Taking advantage of the 80% discount for the Glossop route and enjoying the route. Do we think DTG could remaster it? Might be relatively simple...adding the 390s as AI at Picc is pretty much all it needs.
The phrase peeing in the wind comes to mind in terms of a remaster... It's a relatively new route to receive a remaster. But could most definitely do with a complete AI traffic and timetable overhaul now the 390 and 350 are available.
Not sure if it has a specific date of setting, but backdate to 2019 and could have Northern liveried Pacers on the Hope Valley line runs and many other Manchester Piccadilly routes.
I'm sure they'll update the ai traffic nicely when the new Manchester commuter is out fingers crossed
I doubt it. They haven't updated Boston Sprinter to include the stuff from Boston Worcester, nor San Bernadino onto Antelope Valley.
I don't know quite what it is, but I find Glossop to be a boring route. I doubt a remaster really could fix that. I think there's much more to gain by remastering other routes.
I think that that could be changed by bringing all the sidings, portals and extra running lines in to play. This route is actually very suitable for an upgrade as it is smaller and compact. The bit between Piccadilly and Guide Bridge could be improved tremendously by either a new timetable or paths mod (or both).
Glossop would benefit more from extending than remastering. It’s a fairly recent route anyway but like Goblin it’s a one shot experience that had far more potential if it had been released as a Manchester south network.
I don't disagree but we both know that that won't happen. So we just need to see what we can do to improve what we have. Hence my view to use the freight lines, fill up Piccadilly, have more runs to the portals and bring Guide Bridge yards in to play. All of which is possible to do.
I know. Just that even a remaster is unlikely to rekindle any interest in the route. Particularly when set against Woodhead (both versions) or Hope Valley in TSC.
This use of the word 'remastering' here has gone too far. Wikipedia describes a remaster as a "change in the sound or image quality of previously created forms of media" (and I think that's accurate, so let's not knock Wikipedia's lack of authority and original source here). You remaster a film by taking all the bits of film and doing some modern processing on them to make the image look better, and thus provide a better-looking end version of the product. The content hasn't changed - it's still the same people in the same places on screen. They just look less grainy. In the context of TSW, past 'remasters' have upgraded older ToDv3 routes to ToDv4. This affects the lighting and shadows of the routes, and thus can be said to be true to the spirit of the word 'remaster'. Glossop is already a ToDv4 route. Glossop looks as good as it can do from a graphical fidelity perspective*. There's nothing to remaster! That's not to say that its graphical content couldn't be enhanced (e.g. better scenery, although at time of release I remember remarks that it already looked decent, and for a short route without new rolling stock so it should have!), nor that it couldn't have layers added (350, 390 etc.) but those efforts do not require a 'remaster' project. These are specific enhancements that could be delivered separately (the latter would be a new timetable, a bit like is being done for SKA, which notably is not getting a remaster!). Liam's remaster projects have included new timetables and graphical content upgrades (esp. in WSR where the stations and environs were built out), but those extras weren't consequences of the remaster itself and aren't dependent on a 'remaster' taking place (again, see SKA timetable project). * the one thing that is moaned about in terms of fidelity with Glossop is the night lighting in Manc, but the chances of someone going back and doing anything about that are zero.
I wonder if a mod can be created that will merge Glosopp with the new ATC route after its release? After all, something similar to the merger of routes was achieved by the guys from Glasgow and Fife Circle. Such a solution will significantly change life on these routes.
It was Rivet who effectively 'merged' the two routes by using EDN-GLA as the foundation for Fife Circle. They then forgot to either delete the Glasgow line, or close it off, which meant that it was possible for a modder to work on it. (So not really a merger...more a pleasant mistake). I doubt if that will be allowed to happen with the ATC route (although you could argue there is the same commonality with Manchester Piccadilly). ATC would have needed to start with the Glossop route line as it's initial track layout and then extended out to Stockport etc from there. Unless this was been done then I don't believe that a modder could merge the two afterwards. But it is possible is to produce a mod that adds plenty of new paths to Glossop that would enable players to make scenarios that use all the platforms and available rolling stock at the Piccadilly end. (New timetables too). Whilst that wouldn't extend the route it would, at least. really liven it up.
Can't think of a poorer use of time and money than to try to inject any life saving serum into this desolate route that goes from the middle of nowhere to a 19th century version of central Manchester. Why not instead use those resources to spark new life into Tees Valley, a route with lots of potential for a revamped timetable, enhanced lighting and maybe the addition of a Class 142 ( if I haven't gotten my chronology mixed up )? What could be more appropriate than celebrating the 200th birthday of the Stockton and Darlington Railway with a shot of adrenaline for a route that's already one of TSW's best?
I bought Glossop on a discount, enjoyed it for a while and that's that. It was nice for what it is, but too much a one dimensional experience (just like IOW 2022 and Goblin). I would prefer a remaster of BML, East Coastway or Tees Valley. Imagine what Just Trains could do with Tees Valley
