Route Wcml Preston To Carlisle - Feedback Thread

You also need the Spirit of Steam DLC. Flying Scotsman is a substitute loco for the Jubilee. If you only have Scotsman, the railtour won't appear.

 

Did you press the pantograph/reset button on the console? It is the upper left one.

 

Yep, did it several times. No joy.

 

Finding layers frustrating. I'm not going to buy a certain steam route which I don't want just to be able to do some of the shunting activities.
Just an opinion but routes need to start coming with a lot more of their own DLC.

 

Is anyone else having the issue where they do conductor mode on a service and end up with no ticket checks at all? I keep trying different services all the time.
If anyone has successfully done a ticket check on a timetabled service (I'm on PC), please give me the headcode so I can try it.

 

Definitely something off with the scripting when it comes to restoring a save game with the 87, whether it's the situation you describe, just having to knock the controller to off as it doesn't retain the power setting or the brake applications. It's becoming a bit of a niggle and I can't believe no one at JT or on their beta team didn't check how the loco would react under a save/load situation.

Edit: Just reloaded my save game with the 87 running with AWS isolated and no brake application. Couldn't say about the tap changer as it was off at the time, but I bet my boots that would work properly. So this is probably where JT need to start looking.

 

Just a request for anyone from JT reading this.
When you do a patch, please could you add in some more paths for scenario planner that would be ideal for AI services.
I want to do a scenario but it could do with more AI paths at Preston and (especially) Carlisle to help make the area busier.

 

The 04:24 mail service 1S24 Leicester to Glasgow Central with Class 87 terminates immediately with a "Service Failure: Vehicle Derailed" message.

 

Some pretty dodgy scenery up by the Maryport side of Currock … hedges not on the ground, looks like some weird hedge loops in the sky off in the distance in the Dalston/Maryport too…

 

Small spelling error:

Middlesbrough only has one 'o', between the 'r' and 'u'. Error is present on the 101 and PIS boards.

 

It's also present on the 142 as well, with me living near Peterborough and knowing other places like Loughborough I assumed Middlesbrough was the same.

 

I think you probably already know about the level crossing at Bare Lane station? If you ae traveling from Lancaster we approach Bare Lane with the station signal at red. As soon as it goes green to depart the level crossing opens as we depart.

 

I spawned on foot at Carlisle at 16:25 for a couple of hours to chill and watch the comings and goings. After a couple of hours I though't I'd catch the 18:37 down to Preston, however it never turned up! I caught the 19:02 (or 19:07, can't remember exactly) to Oxenholme, I noticed it very quiet with nothing heading North, a quick a look at the map and I noticed it was gridlocked down South, nothing was moving, there was some sort of Mexican stand off, think it may of been an Intermodal service causing the issue. Will need looking at

 

On my PS5, I've not encountered the level crossing issue at Bare Lane in either direction.

 

Fantastic route, well worth the money. The scenery and route building has a particular richness and depth that is very hard to describe but is lacking elsewhere, someone has clearly spent a lot of time, care and effort on this and it shows. Great choice of route, hardly a dull moment really, especially with the 87. The jounrey mode seems to be well structured and thought through with good progression.

Anyone know if you are meant to start braking before the tap changer has run down fully? I know from the real manual that someone posted earlier (thank you) that you can put the power handle directly to off but it's not clear if then you can start to brake or if you have to still wait for the tap changer to run all the way down?

Some things I've noted so far.

• The real world manual advises against braking through neutral section but this isn't mentioned anywhere in the manual or tutorial. I would be nice to have the neutral sections in the minimal hud. Even just annotating them on the map in the manual would be nice.
  
• 'Southbound Liner' you don't seem to have any sort of speed limit, I assume the wagons would be limited to 70-75mph but the HUD suggests that you should be doing 110. Other scenarios such as the sleepers (like 1S07) have a lower limit of 75mph for the whole route.
• 1S80 & 1M35 in 'power trip' the weather is absolutely insane. Starts snow in June, by the time I had keyed in, it was raining then bright sunshine!. Both then swap wildly between torrential rain and summer sunshine every 30 seconds or so.
• The snow spray effect glows toxic green on 1P63 (and I assume elsewhere). This however is a fantastic run.
  Spoiler

  bad weather, stopping service routed behind two freight services, yellows everywhere, extended running under double yellows.
  Ended up over 20 mins late but enjoyed every second.
• Would be nice if the signals would clear before getting the close doors prompt, but this is also the first route I have noticed the illuminated 'off' indicators on the platform which is nice.

 

Unique to the class 87, this locomotive is fitted with a power/brake switch on the train brake handle which means that as soon as you move the train brake handle away from ‘Running’, traction power is cut and approximately 500 amps of rheostatic brake is applied. Once the tap changer has completely notched down, normal rheostatic brake performance will resume.

 

Nice to see you still responding Benedict. Have we got an ETA yet as to when the first patch will be ready? I'm hoping for next week.

 

Not quite sure if this belongs in the thread, but just finished a run and at the end it put the AP into TVL.
I'd resumed from a save.

 

Thanks for mentioning Southbound Liner, I have also noticed the HUD speed is not accurate and only reflects line speed. Of course this happens a lot in TSW in general, but for this particular route it seems to be pretty accurate, save for this case. The toxic glowing snow spray effect I feel like is more a core TSW issue. As you said the route is fantastic; driving 1 or 2 hours feels great, as opposed to some other routes where driving 30 minutes can feel tedious.

 

So I bought a map of Tees Valley and even though two layers of BR37 and HEA Speedlink were activated..... I can't see anything anywhere......

 

I had read that but totally missed the point the first time, thanks

 

The Tees Valley class 37s only run the 6M61 Mossend to Clitheroe service from Carlisle to Preston, and has a split service from Preston to Carlisle for the return journey, giving a total of only 3 workings.

The HEA hoppers only appear in consists of other services, mainly anything with "Speedlink" in the description.

I hope you didn't expect a ton of additional services when you dropped £20 on Tees Valley, or you are in for a world of disappointment.

 

PC Player on Steam.

1Z31 with a class 31 Locomotive - 14:42 Stone Scratcher Part 4

Spawns you to random places on the map, not onto a train.

 

Has anyone mastered the change ends procedure for the Class 87? I always seem to have issues getting the brakes released after changing ends.

Would be nice to have instructions in the manual like they are for the Class 101

 

Even if we finish the patch next week it needs to go through a testing process which could take a few weeks before it is published.

 

The DSD valve is still inoperable on the class 47, its as if there isn't a hitbox for it.

 

In the end you wish to shut down:

• Pace the train brake into shutdown and release the loco brake
• Move the reverser handle into off (if not already done)
• Remove master key
• Turn the "Change End" switch to off [on the rear wall]

In the end you wish to set up:

• Turn the change end switch to on
• Insert master key
• Release train brake

You should then be able to select a direction and take power.

 

PC Player on Steam

6P27 with a class 47 - 07:48 Shap Quarry to Carlisle

Stuck waiting exit onto the Mainline, nothing on the route ahead but signal refuses to clear

 

It was deactivated intentionally.

DTG Matt answered a post about it a while back, but I can't remember which thread it was in.

 

Don't rush it

 

This.

Might as well wait and release the patch in January 2025, instead of trying to rush it out before Christmas and break things.

 

Thanks for the reply, I was at least expecting something to be added there -...... but nothing happened to me, although, as I wrote, two layers were activated, one of them is called Speedlink ..... but maybe something will appear somewhere during the journey

EDIT: About four Speedlink trains were added to loco 87 ...with HEA cars

 

This has been happening with every route with layers, might even be a bug going back into TSW4. From what I was told last time it came up, the AP is being credited under the hood correctly just the end of run report is wrong. But DTG should be fixing it.

 

Ah, I just thought of something.

For the 6M61 timetable service to work, you will need to buy the Class 31 loco DLC for the PCA cement wagons.

 

Thank you! My mistake was that I wasn't pushing the brake handle far enough and was leaving it in emergency rather than shutdown.

 

Oh well ..... well then I have no idea what the BR 37 DLC layer actually means ..... thanks for the tip

 

Had this at Preston tonight. It was some time after 6pm, I was waiting to drive a short DMU service into a siding and saw this on the external camera.

 

Make sure the brake pin has been removed, cannot put the train brakes into shutdown otherwise.

 

Prototype DVT in game!

 

I finally got around to drive the 87 for a quick spin earlier today, it didn't go well

I left Carlisle and forgot about the neutral section so the passengers had a bit of a jolt , it's a bit different from the TSC 87 so was getting used to things so was falling behind time. On the approach to Penrith, the neutral section got me again but I lost all power and couldn't get it back, managed to crawl into the station with just the one carriage on the platform! I take it the passengers were not happy and IRL would of had to have a meeting with the manager for a chat and a cup of tea

 

I noticed this text that can be found in two bathrooms at Carlisle (but only at this station). Any clues what that could mean?



Also, in Morecambe, you can sit on one of the toilets in the Gents bathroom

 

A spoof on the, ahem "adult service" messages these sort of premises tend to attract, perhaps.

However 24 and 25 is intriguing, could it mean a Sulzer Type 2 in the near future?!

 

Yeah that was my initial thought aswell, but the "model railway gear " makes it seem like some sort of easteregg. I was looking around the whole map trying to find a working phone to "ring" the number haha

 

Can confirm loading a save game, even with AWS isolated, still sees the tap running down even though the power handle still in hold.

 

Another save quirk is that if you save with the 87's ETH off it's on again when resuming.

 

The most glaring issue is that there desperately needs to be some HUD indication of neutral section locations. We shouldn't have to memorise them- it's a game. If we get indication for signal locations there's no reason to not have the location marked for these.

In the meantime, can anyone please tell me where all of them are?? I've driven the route several times now but can still only half remember the vague locations of them. I was shocked that the locations weren't mentioned in the manual- surely it's more vital information than the multiple pages detailing the buildings they modelled that you'll never see while driving!

 

What's the issue? Memorizing? Why?

You see this sign, you RunDown. Don't stare at the track monitor, it makes you dumb. Jeez.

 

Taken notes on a northbound run (will do southbound later) and the distance is to Carlisle from Preston.

Between Preston and Lancaster
Warning sign: 71 Miles
Start sign: 70 miles

Morecambe North Junction
Warning sign: 57 miles
Start sign: 56 miles

South Oxenholme
Warning sign: 43 miles
Start sign: 42 miles

Tebay
Warning sign: 36 miles
Start sign: 35 miles

Penrith (just north of the station)
Warning sign: 18 miles
Start sign: 17 miles

Carlisle (Upperby)
Warning sign: 1.3 miles
Start sign: 0.7 miles

 

No worries, by the sound of it that was an issue that some driver's faced as it's in the DRS manual for their fleet of class 87s in case a driver couldn't get a brake release.


I can't find the exact link for this manual, but there is a BR era one for Class 81-87 locomotives available online: http://www.locodocs.co.uk/brmanuals/81-85-86-87General-33056-102-1985.htm

 

Are there hidden services on the route? I just have finished service for class 45. It started at 10am and was 2 min long shunt from the platform in Carslile. Then I didn’t quit to the menu, stayed in free roam and finished another 2 services in the same loco (basically shunt back and coupled to coaches). I’ve earned medals for all services I’d finished. Then I left to the menu and opened the timetable for class 45. There was only one service displayed, the one that I’d started with. And there are no other services in the timetable around 10 o’clock I might have chained the service to.