Wcmls Major Update (december 2024)

Also laggy around WFJ.

AI 390 still has forward pan up rather than rear

Just had a 350, 1W02, stop at WFJ. It’s 4 cars. Could be intended, but thought I should mention as I can’t remember if anyone said anywhere which headcodes were meant to be 4 car.

Audio looping from 0-45 still very present and painful on 390.

 

WT 3143 signal aws horn sounded despite green

 

Hi DTG Harry - PS5 user here...game hasn't crashed around Euston for me, but all traffic held at red signals at the station throat.

 

I wanna know when will there be an update to fix this problem

 

Liam's hardwork looks really good and full compliments to him for this... So I am an in no way criticising his work which I'm sure hasn't been published correctly. So this is not a pop at him, just to make this clear.

But talking from my PS5 experience, how has it come that there are still some missing services in terms of AI, missing items etc... How was it, that the update seems to be published in partial and for it not to be realised? I understand some things don't run perfect out of the box, but it does seem odd how many errors there still are, whilst the update seemed thorough and good on paper and in images. Quite a few noticeable issues are still present as well as a few new ones... It seems its actually created more issues? I'm just curious how this can be? Are updates not conclusively tested to make sure they are the most upto date? Why is the most recent update seemingly partial? There still seems like there is stuff missing.

I appreciate the communication through our and acknowledging the issues, but it does seem the execution of the update has been very hit and miss.

I was really looking forward to the update so I'm quite sad at the state the updates have only updated partial parts of the royte. I've every confidence in Liam's works, and if fully implemented how it should of been will be fantastic... I just don't know who actually give the current update the green light, it seems very hit and miss, and it certainly doesn't fulfil the hype or the upgrades promised. Unless I've completely missed something please feel free to correct me? I'm sure going forward though, when Liam's work is published in the correct state it was meant to be, everyone can finally enjoy it...

I think the safest bet for me at the moment is to leave it a few weeks again and revisit it once more bugs have been ironed out.

 

1R06 just before Leighton Buzzard I noticed on the map the 390 was going 89, targeting 90 in conductor mode. Then changed to target 110. I think it may be following non-eps speeds.

 

Yeah it happens for the pride pendolino skin on CC

 

Yeah, they’ve said that the 125 eps stuff needs more testing and will be updated at a later point, along with the other stuff we’ve seen or read about!

 

I'm on PS5, service is 1Y17? I'm stuck at a red light just south of Chedderton as are all services upto Leighton Buzzard. Nothing beyond LB and i've been here 10 mins so assume a bug!??

 

How do I know how many services I have on PS5, because I have 794, but I don't know if it's real since Matt posted that there was a bug that the game miscounted services.

 

2T23 conductor mode spawns you at Tring rather than EUS.

 

Am the creator of that livery. Later today I most likely going to disable all my Class 801 & Class 390 liveries from popping on AI trains to avoid the stuttering. It came to that point where am annoyed with this issue myself. If this issue still exists in the coming years I will only disable liveries on high speed routes.

 

I'll have a go on PS5 later but worth noting that they did say for consoles at the moment you may have to be selective with layers until they've done more performance enhancements. Not ideal but you can't say DTG didn't warn about this. The updates to this route are really WIP until the new year.

I'll make sure to save just before and after Euston as I recall that was a fix when I tried to play it on PS4 before upgrading.

 

About to fire it up on the potato (PC) and see if I can finish my DC Line run from Stonebridge Park into Euston. Will report back shortly...

 

Deleted offending train and got going again.

On the same service passengers got off at Leighton B and just stood still in the doorways. No issues at Bletchley though.

 

Fast travelled to EUS. Train packed with passengers, good. But upon departure I’m told to wait for the next stop! No ticket checks :/

Very pleased to see back cab signal buzzer working though. Would be even better if the driver gave 2 back.

 

That's a shame, really good livery btw

 

Arrived at Harrow and Wealdstone. The train is approx 1 coach too long for the platform, but all doors release? 12 car service.

 

Got to Euston without incident and able to finish the run - 11k AP for the December Mastery, thank goodness.

However from Queens Park inward, performance dipped sharply. Very juddery (not the isolated stutter and sound squelch we are seeing on other routes like Shap), textures blurring in and out particularly the track but also bridges, the cab interior and the inside of Euston station itself. I do not recall that being an issue pre update.

Also one to mention in passing, once again we are getting objective markers placed virtually on the buffers with a very small trigger radius. In the case of 2C42 going onto P9 stopped about 10m from the marker and didn't get the Open Door prompt. Had to virtually kiss the buffers before the station stop was recognised and able to proceed.

Anyhow, about to try a 350 run and see how that fares.

Edit: Just loaded into a 350 run and first thing I notice is the station lights at Euston flickering... And the blurred textures are there with a vengeance.

 

Did they reciprocate

 

Anyhow continuing out of Euston on the 350, textures blurring in and out including the retaining wall at South Hampstead.

As suspected, Primrose Hill tunnel architecture hasn't been touched, nor have those repeating textures with the darker triangle section. Only now they blur in and out which they didn't do pre update.

So my conclusion is, while the new timetable is good, whatever was done to the route hasn't addressed many of the original issues (like shonky architecture and poor texturing) and actually made it worse.

Oh yes and departing Euston on the Down, still get an AWS Code 2 (horn instead of bell) at a green signal climbing Camden Bank.

Sorry to say but while appreciating some of the work that has been done, the route itself is still a mess and after I complete this run for the AP, will probably be returning to the rarely played category.

 

Oh and to top it all, just had a "one under" at Harrow and Wealdstone with the Class 350 doing 110 MPH on the Down Fast, person stood - or might have been slightly suspended in midair - on the four foot. Great stuff, DTG.

 

Another thing regarding the 350, it's twice now that I've been put into some sort of "infinite traction lock" where essentially the unit dies on me and is unable to move. I experienced it yesterday at Harrow & Wealdstone, and just now at Hemel Hempstead.

 

It did that before, if you resumed a save game at a station stop while the doors were still open.

 

i had the same going nortbound on a fast class 390 service, really not good to see this

 

I was so looking forward to this what DTG said would be a awesome update cause things will be fixed and instead I'm stuck with a route that crashes every chance it gets, blurry scenery and the trains are awful to drive to say the least user inface doesn't show correct amount or jobs looks like I'm back to mml a route that's pretty good and hopefully they can sort out this mess sooner rather than later. Sorry the negativity.

 

Is this with the updated PC mod installed or ‘vanilla’ DTG update mate?

 

Vanilla. No mods installed that would affect WCMLS, not even the lighting/environment.

 

Got this error message after trying to spawn at queens' Park using Microsoft xbox pc store. I've removed all mods as I had the WCML EP pack. but unfortunately my game keeps crashing in certain areas when I spawn into the game.

 

Just want to add 05:30 service is Playable since it is the only one to stop at Watford and Milton Keynes

 

I haven’t tried this ‘updated route’ yet because I’ve not had time. However if the route still is crashing and just isn’t reliably working (and we are having crashes with Preston to Carlisle too) then does this not suggest that TSW5 is (regrettably) not fit for purpose?

 

Have to say. After playing the route when it first launched and its many issues. This has route has been an absolute flop and mess.

 

So I'm a bit confused about this new timetable, which freight packs do we need for all the freight to appear? All Skyhooks packs?
I presume there's a list of all the layers somewhere.
Also, is this Faux's timetable? I vaguely recall Faux was doing work for DTG re this timetable.

 

I really like this livery, thanks for making it. Is there a way of disabling it as AI but allows me to drive?

 

I have every faith DTG are commited to fixing this route and will. I just think that unfortunately WCMLS has been plagued with issues since release and now the updates haven't got as well as planned.

Matt and the rest of the team have communicated throughout this incident, so I sincerely appreciate that and it really sits well with me...

Am I frustrated? Of course read my previous post. But I'm also impatient as I know that when this is fully fixed and with a fair few updates planned over the next few months I'm sure this will be awesome.

It's just really not having the best time at the moment, so for now as I've already mentioned I'm going to sit back and leave it for a few weeks and see if when I return it's up and running as it should.

 

I honestly believe this wouldn't of ever happened if Rivet weren't given the route.

 

Seem to have gone quiet now though, whether it’s the blurry textures or the people on the track at various locations.

Got to wonder how this got through testing, do they even have any real railway people on the beta team as to me even the hint of a “one under “ should be a red flag? It was already present but now happening at multiple locations it seems. But while that is a major issue it’s not the only one, how the hell did the changes to the route make things go from bad to worse and as for the tunnels… Looked like they were made by an 8 year old in Roblox, let alone the textures.

 

I'd imagine there's only so many answers they can give before it becomes a case of repeating the same things, so I get it to some extent.

As I said in a ranting post of mine a few hours back I was disappointed and confused how the update has been published, and how it was allowed to be released in the state that it it has, particularly if it was tested beforehand and had no indication players would only get a partial update to the route. It's very surprising to say the least...

However, I will say, I genuinely believe it's been a genuine error on DTGs behalf. Although I'm very frustrated with it (and impatient!), I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt this time round and give them time to 're-update' it as they've communicated and been open and transparent so far.


WCMLS has had such bad luck. First released in a terrible state only to be teased with really good progress and overhaul images of the potential update, for them not to work properly... I have a mixture of frustration and feeling sorry for them.

I do find it odd how the images and teases from the update look perfect, but how whoever put the update file onto consoles updated only partial elements of the route, really confuses me.

I have every faith in Liam's abilities and hard work, it's now down to whoever is responsible for releasing only partial parts of the update to sort it out...

Maybe tomorrow we'll get one along with the wagon pack? Or maybe it might be a week or two. Will have to sit and find out.

For me though I'm already frustrated with it, but this time round I'm just going to leave it as I have done, until I see the updates are working properly from other players.

Some Whyte & Mackay whisky, and a model of a 1:18 scale Metropolitan Police Rover P6 to keep me distracted this evening...

 

Thank you! Yeah I just disabled the 801/2 and 390/1 liveries. Will only be player selectable going forward unless the issue does get resolved in the future I will most likely reactivate them if they do fix it.

 

Yes I'm not having any gameplay issues and the route does seem busier.

But you can't unsee those tunnel walls, looks like the wallpaper is peeling in parts.

And, if I were a real driver, the wonky AWS would be driving me up the wall.

And the 390 does 0-60 about as fast as an F7 loco going uphill.

 

Fair do's on that one Liam, but to be honest it's the "one unders" that are really bothering me. I can't in all honesty bring myself to play a route which replicates someone standing on the track as the train approaches. I appreciate these things can slip through but approaching a station at 110 MPH and seeing that is quite a shock.

Well that and the texture blurring which only seems to have arisen with the route updates.

 

Also on the 350 the Panto up/vcb light switch is on continuously. Noticeable driving at night, dont remember this before the update. This is on PC. Also noticed the door closing sounds are not always audible when doors closed selected from the cab and viewing out side the train.

 

Had a quick look after I got back from work and the amount of services have definitely increased and I've got the 710/3, I'll have a proper blast tomorrow but so far so good

 

Liam, I have to say I love the amount of communication you have done and you have put your hands up with the mistakes, as I say we are humans at end of the day no matter how qualified you are, their will always be mistakes. Not everyone will pick everything up but when you got the community to help you out as their is 1000s of us its make it easy to fix those errors and mistakes.

Btw Liam when I can in my freetime would you ever want me to find the missing 390 services or have you already got a team for that?
Love helping and its a route I thoroughly love and with my Number 1 favourite train the Class 390.

 

I'm also on PS5, just completed this service successfully, no red lights for me. I do not have the Pendolino DLC, maybe that makes a difference.