So just saw the add for the new german route out 30th January priced at 29.99 bit steep considering there is now new stock on it just stock from other routes.
Jan confirmed it is a typo, they will probably fix it very shortly to prevent another 20 threads from popping up
This way, without even a new 2-axle freight car and with all the recycled rolling stock they have the guarantee (from me) that they can hold on to this addon tightly, and I hold on to my money tightly. Completely unacceptable. Voila.
I think this ties in with my tinfoil sombrero theory that they don’t have many (or any) staff now employed in house developing new assets, certainly rolling stock or locos. Seems for Germany they have become reliant on TSG or otherwise recycling what they already have.
Welll there are two new trains coming with the Dutch route so maybe the resources are pulled away from new German rolling stock onto the Dutch or Austrian ones from last year with no hit for the UK, even though it is a European country too. Would very much prefer fewer routes and more train DLCs in general.
Oh yeah, forgot the Skoda dosto w/br102, the Desiro HC sets (technically count as dostos) and the upcoming Coradia Stream units.
I have no problems with releasing routes with recycled rolling stock, but we really do not need more dostos. I would have loved a route with the recycled BR 218, recycled n-wagens, recycled BR 628 and BR 363. In fact I would love it. the choice for me it is obvious I will go for the TSG route and wait for this one, which eventually I would get. But definitely no first day purchase.
Or if they release a route with reused rolling stock, make it non-linear. Pretty sure the last German route with branches was Dresden Riesa, a favourite to this day, three years later. Something alongside Mannheim branches would be a day 1 purchase but this just doesnt seem to bring anything new or interesting to the table.
I won't buy this route. Perhaps if it's avaliable in a future sale. It looks nice but I'm tired of German routes using trains from previous routes especially the Dostos being recycled for the 6,000th time
Is there a proof for this? Haven't watched the entire stream yet but in the beginning Alex didn't say something about a wrong price ...
Good morning, in the initial article the price for USD and EUR was swapped by mistake. This error has since been corrected, the correct pricing is €35.99/£29.99/$39.99. All the best, Jan
£29.99 for a route that has no new stock just old recycled trains and another German route is bit steep even if it is done well I would have thought £19.99 would have been a fair price i would have happily paid £29.99 if it had some new stock.
I also think it's cheeky to sell a simple 2-track line without new rolling stock for €35.99. We know what lines built by DTG look like, there have already been enough of them. They could have simply built 2 or 3 new freight wagons for this line and it would have been a line that would have been better received by people. But DTG hasn't been building anything new for the German lines for a long time. Greetings Emmy_MAN
Can't say I'm looking forward to this route. I don't know what it's main selling point is supposed to be, but I already own a fair selection of modern German routes. I fail to see what this route would add to my collection.
To be honest I don’t know about this one. The thing is: I grew up in the area of Heidelberg so the S-Bahn Rhein-Neckar was the only railway in my area; and therefore the 425! It has always been one of my favourite German EMUs and I’ve always wanted to see some areas in game that I know in real life. Now the thing is: 35€ is a lot of money- but for a route and a loco it’s alright for me. But paying 35€ only for a route that I actually have never been to myself, but solely because of the 425 and Mannheim is just an issue for me- especially since I’ll start my job as a real train driver in Switzerland a few months later so why pay that much if I can have the sim in real life? I guess I’ll wait for the preview and if the 425 is really as big of an upgrade as it was praised!! Also: Why no new freight wagons? I always see new wagons for the UK- especially because of the freight packs by Skyhook; but Germany has like a gazillion different freight wagons left that are not in game yet. Would be nice to see some of them…
Skyhook is making those freight packs. DTG isn't making them. Would TSG or someone else from Germany make them? Seems like great "low hanging fruit" for a new company trying to break into the dev studio business.
First ankle braker for Dtg that Ludwigsbahn wont have new stock. Second one, many here know how to handle it and wait for a sale. The final one, TSG is going to release peak route content less than a month after. With a completely new loco and wagon (with 4 different loadings), a optimised 111 and everything else equiped with high quality repaints and remodels. For the same price as Pfälzische. Thats what i call quality. My wallet wont be safe before this one.
I agree with the above arguments, but most importantly, until they fix it to work in the core of TSW, any investment in new products is just a waste of money.
I highly doubt that. From the screenshots so far it's quite obvious that they didn't even bother to build the correct series of 425 for the S-Bahn Rhein-Neckar. They just took the 425.0 we already had, slapped the 425.2 numbers on it and called it a day. Same with the ICE3M that should be an ICE3MF. To me it all just screams minimum effort filler route.
Did DTG even apply their own LAMPOIL process to this route, I wonder? Said it before, with the selection of DMU’s and the 218 plus Ludmilla still somewhere out there in the development ether, we need a decent longish German diesel route to let them stretch their legs a bit more. I really can’t see this route offers any compelling reason to purchase, even in a sale, just offering an identical experience to most of the German two track electric inter urban routes we already have. Even Frankfurt to Fulda I have spent very little time on since TSW5 release. They have oversaturated the market with identikit routes, just in the same way the UK has too many electric bus stop type routes. Seems we are beholden to what certain people at DTG want in the game rather than what customers want to see.
The problem with diesel routes is precisely that the 218 and 232 are (going to be) loco add-ons from a 3rd party - you can't include them in a route, at least not for a good while and without making some changes to them. And the list of interesting diesel routes that will offer a compelling experience without a DB red 218 or 232 is going to be extremely short. In my opinion, by making the 218, TSG has made it almost impossible that we're ever going to get a good route for the 218 (unless TSG themselves make one), and they're going to do the same to the 232. And it's not like there's a wealth of other German mainline diesel locomotives that DTG could use to get around that problem! Imagine a 3rd party had made a Class 66 before DTG got round to it and now you couldn't include a 66 with UK routes...
Is that really the problem or does DTG just like to forget German diesel locos? I mean, how many routes have layers or substitution for the BR204? Routes have layers or substitution for other third party locos, so why not the BR204?
Where would you want to see the 204? I can't think of any route where it's actually appropriate to use it. There were never that many of them (65 I think) and the very last one went out of service (with DB) in 2009.
Why is it a problem when layers exist? Just get a route where it could run with a different train as the main one and there you go. This seems to be more of a niche train issue if they released them as standalone dlc but the 218s were very common werent they?
But that's the whole problem: what would the main train on a German diesel route (that's not just a DMU only branch line) be, if not the 218?
Could do a route with a 216, 211 or even a V200. Plus the 218 is doubtless well beyond peak sales by this point so it might actually be more financially beneficial for TSG to partner up with DTG to do a diesel route with the 218 as lead loco.
Marschbahn with a DTG Br245 would solve this problem. The 218 would be able to substitute into many services, I guess… or could bring additional IC services if you have the original 101 and the 218. More layers are possible, I guess.
As with the recycled stock on the up coming german route also on the Manchester commuter route coming out same old class 66 and recycled class 323 .
Unfortunately this is the reason for my pass on this dlc. At least until its on 80% sale. Yes JTs preston carlisle was a little bit more expensive compared, but everybody knows what extras came with this dlc. So not even a single new freight wagon? Smells like "lets just skip it all and grab the cash". Im sure the christmas sale 25 will have it available for a discount, else in 2026
I still have a suspicion they have either lost due to attrition or shed due to redundancy most of their talented artists. Mark my words, TSW going forward this year and into 2026 will increasingly become an outlet for second and third party DLC with DTG stepping back to the role of publisher. Maybe a few changes to the code here and there if they even still have a programmer on staff.
You could, but these would need to be back-dated quite significantly (the last 216 ran in 2004, and the last 211 in 2001), so while it would be cool to have a route featuring them, that route then most likely wouldn't be suitable for the 218 as we have it. Both of these locos also have steam, rather than electric, heating, so they'd need new coaches too, and the 216 and 218 couldn't sub for one another except on freight. It might make sense in that way, but how do you explain that to those people who spent money on the loco DLC? It almost does. However, trains there are normally hauled by either one 245 or two 218s, so you couldn't do substitution. Maybe you could do something in Bavaria featuring the 612 and 245, with the 218 subbing? I'm not too familiar with the railways there, so I don't know if there's anything suitable.
The 155 in Bremen-Oldenburg and the 363 from DRA and DCZ at least have different liveries than the original loco DLCs.
That you have had xx months enjoyment out of it in the meantime. Same principal as waiting until an item is on sale. You either buy at full price and enjoy there and then, or wait six to twelve months for a good discount. As stated above DTG did exactly that with the 465, bundling it into the revamped SEHS route. I certainly didn't feel cheated having bought and enjoyed the 465, to find DTG later included it. Now maybe a third party item is different but from the developer/publisher angle, what's better - a dozen residual sales a week gradually declining to less than ten or part royalties on 5000 new route sales which feature your loco.
Ah yes… I seem to remember there being a requirement that the 218 may only be used as double header on the dam, right?! In this case you are right, not possible with current TSW tech
This route was a day one purchase but I do wonder if it really offers anything different. I'm not particularly bothered by there not being any new trains, although it would be nice, but more the routes scope. It is always nice to have new routes to drive and I'll get it at some point but likely in a sale. As has been noted with the TSG route following on its heels I don't feel like spending £60 in quick succession and getting the TSG route which offers something different is a no brainer. I've been looking at some of the TSC German routes and they seem to offer a lot more mileage plus the chances of merging some of them. They seem to have more stock too, just a shame there are only a handful of scenarios.
I do in general agree with that line of argument. The 218 is an exception in my opinion, since the gameplay it has, and thus the amount of enjoyment I got of it so far, is just so limited. I bought it on the assumption that more gameplay for it would come with future routes - that hasn't happened so far, so I do not feel like I've gotten my money's worth on it yet. I'm pretty sure it's just due to the power requirements, not because of any special rules for the dam.
indeed, we may be trapped by TSG, which on the other hand is not bad, as the quality will be top. My hopes are in the next route after Mittenwald, which may be in BaWu (hinted in Niedertalbahn), more precisely any section within Ulm and Friedrichshafen. Downside is the size of TSG, which means that likely we are not going to see anything this year. We will need to be patient.
