Hold that thought Vern! I reckon the core issues with TSW5 have definitely pegged back a lot of original release dates.. how many third-party releases will come between now and September - perhaps enough to satisfy the crowd! Is the Cardiff City Network a flagship route though?
Could be if they decided to extend the scope beyond the initial concept. I mean for crying out loud it should at least go to Barry Island! The fact it’s coming with two new trains also points in that directIon.
Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but, depending on the precise year chosen, will there be a chance to see the Class 37 operated Valley services, even just as AI? They ran on and off until about 2018 IIRC.
The pace of full route release so far is the same as with TSW4. One third party DLC before year-end and one DLC from DTG. Maybe only cargo line v3 was set back a bit. So don't think core issues have delayed stuff much. They have to keep the cashflow going, so big delays are not really an option.
I personally don't see them making a smaller network route like this into the main UK route of TSW6, it'll more likely be a mainline like past releases. (GWML, SEHS, ECML, WCML)
Except Tsw2. Which had bakerloo line lmao. Yeah. May even see a greater Anglia line for next release. That's been quite high up in requests for UK Mainline routes.
Very excited for this route. Is the 150/2 a rebuilt loco from ground up or rivets modified. Is the 150/2 and other loco with AP sounds. Very excited
If DTG include Cardiff Canton Depot, we should get a few depot moves. I'd say GWR would most likely be a layer though at Cardiff Central
Don't know re sounds, but I think someone said it looked like it was a rebuilt loco from ground up based on WIP shots shown. Would be surprised if our favourite class 66 wasn't utilised.
I believe Matt said in last weeks stream it is a reused but heavily updated version of Rivets existing 150. There's nothing wrong with the 3D model, it's the sounds and physics of the previous model which were the issue. Although, there's nothing wrong with updating a perfectly good model, I'd like to know from the start about any Rivet involvement with a route and whether they have had any involvement with the rest of the route. I've already said about my suspicions regarding Rivets involvement in future UK routes and they've been suspiciously quiet since FCL... Draw your own conclusions.
I seriously doubt it's a TSW6 route, simply because it was announced before TSW5 was even out. That would just be ridiculous, even for DTG.
It would be a bit of a waste of the 150 and 153 if we didn’t but OTOH we got the Class 700 a while back and everyone was expecting we would get something other than the Medway Corridor bus service, but never did.
Leicester to St Pancras for TSW6 main route? Would utilise the 700 up to Bedford I guess, and could either come with a 222 or just use MML stock. Difficult to think which section of the welsh main line would be short enough but sensible in terms of start/end. Cardiff Central to Crewe would be good with MK4s, but 3 hours so too long for DTG. Not sure really of any suitable delayed start/early end points within that
A DTG Marches route likely to be Cardiff (or Newport) to Hereford, or Hereford to Shrewsbury. An outside possibility to use the 150 and 153 could also be Shrewsbury to Chester, with Wrexham to Bidston thrown in but would also need a TfW 158 and 175 if set fairly recently. South Wales main Line comes up against the GWR license issue as that would exclude a large number of services and west of Swansea you are down to an hourly or less train service.
They had to remodel it all. They would've had to for a modern one. They would have gotten new sounds. (At the very least for doors) Likely from AP. They'll hopefully have redone the physics so I don't see how it can be rivets 150? I sincerely hope I don't even get a wiff of their work on that loco
At this early stage you wouldn't be able to tell. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Rivets 3D modelling I think either side of the argument about their work can agree on that. It's everything else that's the issue... I get the opposite whiff, Rivet have been VERY quiet since FCL, and their initial secret contribution to WCML. I find it hard to believe a small company could survive without any new revenue... And I genuinely have the belief they are in some contract with DTG to build their UK routes. But that's a whole different discussion. Time will tell with the Cardiff Network route, in theory it sounds fantastic (as did WCMLS) but if my theory is correct and it does have Rivet involvement, expect the same issues as the WCMLS saga and the same type of issues that are still ongoing with many being left unresolved.
It's a TFW 150 and not a BR 150 so there will be some modelling changes. At the very least someone will have to model the Gaurds panels for TSW5 standards
Technically it's still a old BR unit, just updated to modern TfW standards! Will also be interesting to see if the difference in cabs between ends is modelled in the 153. Time will tell though... I've no qualms over the quality of the 3D modelling of the units. I'm just seeing the glass half fall rather then half empty with the rest of the route unfortunately.
Is this turning into another Rivet bashing/conspiracy thread! The Rivet 150 was a good model just with badly implemented sounds and physics, I am certain DTG will have seen the numerous threads and complaints about the Rivet 150 and will ensure that this one is correct. Rivet were involved with the Cathcart route which is perfectly good and for all we know some of our other favourite routes might have had Rivet involvement.
Cathcart was very one dimensional until it was given an remaster by independent people who were not a part of Rivet. I've already agreed with you 100% on the 3D modelling of the units. People thought it was a conspiracy when Rivet were involved in WCMLS until it was proven by pressure in the community. At the end of the day, we want routes to be of the highest quality and enjoyable, and you have to be pretty brutal and honest and say "from some of the players experiences we do not want another bodge job or a route of a low quality like the original WCMLS release". If it wasn't down to the community kicking up a stink in the first place it would not have been resolved to even the standard it is now... So from that experience, I've a bad feeling Rivet will be involved in building this route. If feed back is actually worth anything, I would not want Rivet producing routes given the evident poor quality of their previous work (just personal opinion and not representative of anyone else). I'd think it's absolutely absurd given the evidence of their previous work to allow them to produce routes until they are of an acceptable quality and more importantly DTG implementing a form of quality control across the board. Given Rivets radio silence since FCL, I have my suspicions... Anyway no hard feelings to yourself I respect what you're saying but as you can see I just completely disagree.
As far as I recall Rivet were involved in the scenery on Cathcart which was perfectly decent, I don't even know if the scenery has been altered that much.
Rivet only did the stations on Cathcart Circle. That was unknown as well until Rivet mentioned it after release. Everything else was in house by DTG
As for the timeframe... Well, Matt said (I don't remember if in the last roadmap or when) that they had to bring it forward slightly, just to avoid problems. Was he referring to Flirts and Valleys electrification? I think (given the 231/756 phase-in periods) that the chosen timeframe was late 2022/late 2023. The presence of the 153 suggests a 2023 deadline! We would definitely have the South Wales Mainline electrified (2019) and several Valleys lines already under OHLE. PS. I'm researching about this, for a future proposal of mine on the Welsh Marches (Newport-Hereford) + Cardiff-Newport mainline stretch.
A class 156 wouldn't be appropriate. As far as I can recall the only time there were any in South Wales was in the very late 80's. New ones destined for Scotland were diverted to the Western region to cover for the faulty class 155's.
With Class 153s coming, perhaps it would be wise to do a East Midlands Trains variant to add capacity to Midland Mainline?
Good shout. The release of the 153 and (hopefully) decent quality 150 opens up loads of avenues for further route DLC too.
Hopefully DTG have at least considered the possibilities available and have plans in order to save on future dev time and resources.
Hopefully a future Northern DMU route, like the Penistone Line, Huddersfield - Sheffield, will come, with the addition of a new 150/2
Tyseley had a fleet of Class 156's that worked the Cardiff to Nottingham service until the Turbostars were introduced. Long before the period in question though.
LucaZone would this be possible as ai at Derby as Midland mainline was set around the era the 153s operated?
To bad we don't have a class 150/1 coming good for this route and other routes and can use the 150/1 on the Goblin line and love to see like Cardiff to Bristol or Bristol to Swansea in later times
I think this will be quite an interesting route, never really drove any welsh stuff in TSC but will be interesting to drive this. Hopefully the 150 is spot on too!
Wondering whether they Will have Castle sets as GWR did run Castle sets on that route. I can't remember what routes they did but I know they were at Cardiff. Obviously unbranded or have it in FWG Livery again in Unbranded Livery. Be nice because struggling to think that Cardiff Central could be lacking lots of traffic.
What came first: Cardiff Central Glasgow Central Cardiff Queen Street Glasgow Queen Street Irl. Sorry. Slightly off topic.
