Xbox My Take On The Fife Circle.

So, what do i think of the fife circle after a few days.

It actually looks good. I read its has visual updates which is a reason i bought it now, oh and its on sale. Hehehe.

The 170 diesel sounds are really good, the announcements are a god send. Need to be in more trains. BUT the running sounds am hearing, it sounds like a 314 when moving above 20mph, even slowing down it still sounds like a 314. Kinda weird.

The timetable is a lack luster. Its just to quiet, i know there is ai trains at east side of the waverly, but needs to be more ai services in a whole, There needs to be depot moves also, to bring trains into service.

A reworked timetable would be a plus also. Please.

Also there is a piece of track between winchburgh tunnel and dalmany that can be used for services or even freight.

My score 6/10 definitely room for improvement.

 

It actually looks good. I read its has visual updates which is a reason i bought it now, oh and its on sale. Hehehe.

The 170 diesel sounds are really good, the announcements are a god send. Need to be in more trains. BUT the running sounds am hearing, it sounds like a 314 when moving above 20mph, even slowing down it still sounds like a 314. Kinda weird.

The timetable is a lack luster. Its just to quiet, i know there is ai trains at east side of the waverly, but needs to be more ai services in a whole, There needs to be depot moves also, to bring trains into service.

A reworked timetable would be a plus also. Please.

Also there is a piece of track between winchburgh tunnel and dalmany that can be used for services or even freight.

My score 6/10
Skyhook are just round the corner with timetable and the crusty but lovely 158.
I think this will improve playability across the now good route.
I think once the 158 gets the update and extra and expanded timetable , it'll be good value for money.

 

Ooo. Nice. I shall wait and see what its like when that happens. Cheers

 

Yeah as mentioned above. Skyhook are doing a timetable for the 158. That will make the route feel more alive. I’m really looking forward to it. Plus that livery they have done looks absolutely amazing.

 

Nice.

 

Just to be clear, was this a failed quote?

 

Indeed,I'd somehow managed to quote 3 times.
Got some probs with my hands;after a motorbike accident.
As somehow managed whatever this is.
I'm not a social media type, only like this forum.
It makes me laugh.
Ah yes, another successful post!

 

Ah, I apologise. I wasn't aware - I just hadn't seen a misquote like it before. Normally, they look like this:

 

I also bought the route because of the scenery improvements and the added Leven branch.

• The landscape looks great now - there are definitely tons of TSW4 and 5 era routes with worse scenery, so any huge criticism in this area is clearly not really warranted anymore. There are just a few big streets and motorways without traffic, would be great if that got remedied.
• The timetable is also not that bad. There are tons of different services with different routings and end points on offer, and you encounter quite a lot of AI trains. But they need to sort out whatever is going on with the 385 layer. The scenery is almost 100% there until Linlithgow (some of it strangely got removed with a recent patch), but we can only drive the tiny bit between Edinburgh and Haymarket. Either make the services fully drivable all the way to Linlithgow, or remove the otherwise useless scenery in that direction to save us all a little disk space. Same goes for the strangely fully modeled, but completely unused Winchburgh line… add some freight/ECS moves on there, or just remove the scenery and focus on the playable areas.
  • I also reckon that Skyhook will further improve the timetable when the 158 is properly added to the route, similar to Edinburgh-Glasgow. With its timetable enhancements on multiple routes and selection of liveries, the ScotRail 158 would then finally be somewhat worth the high price. I’ll still wait for a sale though!
• There are a few notable remaining bugs, mostly centered around the lack of track sounds on the 170, a few inaccuracies with the new Leven branch (stopping points etc.) and signal/speed board inaccuracies. I hope they do another patch that fixes the major issues the community has encountered and shared in the feedback thread. But it’s definitely already much better than at release, and if you’re driving with the HUD active (so 90% of players), you won’t be affected by the signal and speed board stuff at all.

Overall, it’s definitely very very enjoyable, and just a few bug fixes (and perhaps Skyhook’s improved timetable) away from being a genuine contender for a top TSW route. Unfortunately though, the community will always be biased against it because it’s a Rivet product. They’ve really made some nice improvements and are not getting the credit they deserve. Meanwhile, improvements for other routes that were flawed at launch as well are getting praised to the skies.

 

No apologies necessary Aero
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I'd managed to report myself a few months ago,in another hilarious moment.
Have a good weekend

 

• There are a few notable remaining bugs, mostly centered around the lack of track sounds on the 170, a few inaccuracies with the new Leven branch (stopping points etc.) and signal/speed board inaccuracies. I hope they do another patch that fixes the major issues the community has encountered and shared in the feedback thread. But it’s definitely already much better than at release, and if you’re driving with the HUD active (so 90% of players), you won’t be affected by the signal and speed board stuff at all.

This part i agree with. 100% am glad someone decent is doing a timetable for it, which should have been rivets job.

 

The only problem is Steven,
Are they going to fix the remaining issues,or leave it as it is?
The route is much improved,I think we'd had a hope, the 170 got a proper overhaul also.
It feels so strange to operate now,as if it's floating along, instead of riding the rails.
It's a shame, because it's such a lovely route.

 

I think it’s a decent route now.

Regardless of who makes a DLC it shouldn’t be the case that it has to be improved after release. However it was and in this case Rivet kept their promise to improve it. Which is a departure from their normal procedure of release it, make a small patch and abandon it, so credit to them for this. I’m quite enjoying it now. Now let’s see if they follow it up with more fixes.

I still think Rivet are capable of doing some decent work. I don’t even think they’ve released the worst DLC. That honour goes to Skyhook for the 187 in my opinion.

 

To be honest i say no, but they may prove us wrong.

I noticed that, the 170 hardly moves. Its quiet static in movements

 

It's the season of good will to all.
If you read this Jasper;
Could you and your ladies and gentlemen take a look at the 170 and a few bits please.
It will be much appreciated from fans of the Fife circle.

 

Typical Rivet.Still loads of incorrect scenery. They have had the opportunity to correct it, but clearly didn’t bother. If Just Trains had produced this route it would have been a hundred times better.

 

I was almost tempted then read the 170 sounds are still in a state and we just know there is no way Rivet will fix those up. So sadly will remain unpurchased, even in a sale.

 

The 170 sounds aren't that bad. Definitely not bad enough to make the train or route any less enjoyable for me.

 

OV unfortunately l foolishly bought it as well as others like WCL, but l never play them. They speak out to me of shambolic unfinished products, where as the Just Trains routes of Preston to Blackpool and also now to Carlisle oozes of quality from the beginning to the very end and are certainly worth the money. In comparison Rivet routes should be freeware, as there is no comparison with a Just Trains route.

Tune into Train Sim TV on youtube or twitch on Monday December 9th at 7.30pm where you will see what quality routes look like. These really put a Rivet route into the amateurish standard as far as l am concerned. Of all the third party designers Rivet are by far the worst in the game to date.

 

Which is a polite way of saying they're not that good either.

Alright, I'll give Rivet Games a little credit and say the route is in a better state than it was (I'm not driving through misplaced trees on the tracks at 100mph anymore), so they fixed a few things at least.

There are still a lot of bugs that haven't been fixed though (AI class 170s only have one working headlight at night, holes in tunnel ceilings and OHLE missing everywhere), so we will see if they get patched when the class 158 comes.

Rivet Games still have chance to restore some good will with their customers. It all depends on their next patch, but I'm not holding my breath for a miracle.

 

They're supposed to only have one headlight on?

 

No. They have two headlights.

Day headlights are main beam on the right, marker on the left.



Night running is main beam on the left, marker on the right.



Fife Circle class 170s have their right marker light switched-off at night, which is incorrect... and something else Rivet still haven't fixed since release.

 

Yeah, I'm not saying the sounds are good, but they're at least passable. They at least sound somewhat like the real thing.

 

I believe that the station signs at Burntisland, have been corrected from Glasgow Queens Street at last, but you still cannot get the flower planter collectable at Linlithgow. The wrong station signs were more than a school boy error and typical of Rivet’s careless and shambolic attitude to their work.

 

I've enjoyed what I've played after the update and the extension is nice. I'd still say though that the state it was released in was not acceptable. 6/10 is a fair score.

 

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Ok, that set's using the day setup for some reason but I'm still not seeing your point

 

Is it that you're on about? Odd it worked on the AI out of edinburgh but not the one going in.

 

So in other words... errors That are so minor that 99% of fans won't even notice them?
Is anyone but a diehard affecionado going to know the nighttime running rules of a Class 170 or the exact engine pitch?
This forum has a weird sense of scoring.
If you scored say a 90% in school, it'd be weird for people to say you're "almost failing" or "barely passing."
"You got two questions wrong on the test this week, RIVET!"
It's a fine route in my opinion as someone who has never been to Scotland or ridden on a Class 170.
People rag on Rivet pretty good here with a passion but I think they did a decent job and need to be given credit on when they don't screw up.
That's only fair.

 

We had a teacher who classed a C or below as a fail - officially, D or below was a fail.

 

Had a professor who gave all students no better than a "B" because "students would get too proud of themselves if they achieve too high of a grade. It's to keep them humble." He could do it because there were no metrics in his class. No multiple choice/etc. Just essays. So he could subjectively say they all "sucked" and not have to state why. Just that they "weren't good enough" in his opinion.

 

It's in a much better state than it was scenery has improved yes there's still issues which need sorting the timetable will be better once the 158 is out I really enjoy the Leven branch

 

It's a thoroughly decent route now. I didn't think it was quite as bad when I bought it as some of the comments made out. The timetable was the main issue and probably still is.

 

Wouldn't call myself a die hard affecionado, I work with them enough to be able to tell if the sounds are incorrect or not.

Also, 90% is quite far off a pass mark.

 

I’m not sure being given credit for “something they didn’t screw up” is really the way forward when the item is being paid for by a customer? Surely if money is changing hands that is the baseline. Slightly strange logic there.

 

To be honest, ‘giving Rivet credit for the things they don’t screw up’ sums up their TSW offerings pretty well.

 

I thought you had to have slightly warped logic as a entry requirement to enter these virtual halls.........

 

bought it on sale last friday. played it for half an hour. refunded it. so many other dlcs that are better value for money

 

Interesting. What prompted you to refund before you could even complete a single full-length service, let alone explore the full route?

 

I live like 10 minutes from the line. For example the houses at aberdour station as heading towards burntisland, are to small and wrong colour.

 

Is this decent now. Apologies if asked before

 

That's my point.
How much of the player base lives on the route to live it first hand?
I daresay it doesn't matter to me what color your neighbor's house is.
I'll likely never be stopping by for supper to see it myself, so it's irrelevant to my enjoyment of the route.
While technically you can say it is or isn't "accurate", it's also irrelevant to the gameplay experience.

 

Yes, pretty much.

A bug is a bug.

It doesn't matter if it is something minor or something major, the fact that it exists shows that either the developers internal QA screwed-up, or the developers decided to push the product out of the door regardless.

Letting minor bugs, like non-functional headlights, go unreported today, turns into DLC releasing with more serious bugs tomorrow, because the developer will think nobody cares.

The people who complain about "nitpicking" today, are the first to start ranting and raving when their favourite route crashes to desktop tomorrow.

 

This is increasingly becoming a “I’m having fun with the route” vs “nooo the wrong AI headlights are illuminated and this house has the wrong color” discussion. Perhaps we could get back to discussing the route as a whole instead of focusing on tiny details (for the record, tiny details also need to be fixed in a certain other 3rd party developer’s highly acclaimed recent release, and no one seems to mind).

 

It's a lot better than it was, and at least Rivet Games came back and patched the route, unlike the abandoned WCL and Edinburgh to Glasgow routes.

I would say wait until the class 158 drops in the next patch, and then see what bugs remain, because that will probably be the last time the route is ever touched.

 

shocking scenery. inaccurate sounds. poor timetable

 

It's better, although that's probably scant praise indeed.

The scenery is absolutely rotten ("missing" Queensferry Crossing and an abomination of an "Airport" at Edinburgh). The sounds are also all wrong on the 170.

The 158 has been fun to drive on Edinburgh - Glasgow, so will probably try Fife Circle again when it arrives on Timetable there, but - in my opinion - there are many better routes out there.

As somebody born and bred in Dunfermline, it genuinely pains me to dislike the route so much.

 

So basically what you're saying is:

"Well, I don't care what the hell the route looks like, because I'm never going to see it in real-life anyway."

Nice attitude bro. I bet you are fun at parties.

 

A bug is something malfunctioning and unusable. A house that isn't the right color could arguably artistic license.
As for the "correct" headlights... if it's policy (which it is since not all of them operate the same pattern) then it's again very route specific and not even noticeable to the vast majority of players.

I think an "issue" that 99% of people won't see is not the same as a complete game crash.
It's like equating wearing the wrong color socks with your slacks to a heart attack.
Not two similar things at all.

It is indeed "nitpicking" and while it can be mentioned IF the developer wants to go back and change it, it's also NOT a big deal in the scheme of things.
As I said, it's akin to berating an artist for not using the "proper color" in a painting of a scene.

As usual, I can only suggest you see things from their perspective too. Suppose they came to your job and constantly criticized every little thing overly dramatically such as how you load the copier or the font you used in a memo or that you didn't park your vehicle exactly between the lines in the lot.

Try going to the grocery and telling the stock person that "everything needs to be shifted to the left one shelf because that's how I think it should be and I'm a customer so I demand you listen." They'll tell you "no mate, it'll take hours to do that and won't change much" and you'll just huff and say "well I want it, so you have to do it for me since I'm a paying customer!"

 

How about an apparently completely missing 683ft high bridge? Or an international airport that looks like nothing more than a blurred local hub?

It can be dressed up in any way people please - it is a feedback thread after all. However, in my opinion the scenery in this particular route is abysmal.

Just need to look at the care and attention to detail that developers like Just Trains put into even the smallest of side-streets, yet Rivet can't even get the major stuff right.