London Overground Mildmay Line: Stratford-willesden Junction Discussion Thread

There is nothing wrong with a player going on a discussion thread and saying that they don't want to buy this route. All opinions should be welcomed by others even if you don't agree.

 

Shocked to see UK players annoyed by route length lol.

 

I will second everyone who has mentioned the fact, that cutting off routes at akward points is becoming a thing in TSW now... I am also really concerned by this. TSC will remain king for long routes (and merges), it seems.

 

Disagree. If you put your product in a public spotlight it's open to criticism...

I fully understand why people come here to criticise and it's completely valid. You can't just be told what you want to hear, feedback is essential for future releases. And making it clear that releasing a chopped variation of what is a very short route in its full state isn't a bad thing... Is it invalid to criticise and feedback that players want full routes where very short, self contained, end to end routes are concerned? No it's not.

The 378 does look good, I'll compliment it that far. But anymore then that I can't comment on as I've not seen it's soundpack or physics.

 

I certainly don't want to knock anyones confidence but come on, this isn't just short, it's half the route and going to get quite boring quickly.
Whats the rush with getting these routes out.
Take the time and bring out something that people are happy to pay £30/35 for.
Looking at the JT over shap route, that is the quality people will start comparing things to now and shows that it is possible so if people put out sub par content then the community isn't going to be happy about it.
I'm not saying the quality won't be good as it's too early but a short route like this isn't going to get much favour from people.
Like I say good on him for creating a route by himself and I genuiely wish him luck but having half this route just seems an odd choice to me.
If it's to cater for the Consoles then maybe developers should be looking at PC only available routes where we can get the full experience instead of being held back because of the commitment to keeping console players happy.

 

Well then take the time and do it.
Nobody is in a rush to get these routes.
I know id happily wait an extra 6-12 months or whatever it is to get a full quality route.
New routes are always welcomed but the trend of constantly cutting relatively short routes anyway in half just disappoints people.

 

Fair enough, I retract my statement about it not being a solo project.

 

I think it's important to note that not everyone is a fond for long routes. Someone like me who loves commuter routes prefers the services available as well as the variety. For a service that already has 8tph during the day and 10tph operating during the peaks, this will be one of an interesting route to drive. Yet alone the verity of adding freight traffic, meeting SEHS on the throat at St Pancreas as well as Stratford and Willesden Junction.

 

This route will have roughly 10,000 services (including ai)

that’s double the amount of services London commuter has. The timetable makes up for it.

Richmond - Willesden is a boring section anyway

 

The problem for me is that TSW isn't really set up to do commuter routes well. Stuff like the fact that distance to your objective is calculated based on distance to your seat just annoys me.

 

I suspect a lot of people got expectations up from the community creation thread that this Dev did, it was a very expansive project.

These routes also always get the same reaction as they’re short & that’s all that seems to matter to a few people. Of course with London commuter lines they’re usually short but dense & will still hit the most popular gameplay time of 30-45 minutes.

That being said, the cutting short of an overground line is always going to be a negative factor, if you push everything else aside just for this one point, you do have to realise that this will realistically mean we’re now never going to see a full NLL. It’s also going to be a constant caveat when this route gets recommendations.

Bringing other points back in though, this is going to be a very urban line & will also bring in the 378 which is quite versatile for London centric routes. This dev is also looking well on track to bringing really good detail in the world & genuinely gives me hope for a good cityscape, something I think TSW has really struggled with so far. Whilst personally I do prefer a route which is self contained & end to end, that doesnt really leave me with a lot of options in TSW & it’s just one of those factors I need to be realistic about. Plus in this instance, from what I’ve seen so far, this is a very talented dev, let alone for a one man band.

 

The full line is only 17 miles though. The full line isn't a long route. It would only be an extra 5 miles from Willesden Junction to Richmond

 

It may have been smart to start with another line, but WJ is at least a consistent end point for services, rather than having some cut off there with others going fully to Richmond or CJ.

I absolutely can't blame him for avoiding Clapham - and leaving that out but having Richmond would leave the same criticism as before.

There's nothing in the 'London' thread to indicate that he's put track down for the whole thing, so this will probably be the full package.


Anyway, there's an Q&A over on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/155N56YCEg/

What I can see so far is:
- 710 substitution for 378 (player)
- Hinting at railtour

 

Yeah but in its full format it's not a long route is it , cutting a big chunk of it off doesn't make sense.
Yes it's a built up area and I appreciate it's more work then other areas but why cut it off there?
Its going to get boring quickly.
At least with like suffragette you could do continuous end to end runs.
This just seems an odd choice to me but I hope it goes well for the guy.
I don't underestimate the task especially on his own.

 

Being a fan of the suffragette line, buying this route is a no brainer.
The route is very familiar to me also, travelled on it many times. Prefer modern locos and it’s set in London. All the boxes are ticked for me.
Day one purchase.

 

Why don’t folks just give the poor dev a chance to explain and show what he’s gonna do, instead of absolutely tearing into him like a pack of wolves about a tiny little compromise of the route.

People are forgetting this is a SOLO dev, a singular person, doing a route of this scale. With a new train

you all need to calm down if I’m being honest…

 

I seriously don't understand the hate for the route length, especially for a solo developer who has just done a whole train by themselves, a timetable with 10000+ services including AI and scenery with so many custom assets from what I can see. why do people expect so much???

 

Nobody is tearing him a new one. They are giving their opinion of the product and have every right to point out or complain about the length of the route or any other issues they may have regardless of who made it. Just because it was made by one person doesn't mean people can't have an opinion on the length regardless if it's positive or negative

 

The title is discussion thread, that's what people are doing.
Its not all going to be positive.

 

I have been following the development thread of the developer and excellent it looks too, especially considering it is by a solo developer.

However, personally the great thing about these routes, like the Goblin line, like Cathcart etc are the fact you have complete services where you can complete one journey and drive back again. When it was suggested that this route was being developed it didn't occur to me it wouldn't go from Richmond to Stratford. I always support new developers but I can't say if I will be purchasing this route, I shall follow developments before reaching a decision. It would be a day one purchase no doubt if it went to Richmond and I would be happy to wait for that to happen.

I do wish the developer all the best though.

I do feel that some of the language on this thread (and others) seems typical of the hyperbole and drama on here, I think it is disingenuous to use phrases like half baked as if little effort has gone into the route!

 

Oh I hadn't realised that there are 18 stations in the route. I imagined it more like the Suffragette Line.

I am certain that even if DTG did the full route, it wouldn't have the same quality as doing half of it.

Also, fair play for bringing Stratford into the game. That can't have been easy!

 

Literally the reason the game exists.

 

I feel like DTG is pushing for the full LO network in the game. First the GOBLIN, then the DC lines, now the NLL, albeit in a short form. Maybe we get ELL next?

 

I hope we get the Liberty Line soon(!)

 

I'm not an expert in this matter, but I'm pretty sure, given the number of services, number of stations, and the urban landscape make it more difficult than a route with less than that.

It's a big undertaking even for a team of people, never mind someone doing it on his own!

 

Having a small route like this can be a really help for performance, especially on the series s, PS4 and Xbox one

 

How many services may I ask?

 

If we were talking about an extra 50 miles id understand but it's 5 miles, surely in the grand scheme of things it's not going to cause a massive delay of the route to add the extra.
Yes it may be a lot of work no doubt but it just seems like a bit of an unfinished product cutting it off early.

 

8 trains per hour each direction (from what I could find anyway).

 

First of all it is incredible that this route has been created entirely from scratch by just one person doing it all on his own. Looking forward to seeing some more screenshots of the route.

 

I’m questioning if gen8 can run this route, especially with that amount of services

Even without the layers, it’s still gonna struggle

make this gen9 only imo

 

TEN THOUSAND!

How has this tiny stretch of track got 2x more traffic than London Commuter?

 

It connects with and traverses certain lines like the WCML so I assume much of that is AI traffic on those other routes.

 

10,000 services is pushing the limits of TSW, that’s actually insane

 

10k services on Gen 8 be like:


More seriously I think it’ll be reduced for Gen8. Hats off for the dev who’s done this route by himself with a brand new train as well.

I hope to see more from him and like ATS, they’re starting slowly but surely with a short route, so they can ear experience and deliver us bigger routes in the near future. Will the 378 come with the new Overground livery ? I don’t mind doing it on the livery editor but if it comes with it’ll be cool but I’m asking too much lol.

 

It also runs 10tph in the peaks.

 

Yep people forget it's not just the line itself it's several mainlines with tons of traffic that add to the service count. The freight diagrams are insane on this route also

 

I don’t think gen8s running this one. Sorry to be that guy.

 

I reckon gen 8 could run the base route (class 378 and maybe freight), but given the detail that should be present in an Overground route, I wouldn't expect more than that.

 

Don't know much about this line so can't comment. Except to say that if we had someone in the US who had mastered UE4 and created a 12 mile short line with lots of detail and pick up and delivery etc., I'd be very interested.

Those of you in the UK who are spoiled by having a bunch of 3rd parties already, should count yourselves lucky that you have one more who's willing to pick up the ball and run with it.

 

Hah, yeah, all 3 stations worth :')

 

Obviously, gen 8 would have to have a reduced timetable for that as well.

 

Hope we get it with another route eg. c2c or Greater Anglia or by itself for extremely cheap.

 

If someone has not seen it (explanation about such a short length)

 

That 10K+ figure is staggering.
That’s all the playable 8tph services, the whole WCMLS including Underground and Overground there, the MML + TL at West Hampstead, the MML + SEHS at St Pancras, the ECMLS at King’s Cross, the other ai Overground services along the way and then all the freight in between. Imagine what the layer count would be if we had GA and Elizabeth Line stuff too..

 

Is this the guy who started making the whole of London a while back?

Bit disappointed in the length but it's still gonna be a day 1 purchase.

 

If its free then the criticism is unwarranted but its not going to be free so people can complain or voice their concerns.
In my opinion DTG really need to stop this nonsense of sanctioning half routes etc….its not in the games best interest going forward!

 

Yes it is.

 

I would be interested to know at what point a free time project turned into a commercial one. Was it Johannes choice or did DTG ask him to produce something? It’s an incredible undertaking for a one man band!