party!

watching the preview stream of Preston Carlisle , and I. AM. SOLD

where do i even begin

From Blackpool Branches,
Scenery Quality? just as good , Route Length: Increased, Service and Loco Variety: increased!

They have raised the standard, they have ticked all of the boxes, and most importantly, they've made sure the quality is as great as possible, they have used unmatched passion, and have delivered their promises.

it is clear, that this is a third party, for the community.
this is a third party who wants to deliver the best.
this is a third party, who has shown that they can be trusted, and have a good reputation with the playerbase!

the 87 in itself is an expert loco, with an engine room, and loads of circuit breakers. the detail they have put in it, is fantastic


watching this route develop, from day 1, to now, has been brilliant, they have interacted with the community more than any other third party has, they have delivered their points straight, they have been up front and honest.



one tiny issue, the mountains, they are not the best, but to me its not a dealbreaker, and its one flaw out of 1000s of positives, no route is perfect in my eyes.

before everyone starts slandering, this is a different case from what rivet would do. this is sort of like irl, rivet has scenery like this everywhere, and its not accurate to real life, with JTs case here, it is like this irl.
its a small price to pay. for such a large route


but this is small, what they've done is produce a route over 100 miles, that in itself is an accomplishment, and should be praised.





Thank you all. and as for JT, ill be buying you a cold beer from the shop later!

 

Isn’t that how those mountains look in real life, bland, no trees, no grass

 

I completely agree. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

Rivet Games need to look at this route and hang their heads in shame.

 

they hit rivet with a 50 piece combo, no drink, no sides, no bev, they absolutely OBLITERATED

 

im buying this, look great, great atmosphere on route, Dovetail must take notes...

 

It is bloody gorgeous. I do think that this says a lot about JT and the people who make up JT. The passion is so evident and really nice to see.

 

Thats correct they are seems like bald headed in reality! Its looking a bit wierd and i have no clue why they are without trees on it

 

Fantastic stream. Clear the JT have a lot of passion for what they do too which really came though in the way they answered questions as well.

 

They saw the state of WCML S on release, and were like “alright bet.”

 

I must admit its bizar stunning and i love to drive the class 87 in the near future. Its so a cool machine. And the scenery is top notch. Thanks JT team!!

 

is it possible for everyone to just spend a while appreciating this route before starting to have a go at failures elsewhere?

 

Nothing short of a absolute masterpiece. Every part of the route looked utterly amazing. It's quite clear how much effort and eye for detail has gone into this route... JT are certainly a top tier content creator.

I was absolutely blown away by the 87 and Mk3As...

 

I must say I have been quite dismissive of TSW 5's release given the poor state of the WCMLS, but JT may be the ones that convince me to finally bite the bullet! Well done JT, the route looks absolutely smashing! Kind of want them to continue on to Glasgow at some point in the future, but only time will tell.

 

this looks to be the first part of TSW5 that i will spend money on, definitely looking forward to it despite having little interest in west coast things. might not be a day 1 purchase but it will be a first day off work purchase for me

 

It seems not, Rivet lives rent free in so many people's heads on this forum!

 

I really wish Just Trains can bring in more British electric locos in their next route after Over Shap. On the British side we desperately needed locomotives for a change, especially ones that are still in service like in the modern day. We can finally stop abusing the Class 66 for once. Class 87 is a nice change because none other developers had made one because the game is so MU based.
Now just gotta wait them releasing Class 86, Class 89 to Class 91 then we be gold.

 

Look at Morecambe, then look back at St Ives or Penzance. The Rivet criticism is fair imo.

 

Comparing an ultra modern route to a much older one doesn't seem too fair,

 

It's fine to be on Cloud Nine over the route if that's how you feel.

But it's a bit tasteless if not unseemly to celebrate your elation by taking cheap shots at other developers, especially DTG. I mean isn't it their game you're playing?

 

in this case it’s actually fair, as they are both BR era routes. Just different developers.


if it was something like Arosa against this route, that would unfair as it’s completely different.

 

You’ve made fair points here and I acknowledge them greatly, but hear me out.

The reason I am bashing is because developers need to take notes from what JT is doing, and really learn from them. Developers need more passion, instead of churning out rushed content, just like WCML S or any rivet route for that matter.

it is also reputation, if you have a good relationship and communicate often with the community, like how just trains is doing, the community will appreciate what you develop more, JT did blogposts for example. Rivet on the other hand, if I’m being honest, don’t do it to the same extent as JT.

how come JT, a small group of developers, produce a 100 mile long, stellar route, but a group of 100 DTG Employees struggle on a 50 mile route. It is different, I know, but the passion is clearly missing.

same goes for rivet. Take Luzern for example. They fell behind on a 19 mile route. And rushed it.

I’m sorry, but watching these developers sometimes fall behind, is sad to watch. I hope one day they catch up with JT. If, or Whenever that will happen.


Moving on from that though, JT did a good job. And I hope they can start their next project soon. And also set the standard for routes in TSW

 

Depends on what you want from your third party. I saw a bit of the stream and while the route looks really good it isn't a route I am chomping at the bit to buy as I am not interested in the Length, engines or era. This is only a personal choice mind and if you are a fan of that era then I can certainly see why anyone would be hyped for it. JT look to have done a really good job.

 

Do you think it is a case of other developers doing too much and going for quantity over quality??

 

to put it quite simply, I would rather wait a year for an incredibly polished route, like Blackpool branches to release, than a rushed route made in 5 or 6 months.

 

I'd agree it seems to me that some other developers seem to bite off more than they can chew.

 

God I really hope so. That would be epic.

 

It may be the case, but its not a one off incident.

 

Watched the entire stream and loved every second of it. The level of detail is amazing. The night lighting at Carlisle Station was truly stunning by the way. Probably one of my favourite parts of the stream. Definitely has a nice 80s feel to it. I do hope JT will keep going up to Glasgow someday. Would love to see what they can do with Glasgow Central in the 80s even though the one DTG made is very well made too.

 

I meant more so that WCL is TSW2 while WCMLOS is TSW5....

 

The two people from JT on the stream came across that they knew what they were talking about. I remember the DTG WCMLS stream which was absent of any interesting information, and much of the discussion was on the blatantly obvious. "Over to the left is the Watford DC line."

 

TSG has been making a huge impact on German content for a few years now, so it’s nice to see a UK 3rd party deliver amazing content. Now all we need is a US 3rd party and we’ll have the trifecta.

 

This looks really good!
British rputes are not the things I buy and drive but I‘m really happy for you guys that you are getting such a masterpiece!
I really hope that Rivet do what they do best now and put their focus on Swiss routes! We have more than enough third parties from GB now so I think that having one to focus on RhB for a bit of time would truly be amazing.. I do have my hopes high for the December announcements- maybe they announce something Swiss then for January (like Bernina last year)?

 

Why "bash" as you put it? Why the need to denigrate someone else's work when celebrating another?

Bare in mind DTG release several routes a year and Rivet also release generally at least a couple a year. You are comparing a TSW5 route to a TSW2 route. Rivet were the first to bring narrow gauge and a route out of the main three countries.

This route will be my favourite as it is well made and my favourite era, despite the annoying layers but I don't need to compare it to others to see how good it is.

It seems a bit puerile to use a thread celebrating one developer to set people against others.

As said we wouldn't have this route without DTG in the first place.

 

And did they do it good?


The whole point of this thread was to praise JT. I’ve had my fun, and it’s time to move on. I admit, I started it. Now I’m ending it.

 

Well, yes, compare an official developer (DTG) who do several routes a year at once + strict deadlines (obviously, the quality will suffer greatly) and an unofficial developer (JT) who is not limited by anyone and they do at their own pace and dedication (and such developers will do as well as possible) ... It seems to me that it is not entirely fair to them up like this/

 

All I’ll add to the foregoing is this should be a template to aim at for all DLC developers going forward. Even if you don’t hit that level, you can only improve by setting the standards higher. And DTG need to be instrumental in the process by no longer accepting any old tat for publication in the host sim, as they ultimately still control what is and isn’t suitable for release.

Obviously each developer is different but certainly interesting to consider this masterpiece from JT has presumably been largely done by people in their spare time, grabbing an hour or two here and there in addition to their day jobs (has visions of Tom on his laptop during a break in between driving trams from Starr Gate to Fleetwood). DTG on the other hand are using staff in a professional studio who have eight hours a day to devote to making something backed by a team of artists and 3D modellers also working full time. So they should have equal if not more capacity to do it as well as JT.

Anyhow looking forward to this route, certainly going to drag me back off FS25…

 

Just Trains have blown it out of the water again the route is incredible definitely a day one purchase for me

 

Just a shame that Dam stuttering gets in the way

 

Can't wait for them to do something with a class 91 (hint hint)

 

US definitely needs a JT like 3rd party developers to really make US content shine especially getting freight content back in the groove

 

There’s a toilet in the Class 87. The taboo has been broken. Route of the year, day one purchase haha

 

Watching the stream last night and I did notice a couple of niggles that I think is down to the game itself and not JT, sounds on the 87 seemed to cut out for about half a second almost as though on a loop, and at (I think) Oxenholme a passenger had sadly fallen through the platform.


But those aside, I was blown away by what I saw, the 87 is incredible and I can't wait to get my hands on it, it looks beautiful and sounds gorgeous. I love the long rakes of passenger and newspaper trains, I loved how busy Lancaster station was with a passenger train heading south, an 87 in the far platform, a 142 and 101 stabled and a pair of 142s in the bay platform.

Lune Gorge was stunning as well. I like that we can finally put tail lamps on the back of rakes and the propelling service at Carlisle with the Bardic Lamp got my attention (It was mentioned, not shown) and I can't wait to drive that one.

I loved that Matt and the team showed us what happens if you don't drive the 87 properly but how easy it is to get it up and running again.

Compared to the last stream I watched (WCML south) which was a disaster, this was a utter triumph and the 26th can't come soon enough for me. I'll be clocking watching until 10am on that day.

 

Yes JT work needs to the template for all TSW routes for the future. Comparing them with some of the other 3rd party devs is night and day, (literally in the case of the WCMLS). There should be no place for substandard or lazy work at the price bracket the dlc's are at now. I am also delighted that the release date was postponed for a few days to make sure it's polished. This should be a standard response to avoid rushing out a sub standard route which costs more to fix in the long term..

 

It IS a fair comparison; the deadlines are self-imposed (or at least were, now they might be under Focus pressure, but even before that, they did it to themselves). If a tiny team can deliver such a banger once a year, a DTG-sized team should be capable of multiple bangers a year, but we get what we get. And even if all that is put aside, at the end of the day, the price-quality-content ratio is what matters to the end customer, and that is a big win for JT despite asking slightly more money.

It is completely valid to look at this and ask why someone is capable of delivering so much more for just 4 extra euros. And it is then completely valid to criticize DTG and Rivet in comparison to it. Not every route needs to be a gigantic busy mainline, but both of these fail in basic quality checks. Yes, it is fair to point at them when we see this.

 

Anyone know what the clicking sound was at the front of the train by the way ??. Heard it a few times when Matt left the train to walk around the stations.

might seem like a silly question to some but I’m not clued up with old school trains lol.

 

That's the spirax valve ticking away. A spirax valve keeps water and moisture out of the air system. They're commonly found on MUs like 318s and 320s or locos like class 47s and class 90s. Driving Van Trailers from MK3 and MK4 sets also have a spirax valve too.

 

Oh wow that’s pretty neat.

 

JT trying to show off their masterpiece while TSW stutters and hitches in its usual way. I couldn't watch the stream for more than a few mins at a time because of it. I can partially ignore it when i'm driving because there are distractions, but when watching someone else it stands out so much.

I feel bad for JT.

 

I can’t fault the route, scenery or the Class 87!

It was incredible and I can’t wait for the release date (although it’ll be the Thursday for me as I’m away!) Even though modern image 1990’s-present is more my thing, this route again sets the bar and the variety of 87/MK3 rakes was a fantastic inclusion.

My only criticism like above seems to be the stuttering from the stream, not a fault of JT by any means, it’s a core issue. But there were a few times where I thought, ouch that’s bad!

The only thing I’d love to see now is some of the gaps in the WCML filled in modern image or otherwise. Preston to Crewe would be nice!