December Season Of Reveals Speculation And Discussion Thread

Why does it feel like someone set up an alternate account just so they could validate their argument?

Not witch hunting. Providing a counter argument against a false statement based on the assumption of age.

How is saying I'm less likely to have an interest in steam based on age not ageist.

I'll refer to above where you say "demographically you are less likely to be interested in steam the younger you are."

 

You're barely out of nappies, you young whippersnapper

 

Looks like a DRS Class 20?!

 

Week 3 screenshots part 4
Dec 19th Reveal - New Details for Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn: Mannheim - Kaiserslautern

Week 3 Bonus - New Screenshots for the Cargo Line Vol. 3 & Vol. 4 Packs

Cargo Line Vol. 4 - Military







Sneka peak of Skyhook's unrelased addon

 

Mannheim - Kaiserslautern sadly without new rolling stock.

 

Is that a 14 on the skyhook New year reveal?
I know someone will have a good idea what it is.
Teddy bear Vern?

 

Everything in the November roadmap has been mentioned in the 14 days of reveals apart from the New German locomotive which is still to be revealed! Simtrack studios DE Loco?

 

It looks like a DRS Class 20, maybe we’ll have an RTT train with it.

 

It's definitely a Class 20

 

Why are all German routes the same as a drop of water, kek?

 

Why not bringing the the TGV Duplex in the Euroduplex Version. I mean is "just" adding PZB, LZB and Sifa. It will be a nice addition for HMA and for HKA, HRR(Eurostar replace)

 

Thanks appreciate it.
Knew it was early.

 

I'm hoping that will be a period freight loco for PFR although I suspect not. I can't imagine it's the big reveal tomorrow though.

 

Because they more or less always come with similar, in this case even the same, rolling stock.

Quite disappointed they didn’t even bring a new cab car for the dostos

 

Not just adding German safety systems but it also have a different cab, engine sounds and passenger interior than the 200 series we have already. It needs to be able to run under 15kV 16 2/3 Hz otherwise it’ll be only possible to drive it “off the rails”.

 

l agree, l don’t think it is tomorrow’s big reveal, but it still needs to be revealed and DTG may have obviously forgotten or Simtrack Studios don’t want it revealed just yet!!!

 

So target demographics are now agism?

Is it agism to say that you're less likely to get prostate cancer if you're younger? I mean come on... thats quite facetious of you.

It's not agism to say that younger people are far less into mechanical watches than older generations. If you take facts like that personally (whether or not they are wrong) and resort to using 'isms', then that's not really a problem anyone can solve but you. You can refute them, and provide some context, but resorting to labeling people based on your feelings isn't productive.

As far as enjoying steam at a younger age, more power to anyone that does, but DTG run a business and steam has not given them the sales incentive to continue investing in it.

 

I am super sure there will still be those wrong 2nd class doors in the 1st class car, creating an obstacle course in the train... a TSW2 error But maybe they will pleasantly surprise and not copy it over for a fourth time.

 

If you don't make something attractive then people won't invest in it.

 

Was really hoping we'd see the second generation Dostos this time, looks like we never will (or the older DR ones). Not all Dostos are the same!

 

If they can find a way to improve the physics and started creating a decent range of locos and routes to go with them, I think they could turn that around. It all comes down to their determination to do it. If they don't, before long somebody else will and a slice of their market share will be lost.

 

Please substantiate this claim!

 

DTG developed steam traction partly because they probably felt they ought to and partly on the whim of the then CEO.

They discovered they weren't very good at it and for business and technical reasons decided not to pursue it.

It's clear from reading the forums and the experience of other sims, including TSC, that there is a substantial market for steam, but TSW wasn't in the market for steam traction long enough to discover and nurture that demand.

That and the general abandonment of freight has turned TSW away from its initial promise ( remember it started out with a US freight route and a good one) into what it has become today, a commuter rail simulator. ( JT aside )

DTG could have pursued the broad market of steam, freight and electric/commuter. They chose not to, not because the market told them to, but because they chose the easy thing rather than the challenging alternative.

 

Could the endlessley tiring and OT "does steam sell?" argument please move to another thread?

Or do we really think we will resolve it today once and for all lmao

 

So just another German route they all start to feel the same after 2 or 3 plus no new locos the military cargo could be good along with the other one.

 

So what kind of services do DRS Class 20's run, and what route might be its home?

I hope it's not another RTT set- nothing wrong with that, but we already have one.

 

Nuclear flasks quite commonly.

 

It will mostly likely be a new year revealed, but the most important is the BIG GRAND REVEAL Tomorrow. I believe it will be a game feature that people have been waiting for a while.

 

If we don't ask we won't get! Those of us who want it (whatever the arguments against, valid or not) will keep on asking, either until DTG do it, or another rail sim comes along that satisfies our desire!

 

Yes, I would say that it will be our good old Class 20. Obviously the DRS version.
This wouldn't be a simple repaint, as these units have undergone a deep refurbishment: new headlights (66 type), modern push/pull and multiple control etc...


There was two versions: with light and dark gray engine roof. Currently no units are in service with DRS (operations concluded in 2016). Some have been sold to heritage railways, others directly demolished!
I hope for a big Skyhook & Simtrack announcement tomorrow!

RHTT, mainline special transports (nuclear flasks), shunting etc... They were also used for some more "standard" freight purposes, but until early 2010s. You could see them on many UK routes, which is why they were chosen by Skyhook (I think).

 

Exactly. I don't understand the assumption that people will only buy what they're familiar with; what I would love to see is old pre-Amtrak US passenger hauled by E-units and Alco PAs- something I have never seen IRL outside museums.

 

Hmmmm-

How many millennials and Gen-Zers grew up with Thomas the Tank Engine?

 

Really disappointing, that. Especially since the opportunity was forgone to use the wonderful white/black/yellow Baden-Wurttemburg livery

 

Or SUWEX but they chose an older era

 

Is the mainheim route the same as tscs version?

 

Only just got in from a walk and bus ride. Going to need to study the image, see what comes to mind. A Clayton would be awesome, but doesn’t really fit on any of the UK routes or time periods we have.

Edit: Looks like a Class 20 rework, oh well… Has no UK developer got the moxie to bring us a completely new UK freight loco, a 56, 60 or 70?

As regards the German route, got to agree the formula is stale now. Another double track electric inter urban route with the same old DB Red trains. Thank goodness for TSG and Mittenwaldbahn.

Which now leaves us about 22 hours away from tomorrow’s big reveal!

 

"The Season of updates of stuff we already knew about or had already worked out what it was", doesn't quite have the same ring to it, but feels more apt as apart from one major exception, it's been the case.

But hey, it was obviously designed to boost engagement - which it has - although it also boosted the number of negative posts both here and on the various TSW groups.

It was a good idea but in hindsight, hasn't been a major success. If they do it again, make sure it's stuff we don't know about.

 

WSR Have a Class 14

 

Don't particularly care whether steam does or doesn't get improved and that discussion clearly isn't productive on this forum and I probably shouldn't have added the last unsubstantiated part about sales.

However, childishly throwing 'agism' around because someone dared to suggest preferences exist between different groups is depressing. Trends exist, pretending they don't isn't going to help make a better product no matter what it is you're wanting, It will just make it harder for DTG to figure out what they should focus their efforts on.

 

I could not care less about this kind of issues. I hope they do not include the ridiculous waste bins between the seats.

 

Admittedly in TSC I only bought UK content. TSW has got me into trains from Europe and USA whether it is an ICE or a heavy freight on a US railroad. I would never have driven Cajon pass in TSC. I think having the timetable mode helps.

 

Silver lining... its not a Class 66.

 

Oof. This screenshot doesn't look great.

The "S-Bahn RheinNeckar" logo is in the wrong font. I believe it should be combined with a small DB logo too, but I'm not sure if maybe the version without the logo might be correct too.

The bigger problem though: the doors are completely wrong. The S-Bahn RheinNeckar 425s have level boarding at 76 cm platforms with a fold-out step. The other 425s (and the TSW model, incorrectly) have a fixed step for 55 cm platforms.

If there aren't any all-new trains included in a route (which I'm actually perfectly fine with), then surely someone should have had the time to make the appropriate model changes to the reused trains?

The station is also called "Kaiserslautern Hbf", not "Kaiserslautern".

 

No trains in that livery use that line. The S-Bahn is still red today, and the REs have grey and red "Süwex" branding.

 

Ah. Shame, that.

 

Sadly I've gotta agree here. While a new German route is always welcome, I think we are kinda oversaturated with double-track, electrified main routes by now. They really do start to feel all the same. That's why I'm way more amped for Mittenwaldbahn than this one.
A little bit of variety would be nice, of which Germany offers plenty. There are so many different and multi-faceted single-track and/or diesel routes around to offer lots of variety.
In my eyes, not every new route has to come with new rolling stock... although this usually offers an added little benefit for other routes, giving them more variety as well.

Neither do I. OK I'm a train nerd, and always liked the "old" stuff better than the modern ones. We've got so many modern and modern-ish trains already, and so few vintage stuff. From my perspective, the vintage locos are usually more challenging, being less automated and more hands-on, but also more rewarding.
In a train driver simulation, variety is key. A little bit more of that in the field of vintage locos would be nice. The Mittenwaldbahn's E94 to me is a step in the right direction

Since the route is said to take place in the early 2010's, this wouldn't be possible anyway, since this livery didn't exist at that point. If I remember right, it started popping up in late 2017 or early 18.
But I feel you, I rather like that look too

 

Gotta agree this latest German reveal is kinda underwhelming. No new rolling stock on a DTG made route is a little concerning, but i'd be ok with it if the choice was a little more interesting.

I can't be the only one who'd like to see a route centered in Berlin, or another part of eastern Germany, right?

Dresden-Riesa is still probably my favorite DE route in TSW. I'd still love to get an extension to Leipzig fwiw lol.

 

I'm a bit fed up with german routes dont get wrong there are really good ones there must be somewhere else they could choose me I would choose Italy or Australia dont if its possible just thought.

 

After seeing the new German route announcement, I have to ask. What was the point of releasing the BR 111 in a gameplay pack (besides money, money, money) if it's featuring in the next route?

Multiple copies of the same train is becoming an issue in TSW. They should only have one copy of a specific loco, only doing another version if it's actually a variant or alternative livery. Locomotives aren't as memory heavy as a route, maybe they should make all locomotives/multiple units part of the core and then when you buy a new route, it unlocks access to the trains needed for that route in the core game. There has to be a better way than the current method of rereleasing the same trains over and over and over again.