December Season Of Reveals Speculation And Discussion Thread

I might just awfully have to purchase that Dutch dlc product. I am not really one for routes based outside UK but I may, if the offering is right, purchase it.

 

Did you noticed the wrong 2nd class seats? The colour is correct but the pattern is wrong.... They have used really old pictures. Those flowers on the seats are removed a few years after the refurbishment they are now blue like this and thats for a very long time now... More than 15 years at least.


Those are the actual right ones.

 

Reading this post from an ICM, I share your sense of wonder.

it looks great!

 

No, they are correct, the flower ones are still in some ICM.

Picture from this year:
Foto van Nederlandse Spoorwegen ICM 4210 door Stadsbus

 

Dutch route looking good and looks like my plastic/leatherette seat fetish is about to be indulged.

 

Which is exactly what a December roadmap would say...which is what this is replacing for a festive theme.
So I'm not shocked you're not shocked.

 

Funny fact about the ICM displayed by DTG: The 4051 was taken out of service in 2020 and has since been scrapped. This one is from the early series. It was permanently retired after an accident on the night of May 11, 2020, to May 12, 2020, between Nijkerk and Putten.

Here, you can see photos from when it was still in service, up until now:
https://treinposities.nl/voertuig/ns_icm_4051/foto

 

Looking very sharp so far!

So, this is a DTG first-party release, right? Do we think this is a new internal dev team, or would it be one that normally works on German content? How much crossover is there between DE/NL in terms of signalling/operations? I'd assume at least some local knowledge/expertise would be needed to do it justice. Just genuinely curious about their processes.

 

I believe it's DTG as it had on the roadmap graphics before no indication at the side of the route name of a first party. Hope this helps.

 

Disintegration7 Maybe the German team? Interesting question
About the safety systems, I can say this:

The ATB-EG (Automatic Train Protection - European Grade) and PZB (Punktfahrsicherung) are both train safety systems, but they differ in several ways:

• ATB-EG focuses on monitoring and controlling train speed to prevent speed violations, with automatic braking if necessary. It is mainly used in the Netherlands.
• PZB enforces compliance with signals and speed limits, with different modes for warnings and automatic braking, especially if a red signal is ignored. It is used primarily in Germany.

In short, ATB-EG is simpler and speed-focused, while PZB is more complex, with multiple warning and braking modes.

So I think ATB-EG is more simple to make in the sim

 

This looks quite promising so far! I'm not that familiar with trains and routes from the Netherlands, but if the route meets the vehicle in terms of quality and detail, I'll give it a shot
DTG's gonna make me poor next year

 

Yeah you are right... Those flowers are the new ones then? In my picture the OBIS is missing so maybe i have the mistake that the old ones are blue and the new ones with the flowers?!

 

What's up with the text above the windows?



Reminds me of the yearly Boekenweek, where on one day passengers can freely travel by train when in posession of a specially issued book.

 

Its called Dutch

 

It's not above the windows, it's on a transparent panel inside the train. I've seen those appear in real life as well.

 

Thanks, I see it now. I’ve never had the luxury of travelling first class

 

Original ATB is an American style "track pulse safety system". The LIRR use a similar version of a track pulse system. ATB works with brakingcurves. If you hear a bell you have to act to it and if you didn't you get a very long bell warning and if you ignore you get stopt by the system but its also monitoring the brakingforce when you have to slow down. So for example you drive 100 and get a 60 restriction the system is checking if you slowdown enough with enough force if you stop to break the system will let you know by the bell again when the driver ignores you get a penalty brake also

 

Trains in the netherlands have art style in the 2nd and 1st class. The NS use art directors to do the whole train!
This is the VIRM:

 

One more Reveal left until the Big One. I wonder if tommorow could be a Rivet Reveal. I think everyone else doing projects for TSW has had there reveal this month ???.

 

Inter7City HST to swap out with the GWE HST on layers? Not sure

 

I think it will either be some screenshots for the Ludwigsbahn route, or some Skyhook freight wagon stuff.

 

Still betting that big reveal friday is the NYMR and esk valley route which we know they are building we just don't know if steam is included.

 

Interesting.

 

Whilst new UK routes are always welcome I can't say I would be that excited. Until (if) steam is working better then I can't see another preserved railway really working especially if you don't get any of the native engines for the line. WSR doesn't feel right without any Western region engines. If they are only going to layer in diesels then that is even worse, NYMR was started to run steam engines as were most preserved railways.

The Esk valley line would be nice to have though.

If suddenly there is a U-turn regarding steam then I would rather they made their "flagship" steam route busier first. Pottering along an 18 mile heritage railway at no more then 25mph is wonderful in real life but I personally find it tedious in the sim, although I realise that for many it is something they enjoy.

 

Sorry wishful thinking! At the last months there is some stuff released with British Blue and steam is not populair by the most users. DTG has already give that answer that old stuff is a difficult thema. Most users are under or around 25 years old so stuff from the 80's, BR Blue and steam is not the selling point so i can not believe they will bring such "big reveal".

 

Im 30 and I feel old reading that. Thanks lol.

 

Yet JustTrains, for instance, is focusing on BR blue when they're perfectly capable of making modern stuff...

 

Steam is not popular? Sounds like an opinion more than a fact.

 

Only because they've decided to exploit the market DTG abandoned. Good job they did too.

 

That's the trouble with this place, too many people try to claim their opinions as solid iron-clad facts, obviously this is a iron-clad fact but I'll call it my opinion so I can't annoy anyone.....

 

Not an opinion DTG can see that in the selling group and selling age and most players are 30/25 and below. Not the 90's generation and older. This type of users is not a big population.

JT have a way different selling system. They have build Preston Carlisle in a year time thats not the selling system where DTG is focused on.

 

Manchester Airport Commuter (UK) was, Santa FE Pack (USA) was, Zw-Gron (Europe) was... According to the theory of probability, today announcement it can be German or Asian?)

Or has nothing to do with the main TSW game at all

 

There is only one Asian route in the works and we already got a reveal for that last week, so its unlikely.
Today there are 3 options if its a german reveal, or its something different.
Option 1. Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn
Option 2 . DB Br 420
Option 3. One of the community projects that went silent long ago.
Its also possible that we get a double reveal, like we got with the JT and Athena reveal, so its one German and one UK or so.

 

my guess is Mannheim-Kaiserslautern and as an extra an update on some small British stuff

 

I am in my 40s, I'd heard of TSW and looked at it a few years ago but all i could see was diesel traction so was not all that interested, did not invest and carried on with Trainz Simulator which I've been playing for years. Then last year I saw there was steam on TSW so I got myself an Xbox and purchased all the steam DLCs and a load of the British routes. They're not perfect, they scratch the itch, but I want more to be made.

If DTG fixed steam, added more locos and marketed the game to people above the age group you quote, then I am confident they could make a success of it. We are a steam loving country, you only have to look at the number of active heritage railways we have, loads of mainline steam railtours that run now, not to mention all of the people who buy steam locos for their model railways.

 

A bit ageist? I’m approaching my mid 60’s and while not old enough to remember steam on the main line, I feel more affinity with it (and BR Classic Blue) than modern diesel or electric boxes.

 

As alluded to above, if you go to an heritage railway in the UK there are many young people involved.

I don't think many if any involved in the TSC steam scene were around when steam was. Caledonian works is a young guy making some very historic UK steam trains whilst living in America.

I still maintain if there was a failure of steam in TSW, at least some of the blame lies at DTG's door for leaving it unfinished.

I often think how epic SOS would have been with a couple more locos, some Stanier carriages, some shunting and trip workings and a realistic timetable. It is a waste and I would like to think some at DTG also look at it with regret and maybe at least a determination to do something in the future, although that seems unlikely.

Shame there isn't a steam enthusiast version of Just Trains.

 

Not everyone who is within your so-called selling group wants modern routes or stock. For me personally I like to enjoy routes and rolling stock from a bygone era rather than generic and imo honestly bland modern routes and rolling stock that lack any charm. This is being said from someone who is in their late 10's who adores great western and South Australian trains.

 

Sorry if i have created a misunderstanding but steam is to old for sure to live in that area for most people.... BR Blue is different and that was the point what i was pointing out.

If you look for Somerset Railway addon its for the most people not that interesting to drive max 30miles/h on the whole route.

And the point that teenagers working by a heritage route in reality is not a fair comparison to a simulation game off course. Has nothing to do with each other.

 

Your'e not the only one but belongs to a small group

 

But SOME are, so there is a market for DTG to develop this and create more.

If DTG were 100% not interested in Steam or Heritage Lines they would not have gone to the effort of remastering the WSR and adding a steam timetable as well.

 

Modern stuff selling better doesn’t equal no interest in older stuff. It just means the former sells better.

DTG said the same for loco DLC’s & BR Blue, but that was flawed logic clearly.

Also, there is a lot of desire for steam simulation out there, DTG just borked it & then decided it wasn’t popular.

 

Yeah but its about the Money here. They choose where they can earn the most. So that means its not that they dont build never a steam train anymore but the changes are lower.

WSR was a private side project.

 

Thats exact my point. My English is not the best so thanks for the help.

 

Really happy to see NS represented at last in TSW.
The only shame for me is it's one of the few routes there I've never used so it has no personal connection, but I'll likely get it at some point. Hoping if it's successful we could see more as I love the Dutch railways
I think my ideal route would be something like Amsterdam to Arnhem, as it would include Utrecht.
Failing that, something involving Rotterdam would be amazing.

 

Yet, BR Blue "doesn't sell". Clearly it does as JT have proved.

What sort of "selling system" as you put it cuts out an obvious revenue stream.

 

26 year old fan of steam here.

You don't have to be old to have an interest in it, that's just ageist.

 

Please read below.... Its not my point of view but from a company that earn money to sell DLCs

Further more for me is the discussion closed before it goes over and over in the same pros and cons about steam or not

 

I am sure that the expansion of Dutch routes will be a matter of time)
Someday we will get to Amsterdam

 

Let's not start some witch hunt. Nobody said you can't be young and enjoy steam, but demographically you are less likely to be interested in steam the younger you are.

When diesels started replacing steam, most people thought they were boring... now older diesels gain massive interest amongst enthusiasts whilst modern electric traction is regarded as 'horrid single stick trains'.

In a few decades, 'horrid single stick trains' will be the popular variant among enthusiasts.

Nothing to do with 'agism' but everything to do with what people saw when growing up.