What Next For A Remaster?

Speaking as a UK railfan, I'd imagine the other countries would like a chance at a remaster.

Mainland Europe have had nothing except Dresden-Riesa, and North America have had nothing since Boston-Providence.

 

I’m fully expecting the GWE remaster to have huge performance issues on PS5 and will come with the now standard advice to disable layers, possibly even the laughable advice for the WCML update that more or less equates to disabling everything other than the train you want to drive. If it does, and I can see how it won’t, I won’t be nominating any other older routes to be brought down to the standard of TSW5 content. I’d rather they still worked.

That’s my thought for the day and now, like TSW5, I’ll go all fuzzy for a while then crash back to the homepage. Bye.

 

Has he officially said this? Shame if true. Well for NTP, I hope DTG and JT can come to some arrangement where JT not only give it a total remaster but also an extension so it becomes a new JT route to purchase and will happily pay £32 for it.

 

Understandably. To me it sounds like this. DTG boss says: Do these remasters, but we won't pay you for this. There's no evidence in numbers that this attracts new customers, and those who already paid for the route - well we got what we wanted from them.

 

Liam

Thanks for all your hard work, you have added a new dimension to older routes, and I am sure your efforts are appreciated by many

 

Rivet’s WCL is by far the worst route in the game and I agree with you, trainsimplayer, that Rivet won’t even bother.

It wouldn’t take a lot of work to make the scenery, even on the St. Ives Branch line, look accurate and more acceptable and l hope someone will eventually take it on.

As it stands at present WCL is by far, well off the excellence of other developers routes, which makes WCL look extremely amateurish and totally shambolic! WCL is both extremely disrespectful, not only to the Cornish residents but to the TSW game itself, and needs either withdrawing from sale or totally revamped!!!

 

The difference between that and West Somerset is night and day really, hopefully West Cornwall will look like west Som soon as it is an equally gorgeous route and much longer of course.

 

DTG Liam. Sorry to hear that you won’t be attempting anymore remasters. But can l say a huge thank you for everything you have done on West Somerset one of my favourite heritage lines and for everything you have done for GWE. You certainly have improved the quality of these routes, which improves the game. Thank you so much for all your effort and hard work which is very much appreciated by me and l am certain all the TSW community.

 

Add my thanks too to Liam for what he has done and please don’t take the criticism of WCMLS and its ongoing issues as being directed towards yourself. There are major core issues affecting routes across the board, especially the much vaunted WCMLoS. Some of the issues WCMLS suffers from such as the poorly made tunnels should have been thrown back to the original builder(s) to rework.

Perhaps at some future point you will reconsider and DTG should take into account the wider goodwill this type of exercise generates from the player base and think about making it part of an ongoing routine. Maybe even reconstitute something akin to the Preservation Crew.

 

Wondering if after the GWE Remaster Liam could be leaving? SonicScott91 and myself talking about it.

1. These remasters are taking their toll on him.
2. DTG have told him to stop it because they don’t want to give away these things for free anymore.
   
3. Liam’s leaving DTG after his work on GWE is done.

Hopefully the 3rd isn't the case but can't really blame him if you're the only one in the team putting effort into remasters, should be a team effort not a one person job.

 

l agree and l hope he isn’t leaving DTG, as the work he has done is absolutely superb!!

 

I recon it’s one of the better looking routes from TSW2, something like an NTP, the Arosa line or an individual loco dlc needs to be worked on first.

Edit: Its unfortunate to see Liam stop the remasters, but I would personally like to thank him for his work on this game and I wish him the best for his future endeavours.

 

+1 for gratitude to Liam (GWE is the only route I use that will have received attention).
+1 for the return of the Preservation Crew

 

I am sure you have gathered this from all the feedback, but they are really appreciated and you have installed yourself forever as a saint on here for your hard work. As Vern, I believe, says above don't take the WCCL feedback as a reflection of you, it does look much better now, but there seems to be something deeply rooted in it which makes it horribly choppy and the scope of the route really were not right to start with.
Look forward to GWE's release mate.

 

You don’t have to answer, but do you know if there are any remasters in mind and if DTG is bringing back the preservation team?

 

Ah wonderful Liam I totally understand it and you have just done a stunning job and all on ya own! Bloody Incredible! After WCML and GWR you need a well deserved rest! No worries for the Kind words you thoroughly deserve it!

 

HRR and MSB are two I still keep going back to and would like to see with TOD4 and busier timetables/more static stock. HRR especially due to its current, hazy TSW 2020 lighting. However, the route that is most glaringly in need of a scenery rebuild, and is least likely to get it, is no question WCL.

 

A massive thank you to you Liam for your commitment and dedication in working on these routes in your own time. You’re a huge asset to DTG.

 

DTG Liam Would you accept Bribery for remasters?

 

I think it utterly disgusting by both DTG and Rivet to not commit to any remasters or major patch improvements by releasing it in a state leaving one brave person to do all the work. Fair play to Liam for working on WCML South and GWE, I'm personally looking forward to the GWE remaster after not touching the route since TSW2. Should be time now for all future DLC content releases to be suspended if it means fixing the current game from bugs to patches as well as timetable recasts. Looking at you WCML South and East Coastway.

 

Cash upfront lol

 

Tom said on the last Just Trains YouTube stream, that they have no intention of remastering NTP or any other DTG route.

https://www.youtube.com/live/3bfDRMy3lfE?si=C8ww8UBtvKLi6q8n

Basically there is no financial benefit in updating another companies DLC.

 

Yeah, back when they said they couldn’t do it was due to gen 8.

 

So pleased that you are not leaving DTG.

 

And when Gen8 is dead, DTG will think of another excuse not to remaster routes. My guess is they will either blame XBOX Series S, or they are waiting for Gen10 before committing to anything... But they will always think of something.


DTG are the masters of moving goalposts.

 

Out of curiosity how viable do you feel it would be for a third party to do a remaster or extension for routes developed by DTG? I see a lot of people wishing JT would remaster the NTP line, or incorporate it as part of a new route given their recent efforts in the 1980's. Would be curious if you have any insights if that sort of thing would be possible.

 

I would love for someone of the German side of DTG to make a remaster of Ruhr-Sieg Nord. That route is such a vibe. Extend it to Siegen, include Iserlohn branch, TOD4, new timetable with loaaads of local freight workings... I would even buy it at full price again.

 

With everyone now asking for this or that route to be remastered, makes me think that the routes in the first place couldn’t have been that good. The two routes released from Just Trains will never ever need to be remastered.

ln my opinion, it’s only routes from Rivet that need to be remastered and made to look accurate and acceptable. We all know that will never happen.

 

Even if they did remaster their routes your borderline obsessive hatred towards the company because Cornwall didn't meet your expectations properly wouldn't change, at this point they could make the most perfect route on earth but you are so far down the hate hole it would be wrong and appalling and disgusting as I'm sure you have called their routes......

 

That's just not true. As much as some people like to claim otherwise, the game does in fact receive new features and improvements from time to time. Plus new vehicles that could be added to the timetable. It will take longer for a higher quality route, but at some point even the very best one will be, and feel, out of date.

 

DTG Liam When GWE remaster is finished. What route would you like next to get the remaster treatment?

 

HMA (Munich Augsburg) would have a lot of potential with all the trains available now (ICE 1, ICE 3, ICE T, TGV, InterCity, Dostos, n-Wagen, lots of freight, S-Bahn including the coming 420).

 

Hey Liam, hope you didn't get me wrong before. I was not saying DTG ordered anyone to do remasters, maybe you've misread, I was just saying their stance is "Fine, go ahead, but we can't pay you for this.", or "Lukas, make Niddertalbahn but not under the name DTG. We can't take that high development cost risk".

Always appreciated your work, don't get me wrong. I'm drawing a line between the "coalfaces" and the decision makers. I also don't think it was Steve Dark's decision to leave TSC unfinished (please send some greetings if you happen to see him), things are like they are in big companies who in the end have responsibities to their employees making sure everyone can rely on their salary being paid and shareholders staying interested, which I'm used to myself.

 

If a remaster then Rhein-Ruhr-Osten (RRO). The whole DLC is one big rubbish bin. Starting with the fact that in many places the track simply bends brutally upwards / downwards. The signals switch and stop incorrectly. Up to the fact that goods trains from Wuppertal to Hagen run on the wrong tracks. And not to mention the fact that the whole of Wuppertal is seriously offended by the embarrassing realisation of the Schwebebahn (suspension railway.)

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l hope not Liam as your work has been excellent.

l personally would like to see someone capable of doing, not Rivet, WCL. It is totally inaccurate, especially the St. Ives Branchline. The station views of Penzance and St. Ives are completely make believe.

 

That's a huge shame but also, Thank you for your hard work in all the remasters you've done. Absolutely incredible work.

 

I don’t own WSR or CCL, so was so pleased when I saw GWE was getting a remaster. It’s been one of my favourite routes, but has shown its age as the years have gone by. Guard mode on the HST will be one of the first things I play - hoping for hundreds of tickets to check before Reading.

The idea of ‘passion projects’ has always slightly confused me - yes, if a significant update will be free, there isn’t money to directly pay for it, but you only have to look briefly on the relevant threads to see how well received these remasters are - and therefore the goodwill it buys dovetail from the community. I do think that dovetail should pay Liam, or the next individual, to do remasters going forward - especially if this was part of the decision. It’s a lot of work for one person to do, and that should be recognised. Even if dovetail won’t authorise it just for goodwill from the players, a new loco pack could be a way to deliver it.

This isn’t the relevant thread, so I’ll be brief - regarding WCMLS - the issues that people report seem to mostly be related to the core. This is not a result of Liam’s hard work to bring WCMLS up to scratch, rather reasons that likely pre-date it. Personally, I’ve enjoyed the route loads more since the update - it’s been so much busier. Hopefully the updates in the new year fix the core issues, and it can be enjoyed in higher FPS.

Thanks for your strong contributions to the game DTG Liam, and long may they continue

 

Looking at everything, other than Clinchfield it seems unlikely that there will be another remaster on the horizon, and I understand some of the reasons why.
That brings me to this thought, "Do the skills exist in the community to undertake this task?"
I guess its probably more than a one person job, but could a group form to undertake the task, and are the skills out there?
I think if I put my mind to it I could do a time table.
Could this happen?

 

I think, as a company, they will probably be looking at this more as an income stream.
You can't upgrade 30 routes for free, even if it's someone's free time. The investment of time needs to be paid for.

The reception of WSR, Cathcart and GWR was a great tool to see the hunger for future upgrades.

I could see a remaster attracting an additional cost, which dependent on value, may well be acceptable to many.

 

LIRR..? Came with an extension too though.

 

I’d like to disagree here. Making the modern day route would remove any interest in it. The fact that the route digitally preserved the famous Spessartrampe is the main selling point of it. I’d argue that the route needs a 151 and ideally gameplay changes to properly depict the banking manoeuvres.

 

This is where the dependent on value comes in.
Upgrade and extension for NTP or TVL.....not sure I'd pay £30 again for it.
However, half that value I could probably be persuaded dependent on what's in it. Devil is in the detail.

 

All this exactly. Maybe adding the class 31 into NTP.
And TVL with class 56 would be epic stuff.

 

I mean....MBTA came out 1 month ago so it's not like it's been "forever."

It JUST came out.

Matt I think is working on Clinchfield.

Dresden was a few months ago (The spring early summer maybe?)

Considering they don't make anything on remasters that's a lot of work put in "pro bono."

 

Peninsula Corridor with electrification and Stadler KISS EMUs and maybe a UP SD59MX, SD70M, GP60 (including SP-Patched unit), or GP40N.
Backdated Peninsula Corridor set in the 1960s-70s with SP FM H-24-66 Trainmaster, Alco RS-32, Alco S4, and/or EMD GP9. DLCs: SP SDP45, Amtrak P30CH "Pooch" (leased by SP), SD9E "Cadillac."

 

1. Clinchfield: Increasing Trainleght (60 cars minimum), so that it is more realistic.

2. Sand Patch Grade: Longer Freight Trains, More AI at Cumberland Yard.

3. Boston Sprinter: Playable Freight services (especially Switching)

4. Rapid Transit: Adding Freight like in real, More AI in the yards

5. Cajon Pass: AI Metrolink Services from SBL

6. Antelope Valley Line: Realistic long UP Intermodal Trains (minimum 60 cars), accessible LATC with switching action, more trains AI at LA Union Station like at San Bernardino Line

7. San Bernardino Line: Accessible LATC for Switching

8. Spirit of Steam: Much more rail traffic is needed at the mainline, Shunting action especially with 4F

9. Linke Rheinstrecke: Adding V60 for Shunting, Adding 155 for freight services and 143 or 112 for regional services, 218 services would be nice too.

10. Haupstrecke Rhein Ruhr:

11. Adding V60, G6, V100 for Shun6 especially at Bochum Ehrenfeld, Adding ICE Services like in real.

12 London Underground:
Adding WCML Stock as AI

13. Birmingham:
Adding 390 and other AI at Birmingham New Street