Dynamic Weather

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  1. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Whats with dynamic weather just done run to frankfurt had sunny then snow storm then heavy rain the dry and sunny again does it ever give you a clear dry run
     
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  2. PseudoStalker

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    If you start with clear weather at summer, there is a big chance that it will remain clear for the rest of the run. But there is still a chance of SUDDEN fog from nowhere.
     
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    Yes...it's dynamic
     
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    If you do a 5min run, you might get a dry run! Anything over that I just got rain, heavy fog etc. etc. I don't bother with Dynamic Weather, it's bugged and I doubt we'll ever see a fix for it. I use the Godmode mod (PC only) to manually make changes to weather.
     
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  5. Wivenswold

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    It's a great feature, but as someone who has been learning meteorology for the last 40 years and spends a lot of time looking at what's going on up there, it's got its limitations.

    I've said on this forum the biggest issue is that it doesn't feel as though routes are fine-tuned for their location. This means that features like thunderstorms, fog and snow are far too frequent in a lot of places.

    I'm sure it will be finessed over the coming years but it doesn't feel realistic yet. And don't get me started on the Cloud to Ground Lightning, far too frequent and close and you never see distant lightning like you do in real life.
     
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  6. Midnight

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    July / Dynamic / clear start

    Just did 4 hours straight on WCMLoS and the weather never changed once ... which has never happened before.

    I wanted to see what the rain effect on the 87 was like. Game said no.
     
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  7. Gianluca

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    On 72 stock WCMLS that the services are around half an hour long, sometimes is clear, sometimes only some clouds and other times the snow
     
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    The RNG/dice roll whatever you want to call it is seriously flawed. As stated usually within five minutes of starting it degenerates into either fog or a violent thunderstorm which never relents for the entirety of the run.
     
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  9. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    You ain't wrong there mate done frankfurt to fulda when was sunny and clear 2 miles snow blizzard the rest of the way the was in August :D
     
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  10. Clumsy Pacer

    Clumsy Pacer Well-Known Member

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    Twice I've done runs on WCMLS and tge weather's actually improved.
     
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    There is some Journey mode run on WCMLoS starting in snow in June then the snow disappeares as you are awaiting departure, during your entire travel the weather alternates between clear and heavy rain every 2 minutes :D
     
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    It always snows in November - February (depending on exact date), yet in England it hardly ever snows, and certainly not as much as it makes it seem.

    Once on BPO, I had snow turn to rain which has only happened once. Weird.
     
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  13. Gianluca

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    Remember i have also the opposite situation on Arosalinie and some other routes that don't remember
     
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    The frequency of weather changes increases in winter, and decreases in summer.

    In the winter, the forum gets posts like these where people feel like the dynamic weather changes too much, and in the summer, people feel like it changes too little.

    In my experience, dynamic weather is fine, especially when you consider that the weather also changes depending on location.

    It is better in TOD4 than TOD3, though.
     
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  15. ididntdoit

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    Chance of fog, Nova Scotia fog!
     
  16. Crosstie

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    The fog is the worst of the weather effects. It's so persistent on WCMLS that I feel like I'm watching an old movie set in a 1940's London pea souper.
     
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  17. Wivenswold

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    This happen sometimes and that's because it's perfectly normal to have the same weather across large areas of a country with the only difference being the temperature. High Pressure is a frequent visitor to the UK, in winter it can bring a gloomy layer of cloud that lasts for days, other times (like today) much of the country is sunny with a few low clouds and some isolated wintry showers on the east coast. If I travel 50 miles to London or 75 miles to Brighton the weather will be exactly the same today. It's more frequent in our summer when much of the country is under blue sky with a few benign Cumulus clouds inland.

    Dyanmic weather often gives you no changes to the weather because sometimes that's exactly how it is sometimes, the length, regularity and form of thunderstorms and the lack of morning mist patches are it's biggest let down, can't beat a good sunrise run with mist and frost.

    Now "Live weather" would probably be a step too far for a train sim but I'd love it.
     
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  18. PseudoStalker

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    Completed the full run from Worcester to Boston. Dynamic weather starting with light snow. After 5 minutes of driving the weather became clear. Then 4 (FOUR, CARL!) times the weather changed from clear to extreme fog. Either clear or visibility 15 meters. And all this without smooth transitions. Just click - fog, click - clear. Horrible experience.
     
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    The suddenly appearing/disappearing fog is a big issue.
     
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  20. Clumsy Pacer

    Clumsy Pacer Well-Known Member

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    I've never experienced the sudden fog. I did one run on ECML once started foggy, the fog then cleared rather quickly but I assumed it was to do with it starting to snow.

    Had to quit because it looked LOVE snowing that heavy without fog.
     
  21. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    The changes are just too quick. Sometimes unrealistic/unseasonal yes, but mainly just too fast and often. I expect the weather might change in a 45 minute run, but not 6-7 times.
     
  22. Wivenswold

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    You don't generally get fog when it snows heavily, it's just that visibility is severely reduced because light is getting bent in all different directions by each flake of snow. Visibility should therefore be reduced the more heavy the snow gets. However, you can have freezing fog which can turn condensation into ice as soon as it hits a cold-enough surface. It's not as lethal as freezing rain though, luckily.
     
  23. solicitr

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    Localisation would be nice. It rains WAY too much on the Los Angeles routes- the place is, you know, a desert, remember? By the same token, anything but rain, fog or heavy clouds should be rare to nonexistent in Scotland.
     
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  24. operator#7940

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    Come to think of it, almost every run on Cajon Pass it's rained and that's all desert.
    I've been out there.
    Spent time in Ft Irwin/Barstow and that's on the end of the route.
    Dry as a bone.
    Haven't been to Scotland, but Cambridge was always pretty cloudy and rainy every time when I'd visit my brother. Yet it's sunnier there than in Barstow.
    Is there just a generic game-wide "weather" that applies to all routes or is there some sort of variable ranges by map?
     
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    I haven't had fog appearing suddenly but often disappearing suddenly, in the blink of an eye, very immersion breaking.

    I have just had a run from Carlisle which starting in May and sunny weather soon turned into a lightning storm with heavy rain, very predictable. It looks good and the feature is a good one in theory but in practice nearly every run I start in sunny conditions either turns to fog or rain and storms. Therefore I tend to avoid dynamic weather.
     
  26. Clumsy Pacer

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    Yeah, perhaps it was the high visibility that puy me off, but am I being unrealistic in expecting the fog to remain when the snow started?
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    I was in Cambridge for a year. It's beautiful in June; the rest of the year the two weather states are "rain" and "about to rain."
     
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    Cambridge
     
  29. Wivenswold

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    Just as a counter-point to my "I could travel to Brighton and the weather will remain the same", my trip home from Brighton to Essex tomorrow night will start with rain on the south coast, then snow over and between the "Downs", then sleet around London, back to snow in rural Essex before rain on the East Coast. There's even the possibility of freezing rain.

    So that's some rare dynamic weather in the UK but it's because the freezing altitude is so close to the surface that forecasting conditions in any one point or at any time tomorrow evening is going to be a nightmare.
     
  30. Jpantera

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    We really should have a plug in for real-time weather.
     
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    i really want more options for the starting weather. Can't choose "dark clouds" in december, only "light clouds"
     
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  32. Wivenswold

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    I think the setting you'd be looking for is "East Anglia during the winter", cold, dark clouds, dry and depressing.
    If anyone wants to give me their holiday home in the Caribbean, DM me.
     
  33. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    That's one of those things that sounds easy but is deceptively difficult to do unless you mean to from the beginning.
     
  34. Jpantera

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    Considering with a few sliders we can adapt the weather as per the location then its a shame that can't work. MSFS had it for years
     
  35. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    MSFS planned it from the beginning of their new engine it an online only game.
    It's also a major part of their draw, not a "would be kinda nice" secondary feature.
    They can do it if they want, but I think they'd be better off with just a route specific database if anything for "normal historical weather at this location" sort of thing. But if they want to go to that trouble, it'd be "neat" I suppose.
     
  36. Jpantera

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    I guess the question is why isn't planned from the start, feels like although marketed as a simulator it still only wants to be trains and it passes if they move from A to B and everything else an afterthought
     

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