Route East Coast Main Line - Feedback Thread

Friends, I'm experiencing the same problem again on the ECML (schedule 1D15 London Kings Cross - Leeds). This time the alarm did not stop me in the video (but the emergency stop worked in the previous attempt, I have already recorded the second one in the video). However, before the red traffic signal during the stop I automatically activated the brake hold. What is the reason for this? Maybe I don't understand something and made a mistake somewhere?
I wrote about this problem back in November, but nobody responded, there is a video on MEGA, if you need, I can upload it to YouTube.

 

Can you please share the timestamp in the YouTube video where the issue occurs?

And if you want me to look at the other video, please do upload this to YouTube and embed it like you did with this one.

It is a bit difficult to help though, as the pop ups are not in English so I don't understand what they are saying.

However, to me, it looks like the timestamp is around 2 mins? And it looks like you put the train in emergency brake? And then are you asking why it isn't moving on again? If you were able to change the in game language to English and then capture the issue again, I'd be able to understand better and could hopefully help more.

 

No, the video did not show an emergency stop, but an automatic brake hold occurred. I will reupload the previous YouTube video and post.
Thank you for your patience.

 

Hello again!
I have recorded a video with English interface. I am forcibly stopped after the 2nd yellow light, I tried to drive slower, but at some speeds the alarm still “catches” me and stops me. In the previous video I was driving very slowly and there was no emergency stop.
At the end I could not reset the error, but then I pressed SPAD and it disappeared, however the brakes are still held and I cannot start driving.
Where am I making a mistake here?

 

It looks as if it's tpws at play.. because you are going at quite a high speed before the red signal.

I had this a few months back and you need to be at no more than 20 or so.

 

At 00:56 you are being penalty braked due to being ‘overspeed’ (this is the noise you’ll hear). You braked very late, really you should be at no more than 90 passing double yellows, and 40-60 at single yellows, and then 35 over TPWS Grids and 20 over AWS grids (when in a block with a red signal) - though I could not see a grid just before you stopping but it could just be due to the resolution.

The penalty brake lasts one minute after stopping, and it can be reset after this by pressing the AWS Button (AFAICR).

I agree with samuelpower2001 on this - try to follow the limits I’ve mentioned above, really you need to be braking around 2.8 miles before the station at min brake, and then controlling appropriately for signals, then hopefully it should be ok

 

Not sure if this is a core issue or an issue with Just Trains. Yesterday I fired up ECML as fancied giving the 87 a blast from Peterborough to Doncaster on freeroam. Came up with something like "No room on Scenario" and wouldn't let me load the 87. I know there have been issues with Rivet stock loading up on certain routes but this is the first time I've encountered an issue with JT stock.

On PS5

 

I was getting that with the 170 on east coast way as well as the 08 on Isle of Wight and suspected it was a rivet compatibility issue but maybe it’s core.

When I posted on here I was told that it was probably just a ‘console user’ issue!

 

Thanks, I had a hunch that there was some speeding going on when I tried passing at a slower speed and it didn't stop me. I don't remember the training talking about these limits, now I'll know!

 

I learnt it from a guide someone on the forum made - I will try and find the link for you

 

Here is the main thread with braking points etc. https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/ecml-simplified-route-learning-sheet.73703/

And then there is a link in that thread to the guide I mentioned

 

Thanks, now I'll be driving more properly (probably).

 

PS5 console

I installed the Midland Main Line map which adds a lot of Static Layers to Doncaster and then also a Relief HST EMT service.

While examining the parked cars in Doncaster I noticed that the windows of the MK3 cars turn white when you zoom in and the textures of the light by the doors, which indicates that they are open...so I investigated further and even in the Relief HST set the cars marked A behave the same.

Upon further investigation I found that the HST EMT set from the Midland Mail Line map is not taken, but that it is modified for the layers in ECML, as the car marked A is there with a wheel compartment and each car has its own lettering...which is different in the ECML layers, and the car marked A is repeated there.

Anyway, it seems that when you approach the model, probably due to LOD, the texture of the window glass and then probably the signal light by the door will fall out. I have to say that this is very unfortunate and very disturbing

Nothing like this happens with the original HST EMT train in the Midland Main Line map, and it doesn't happen when I spawn them in the ECML map either.
There must be a bug with the modified "A" car for the EMT layers in the ECML

 

Some bugs I found while making a mod for the Class 801:

• On the cab cars, the front passenger door open and close buttons can't be used because they are blocked by the collision mesh.
• On the cab cars, the fuses in the fuse box can't be used because they are blocked by the collision mesh.
• On every coach the back right interior close door button is broken - PassengerDoorBR_Close_Interior in the RVV is incorrectly linked to PassengerDoorFL_Close_Interior.
• On every coach the right side Guard Door Control Panel is animated to swing the wrong way, and clips through the wall.
• On every coach the door close buttons on the right side guard panels don't work (DoorClose_Interlock_R).
• On coach 7, all the Guard Door Control Panels are broken and don't open when you click on them.
• On coach 2 (MeS), the fuel caps can't be interacted with.
• The passenger doors can be opened while the train is moving.

Suggestions:

• Fix the right side guard panels and add official guard mode support.
• Allow the fuel caps on the MeS coach to be used.
• Allow the traction interlock switch in the cab to be used.
• Adjust the collision mesh so it doesn't block interaction with some components.
• Change the coupler ID so it can couple to the Class 395, I believe they are both part of the Hitachi A-train family.
• Controllable saloon lights (I assume in RL it would be done using the TMS screen, so in game it could just be bound to the saloon lights hotkey).

 

Still one of the best in house DTG routes.

Arriving at Peterborough you really do wish this had formed part of an ongoing project to do a greater ECML and push on to Kings Cross, or north to York and Newcastle.

 

Had a game crash on this route on PS5 earlier today just approaching P'boro (full timetable).
It was the early morning service from Newark and I was literally 350yds away from stopping at the marker.

 

The following configuration should be applied for units working in multiple:

1. In the leading unit, headlights should be on at the front. The rear lights should be off.
2. In the trailing unit, tail lights should be on at the rear. The front lights should be off.
3. The lights in the middle (ie rear of the leading and front of the trailing unit) should not be turned on when working in multiple.

Point 3 applies to the 801/1.

Upon entering the cabs of both units, the Headlight Control Switch (this controls the headlights and taillights) is set to off, but upon inspection, this is clearly not the case.

This is an issue affecting AI and player controlled services where the 801/1 runs in multiple. It is unique to the 801/1, as the 801/2 doesn't run in multiple with any other units.

 

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but in the 801 the AWS is already unisolated and on so when you use the keyboard shortcuts to activate the rest of the safety systems it will isolate it and switch it off, you then have to switch it back on manually on the cabs rear wall... Kinda annoying to be fair, why it's set to on already compared to the rest of the safety systems I don't know.

 

Yeah this is annoying, it seemed to start with TSW5's release. There is another british loco that is doing this as well, the 710 maybe? Can't remember offhand.

DW

 

That's right there is another loco but I can't remember what it is either. Might be the 380, probably wrong and would have to check through them all.

DTG Matt DTG Harry DTG Alex are you aware of the AWS issue in the 801 that I posted about above?

 

I don't have the 380 but just did a quick check and yes the 710 definitely has the issue as well.

DW

 

I have to say it is one of the routes I am enjoying more and more on my old PS4.

To get the best possible experience, I have also installed MML, WSR, and the RHTT for AI traffic. Also the Engineering eXpress to sub in 66s.

Unfortunately, the 700 odes not layer in on Gen8 any more.

Not sure though what actually adds more static/AI on PS4. The layer selector is not really helpful on this route, as it shows DLC combinations which are clearly not relevant.

- Glossop (323 AI)?
- GWE (static wagons)?
- SEHS (static wagons)?
- TVL (static wagons)?
- NTP (static wagons)?

 

I want to agree but at the same time I just disagree. I do try and enjoy the route, it is the fact we have no terminating station, you can't take a train out of the depot and then take it onwards. I would take a KGX Extension for the route and hopefully to have the 225 IC included.
But no terminating station is key for me.

Won't go off topic but same case with WCML South, I love it with the 390 but the route is too short. (Shame they did it just for commuter purposes IMO)
Dovetail just don't seem to get it spot on if you get me.

 

if it had the 91s then it would have gone up a little in my book! since they had the "license" for LNER Im surprised this wasn't in the DLC (Im sure its somewhere in the 22 pages here as to why)..

 

I'm going to take a wild guess that LNER specifically wanted their new trains featured, rather than the old stock they want to get rid of.

The license likely only permitted DTG to do something with the Azuma.

 

It's odd though that they weren't happy for both to be in though if you know what I mean - Azuma for the future, and Class 91 to remember the past

 

You'd have thought so. But apparently not.

If I was in LNER's position I'd have had them both mixed, or even have the 91 and HSTs to showcase what the evolution of the trains that were used. Use that as promotional material of sorts.

 

Rather u̶n̶believably, 2 years on, this is still an issue...

 

I've done it without running into any red lights.

 

Just ate a bag of pickled onion flavour Monster Munch, without getting any crumbs or grease on my XBOX controller. So that's another benefit of one-handle EMUs.... Can't do that in a class 87 or 101 DMU without a great tragedy occuring.

I think this route may also cure insomnia, though the AI passengers won't be happy about the inevitable 125mph collision when I actually fall asleep driving the 801.

Trying to remember what the other flavour of Monster Munch used to be.... Was it BBQ ?

 

Get those safety systems switched on Midnight!

It’s roast beef isn’t it?

 

Just have to make sure you move the handle every minute or so for dsd not to go off

 

Aaah, roast beef!
I couldn't remember for the life of me.

 

GWE static stock = HKA/FKA (and GWE 66)
SEHS static stock = JNA/MFA (and SEHS 66)
TVL static stock = PCA/BBA
NTP static stock = TEA, Mk1s/Mk2s
RHTT = RHTT (obvs)
WSR = 47/4
MML = 158 & 43

Edit: Cargo Line Aggregate and Petroleum may may add static HOA/TEA wagons, I can't recall but I know the 66's appear as static at Donny

 

Thanks!

 

I think you happen to be an 8th gen user and I've known that pain all too well. Happy to help.

 

Has anyone else noticed that the 5 car jobs are always blurry but the 9 car jobs seem fine this xbox x.

 

Just a 4 minute task to bring a Class 700 into Service at Peterborough and the train is chock full of passenger ... dossers, are they ?

Give us an empty train !

 

This departure board at Newark Northgate on Platform 1 shows departures from Grantham Platform 1 for some reason on Series S (and Xbox One)

(Also my game crashed shortly after departure from here at Newark)

 

Somewhat off topic but this issue isn't exclusive to this route. I find passengers on the 101 on NTP when doing ECS moves, but then it's entirely empty doing services.

 

Why does it give like 2hrs for freight jobs when you complete them with half hour spare then you have to wait around.

 

Once it tells you to "wait until time" just.release.the brakes and inch forward and the game skip the wait and go to the end/score screen

 

Doesn't work on xbox x.

 

Not sure if this had been addressed before, but there is OHLE missing on the cuve near Loversall Carr, leading to Decoy South Junction.

PS5 version.

 

Another not sure if previously mentioned… Routed out of Doncaster via the back lines with a service from Leeds, after crossing over the ECML and taking the junction from the Spalding Line which drops you back down to rejoin the ECML. There is a speed board at the junction showing 40 MPH to take the chord but the track speed in the HUD remained at 50. There’s probably not a huge number of trains in the timetable go that way but it’s something that ought to be corrected.

 

How come Leeds isn't used has destination for AI Northern services on Class 323 EMU at Doncaster but Outwood is used instead?

Is their another section up coming soon?

 

This has been brought up a few times since the route came out but I'll mention it again.

The speed limiter in the Azuma still needs to be corrected. In TSW it is incorrectly set to 127mph whereas in real life, it is set to 124mph.

I know there's the mod by Bescot that corrects this for PC, but it should be corrected officially by DTG.

 

Probably they set it too high on purpose because in tsw4 there's an achievement for "matching the mallard" by reaching 126 with the Azuma.
(Kinda surprised lner would be accepting of the game promoting someone overspending in their train but anyway. Also 124? Surely it would've made more sense to speed limit it irl to 125 being the line speed and all)

 

Yeah, that achievement never sat well with me. It promotes overspeeding while also making a function on the unit unrealistic... Anyway, the achievement is no longer in place, so there isn't really a reason for DTG to not correct the speed limiter in TSW5.

 

Some feedback concerning the ECML and the MML class 43.

Photo mode/ Poor Layers.
(This is something I’ve encountered on the WCML Preston to Carlisle. (A Route that seemed okay until purchasing the class 86)
A similar situation of seeing through models.

The following photos, taken on the ECML, with a MML 43.

No matter how close or how far from object it will remain as seen.

Also I’ve experienced a lot of crashes on loading into time table mode. Be with in game stock or LD vehicles it will not load in to certain routes. I do have that information somewhere and only for the routes I’ve come across. How many are affected I’m not sure unless I did a full test on each route.

With TSW6 coming along soon I’m not sure how important this or the crash issue are.
The information is there and again evidently something deeper is not right with TSW5.

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