Hello all. This is going to be the first of a "series" of Suggestions, focusing on bringing New or Under-represented countries into the Game. Today, I'm starting with the Netherlands' Amsterdam - Arnhem Railway. Being my first suggestion of a Dutch route, my knowledge is going as I type this text, so I hope I'm not far off of the mark. Let's get started: Introduction: The Amsterdam - Arnhem line (Rhijnspoorweg / Rhine Railway) is a 87.4km (54.3mi) long Railway running between the Dutch cities of Amsterdam and Arnhem. Seeing a variety of services - from local/regional services to IC and ICEs from Germany, this line starts with a great advantage - it's busy. Around Amsterdam as well, the Metro of the city runs alongside the line. Route The route is 87.4km (54.3mi) long, with 19 stations. These Stations are: Amsterdam Centraal Amsterdam Muiderpoort Amsterdam Amstel Duivendrecht Amsterdam Bijlmer ArenA Amsterdam Holendrecht Abcoude Breukelen Maarssen Utrecht Zuilen Utrecht Centraal Bunnik Driebergen-Zeist Maarn Veenendal-De Klomp Ede-Wageningen Wolfheze Oosterbeek Arnhem Rolling Stock/Services I hardly know what would be more - well, important, so I'll just list all the options I've considered (Loco wise) (Drivable Services) DB/NS: ICE Operated by ICE 3M (Layer from SKA) ICE 120/220 (NS) / ICE 78 (DB): Amsterdam - Arnhem (For Frankfurt, calls at Utrecht) • 5tpd ICE 100: Amsterdam - Arnhem (For Basel SBB, Calls at Utrecht) • 1tpd NS: Nachtnet Operated by VIRM Units (VIRM Unit) Nachtnet 1400: (From Rotterdam) Amsterdam Centraal - Utrecht Centraal (No Stops Between) • 1tph, Night Only. NS: Intercity Operated by VIRM Units (VIRM Unit, again.) IC 800: (From Den Helder OR Alkmaar) Amsterdam Centraal - Utrecht Centraal (For Maastricht) (Calling at Amst. Amstel only) 2900: (From Enkhuizen) Amsterdam Centraal - Utrecht Centraal (Calling at, Amsterdam Amstel. Service for Maastricht) 3000: (From Den Gelder) Amsterdam Centraal - Arnhem (Calling at, Amst. Amstel, Utrecht Centraal, Veenendaal-De Klomp - Ede-Wageningen and Arnhem, In evenings services call at Driebergen-Zeist. Service for Nijmegen) • 2tph 3100: (From Schiphol) Amsterdam Bijlmer ArenA - Arnhem (Same stops as above, except Amstel) (Service for Nijmegen) • 2tph 3500: (From Schiphol) Amsterdam Bijlmer ArenA - Arnhem (No stops in-between) (Service for Venlo) • 2tph 3900: (From Enkhuizen) Amsterdam Centraal - Utrecht Centraal (For Heerlen) (Calling at Amst. Amstel Only) • 2tph NS: Sprinter Operated by SLT: (Sprinter Lighttrain (SLT)) 7300: Breukelen - Utrecht Centraal (For Veenendaal Centrum) • 2tph (Peak Hours ONLY) 7400: Breukelen (Or) Amsterdam Centraal - Utrecht Centraal (For Rhenen) • 2tph 14600: Amsterdam Centraal - Amsterdam Muiderpoort (No stops between, Service for Zwolle) • 2tph Operated by NS FLIRT units: (NS' FLIRT Units) 7500: Ede-Wageningen - Arnhem (All Stops) • 2tph (1tph during Evenings) AI Only: Only using stock shown above, or layers: (Amsterdam Centraal, or near) International: IC 77 (DB) / 140 (NS): 2tph (8tpd) Berlin - Amsterdam: DB BR 101 (Layer) National: IC 1500: (Terminates/Starts here) - Amersfoort OR Deventer • 2tph • VIRM IC 2100: (Terminates/Starts here) - Deng Haag Centraal • 2tph • VIRM IC 2200: (Terminates/Starts here) - Vlissingen • 2tph • VIRM IC 2600: (Terminates/Starts here) - Almere Centrum • 2tph • VIRM IC 12600: (From Groningen) Terminates Here. • 1tpd • VIRM (Potential Inclusion) Amsterdam Metro 54 This potential addition - to add to the mainline - could be the rest of the Amsterdam Metro's line 54. The line is as follows: (Italics = Station alongside mainline) (Bold = Interchange with mainline) Centraal Station Nieuwmarkt Waterlooplein Weesperplein Wibautstraat Amsterdam Amstel Spaklerweg Van der Madeweg Duivendrecht Strandvliet Amsterdam Bijlmer ArenA Bullewijk Amsterdam Holendrecht Reigersbos Grin The Metro's M5 Units run here and would be the best bet for representation. Conclusion In conclusion, I personally believe that one of Train Simulator - and so far TSW's - failings is a lack of countries - especially across the diverse rail network that is the European Continent. In TS, only France, Switzerland, Germany, and the UK are present in official content (that I know of), representing Europe. In TSW, only the UK, Germany and Switzerland appear for Europe. In Europe, the Netherlands the most requested network that is absent in TSW, and I strongly believe should be brought to the game. Long story short, let's give Train Sim World a Second Meaning! Thanks for reading. Feedback is appreciated, always, if you have anything to say, please do. ------------------------------------------------------------------ "International Series" of Suggestions. By Me. - NL: Amsterdam - Arnhem • [This Post] - I??: Coming Soon... - I wonder... - Hmm... - .. - ? (Will be updated with links and such when time progresses. Hopefully time moves soon, until then, try and figure out what the next one is, if anyone gets it right... Well you get nothing.)
Excellent idea and SKA DB BR406 has ATB EG NG indicator lights seen on the cab right side 8 & 13 therefore making it more useful along with Voltage change. Freight might be a different story since there's no Freight locomotive capable of operating ATB EG NG 1.5kv DC and there is a sleeper train operating EN 420/421. If you need questions about the Dutch Routes ask our community members from the Netherlands
Not convinced this is the most interesting Dutch route. Amsterdam-Utrecht is a pretty boring straight 4-track railroad through a flat landscape, similar to Great Western Express. Although I'm less familiar with Utrecht-Arnhem, I remember it also being large sections of straight tracks either running through forests or open landscapes for quite a distance. I'd love to see a Dutch route, but I don't think this is the most interesting route.
One of the key reasons I chose to suggest this is the potential; Of course it runs towards the German Border, and, if ever chosen to be made by DTG, the Arnhem - Oberhausen Railway (as suggested by driverwoods#1787) - As far as Duisburg - could connect with HRR. On top of that, I found the rolling stock to be fairly diverse, and have that mix of the Sprinter Services, and the Intercity services. So, whilst it may not be most interesting on earth, it seems to have some good points.
Absolutely correct combine this route with my suggestion the Duisburg Oberhausen-Arnhem Railway with Hauptstrecke Rhein-Ruhr you get a Busy Duisburg HBF and HRR Müllheim Hbf where freight trains from Amsterdam to Hagen Vorhalle run through. I can see DTG selling this as a bundle called Duisburg to Amsterdam via Arnhem & Oberhausen.
I agree, i am dutch and i take the Noord-zuidlijn (North-south line Amsterdam) Everyday, and i'd love to see this added to the game, maybe we could also get noord-zuidlijn in the game and metro S1/S2 from amsterdam, Please dovetail make this, your sim has a lot of dutch, german people.
I already suggested Amsterdam Rotterdam in the late 50's and let Dutch Classics create High Quality dlc's for TSC. I am eagering to see the "Hondekop" (Dog head EMU's), the "Muizeneus" (Mice nose EMU's) and the gracious Class 1200 locomotive (Also known as the Dutch American) hauling the "Plan D Bolkop" Coaches or a typical "van Gend & Loos" Parcel trains working this famous route passing the flower fields between Amsterdam and Leiden covered by our famous wind mills and acres with the Dutch water trenches and under a typical Dutch sky with the sheep clouds (Altocumulus) implemented in the dynamic weather pattern of TSWx.
Genius idea! can provide a completely new introduction to everybody, also for players from other countries. Promising choice can be the NS Stadler flirt 3 for TSW Together with an NS Virm if there is any space! And they would only have new additional assets like - Safety systems - signals - ATB - railway crossing - Catenary portals - Signs - Maybe another track bed Probably a lot more wish hasn't been mentioned yet. It seems most unlikely unless ChrisTrains ever wanted to start as a third parties Pary Developer then it is quite possible. But there is always hope this may still be a possibility to a near future.
I agree, I'd love to see the older Dutch rolling stock, but I fear that if we'd to see something Dutch, it'd be modern plastic stuff.
If Chris will participate in developing for TSWx is a question to ask him about. Never the less in the case of Christrains I prefer the older engines and EMU's he already created like the "Apekop", NS1600, NS2200. and the "Koploper". Much more preferable are the trains created by Dutch Classic (Images credited to: Dutch Classic) in order to get the 60's and the 70's back instead of the NS trains of the present time. Especially the "old Line" from Amsterdam to Rossendaal Passing the most famous bridges. Like the elevated tracks in Delft. The elevated tracks, bridges and bascular bridge in Rotterdam "De Hef". The longest Bridge in the NL, the "Moerdijk" bridge. Have the canopes from the famous Amsterdam Central Station, Haarlem, including is platform signal box. Den Haag Hollands Spoor. The Rotterdam South area with its branch lines and yards working the hugh amounts of harbours The Old line has a hugh variety of landscapes passing meadows of flowers as we all know about my country. The famous old Dutch Wind mills. I love them, they are more suited to the landscape instead of the Wind turbines creating energy. What we need is this rolling stock The famous "Dog Head" EMU's The streamlined "Mice Nose" EMU's The Dutch American Class 1200. They ran the Dutch railroads avan after teir retirement in the late 90's on different Freight companies in different liveries as well. They were seen until 2017 hauling freight trains The NS1100 (Offspring from the SNCF BB8100) with the "Bolkop" Coaches are this train apeares in the early 70's. These "Bolkop" Coaches did work international trains throughout Europe Plan E Coaches. A stand-alone Coach developed from the middle carriages of the "Hondekop" EMU's. Together with the Rolling stock of Chris Trains that fits the eraand as mentioned above it will be majestic and marvellous to drive the Dutch Classic trains as they once served the Dutch countrysides. And yes Class 11 and 77 have to be part of it as well. The NS1500 (EM2, Class 77) have to be part of the DLC's as well. Hauling the old Coaches as shown as above between Den Haag and Venlo. Quite often I was on these trains hauled by the NS1500. She and the 1200 were my favourite engines that worked the Dutch railroads. Concerning signal types. The NS installed the 1946 signal system strongly based on the US Search light Signal System The present signal system now has its roots in this signals. trhe Signal system that came into service in 1954 was a direct descenant from the 1946 signal system but simplified, The (Non-Working) ATB display and system is visible at the control desk of the ICE3 in TSWx. ATB is linked to the signal system of 1954 and is USA originated and has been expanded over the years even though ETCS and ERTMS is now slowly taking over. The cab systemn is present in TSWx at the US electrified routes in the north east of the US. LIRR, New Jersey Transit. Amtrak and some more railroad companies do use this system as wel all know when driving US electrified routes. Therefore Installing ATB in TSWx should not be difficult. It is only a matter of changing the Signal aspects according the Dutch ATB Signal System. Dovetail Games does have that experience already. I urge DTG to have this route done and lets run the Dutch most famous Railroad line and lets become part of the British Rail London to Amsterdam line. Via Harwich-Hoek van Holland. Let do this........!!!!!
Count me in for some Netherlands, seems interesting and a lot different compared to others, the trains look like they’d be fun to use also. No idea which route and where but something scenic with German layers already in the game would be good.
German layers doesn't cope with the Dutch countrysides. Neither the track bed does. Therefore German layers are inappropiate to use in the Netherlands. A small example are the Meadows and Fields. Farmland does have water trenches which are unique and no other country elsewere has this type of trenches. An other small example are the houses and especially the mansions that are in Amsterdam, Haarlem and other cities that lasted since the medivals. No were else in Europe/world these type of houses are found. A third example is the road design. The road design, road signs, road lay out, side walks, etc, etc, hughly differs from the surrounding countries. For this reason all assets and dlc's has to be designed and created seperately from standard layers.
Pretty confident there's some international traffic, both passenger and freight, so there's at least a limited possibility to use German trains on Dutch tracks.
Me too and the best value is actually making this an extension of HRR becoming Hollandstrecke Duisburg Bochum Arnhem 145 km 90 miles that way we have busy a busy Mülheim an der Ruhr Styrum with HRR S3s following a Netherlands bound freight train. Even challenging operating an iron ore train over HRR tracks
DTG please hurry for the v-IRM. Shortly all trains are modified and the original style is no longer investigated from the real.
Torugh all your replies on this; i really want this route and it would be perfect. The VIRM and the Koploper are 2 of the most iconics. Also Utrecht centraal is actually insane big. It is one of the biggest station it the netherlands. This route would be very GPU intensife lol. But I am serious-this is actually one of those good suggestions! it must also include the br 186, becaus eit netherlands it is used for freight, and also for the intercitys around rotterdam to den haag. It is a formation you dont see much: 1x br 186, some dutch IC coaches dont really know how much, 1x br 186. so it has 2 locos, you dont really see that much. cheers!
Isn't those from Zwolle-Groningen route VIRM ICM Koploper. Why not add in the ICNG train here too with DB BR408
Icng dont run over the amsterdam to anrhem section only over the highspeed line betweem amsterdam and breda and brussels and the hague to eindhoven and as for the br408 it could prob come for an new german route like maybe koln frankfurt?
You missed a few sprinters. this route is really busy. They mostly drive with SNG and SLT (and SGM about 5 years ago before SNG) 4000: (Uitgeest) - Amsterdam - Breukelen - (Woerden - Rotterdam) 4600: Amsterdam Centraal - Amsterdam Muiderpoort - (Weesp - Almere Oostvaarders) 5800: Amsterdam Centraal - Amsterdam Muiderpoort - (Weesp - Amersfoort Vathorst) 7300: Breukelen (Yard) - Utrecht - Rhenen (interesting if they added that small branch on this line too and thus have an end to end service) 7400: (Uitgeest) - Amsterdam - Utrecht - Driebergen Zeist (A very interesting station) Driven with NS FLIRT 7500: Arnhem to Ede Wageningen (End to end service) AI 4300: (Den haag) - Duivendrecht - (Lelystad) 4900: Utrecht - (Almere Centrum) Sprintercity 5500: Utrecht - (Baarn) 5600: Utrecht - (Amersfoort - Zwolle) 5700: Utrecht - (Hilversum - Weesp) - Duivendrecht - (Amsterdam RAI - Used to go to Hoofddorp) 6000: ('s Herogenbosch- Houten) - Utrecht - (Woerden - Den haag) 6700: (Tiel - Houten) - Utrecht - (Woerden - Leiden) 7600: (Nijmegen) - Arnhem - (Zutphen) I'm sure I missed a couple but I think even though it's a very flat and straight part of the countries rail network as most of it is. I think with a mostly complete timetable it has the potential to be a very good route. having it release as one of the first DLC's won't make it great though. the lack of stock will really show and it will feel like an empty and straight route where you just drive with constant greens. And I didn't even start on the Amsterdam Metro that runs in the middle of the 4 track main line for a good bit. With 2tph (4 in rush hour) of sprinters on the Utrecht - Amsterdam corridor, an intercity every 10 minutes in both directions. an ICE or freight containing heavy coal trains and containers from amsterdam to Germany (usually going on the betuweroute after Utrecht - Geldermalsen but not always. The occasional measurement train and museum train to the Railway museum in Utrecht. this route can be very busy. ICE's run the full route stopping and starting from Amsterdam Centraal - Utrecht - Arnhem and take just under an hour for the full line. There are numerous IC lines driven with ICM, VIRM and DDZ in the area, some part of the line and some the entirety. The NJ's run with NS vectrons and ÖBB NJ wagons only but an occasional Bmz. the other one runs with ÖBB and SBB wagons, sometimes a few DB ones too. they are rarely on time and an interesting chaos if they come in 2h delayed and clog up the line. For freight usually DB vectron's and DB 189's are used. they mainly run A-B but have the occasional hold at Maarssen, Duivendrecht, Utrecht or anywhere else there still is a waiting track or platform free. Occasionally there can be NS 1700's or other operators 6400's seen running various local trains from Amersfoort. Rail Force one also runs various locomotives and services. Most local freight spurs have been sectioned off though. In utrecht there were two (Lage Weide and Strukton that are still interesting to see but disused. Utrecht itself has many yards that trains frequently enter and leave during the day as trains get split and combined. especially the north yard at track 1 through 4. the big yard at Cartesiusweg is also used as storage for multiple trains such as even the new ICNGs. Amsterdam Zaanstraat is used for many trains too. whilst Amsterdam Science park holds most international trains like the ICNG, NJ and ICE but also Eurostar and the Intercity Direct trainsets to Belgium are stored there. Arnhem is the smallest of the three. but still a decent station with lots of traffic and a yard. Just outside the station going to germany you will also get some regional traffic to there. driven by Arriva and VIAS. There also is a freight yard As a local to the line I'd love to see and drive it ingame but I think going for it soon is not a good idea. the fun in the route will lie in how busy it is and interacting with the other services. I think cutting it in half will make it feel really short. going through utrecht to me is a very important thing. making the route the full length it could be compared to Brighton Mainline and the diversity of Dresden - Riesa.
Would be fun to use the hop feature to continue a service along further. as a single route I think Amsterdam - Arnhem is about the length limit.
I had the same idea given we have the ICE 3M (I‘m a huge ICE fan) which would run along this line. The length of 90km is very good given we cannot expect TSC level of route lengths anymore. I also found out that both the Koploper and Sprinter run on this line so the Zwolle-Groningen stock can layer onto here. As for a potential new train (I think a Velaro should rather be included in a German route) maybe the Stadler Flirt 3 is an option.
