Mittenwaldbahn Discussion Thread!

I don’t mind £33 price tags. As long as the route is as detailed as it can get. Like WCML OS.


£33 for a route that is mostly single track is a shock, yes.
But I have a feeling the scenery will more than certainly compensate for that increase, and from the screenshots, it’s looking to be.

 

I think we already know the answer.

 

Looking forward for this route.

And do not mind to pay a higher price, as I a expect premium quality.

TSG has delivered so far my favourite route and my favourite loco.

 

Oh my! Is it really mostly a single track route? If so, that would be a red flag for me. I mean what about traffic levels?

 

Well, the details are already known. Its all in the MIT article:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/mittenwaldbahn-coming-february-11th.88878/#post-960724

To be precise, ÖBB 1020 has a total of 104 playable services, the BR111 only 63.

 

For me it is a plus that it is single track.

 

Same here, one of the reasons I like Niddertalbahn and Maintalbahn, far more interesting than double or multiple track. Potential for "chaos" too, with disruption building through the day, particularly if/when the bug with subsequent service saves is sorted.

Bring it on!

 

Saying you prefer single track railways is a rationalization in my opinion. Passing 5 or less trains in a 40 km run is hardly " busy ". I'm not saying the route is not very good. After all Niddertalbahn set a high standard for scenery.

But, like Nidder, being a single track line, it may lose its attraction quite quickly, especially if you don't like frequent tunnels.

It seems that its main attraction is the rolling stock. Well that's fine, but it's not enough for me. I think I'll pass on this one.

 

I too think it is a good thing it is a single track route. Most of the routes we have are double or more tracks, there is another side to railways other than express or commuter traffic.

I think it will be well worth the money and I suspect will become one of my favourite routes.

At least you know there is a good chance it will be released in a finished state.

 

Yes there is that with TSG. But, nicely done as it was, Nidder didn't keep my attention for very long and I fear this route will be the same. Sorry. Enjoy. But for $50, just not my cup of tea.

 

Yeah but if enough people buy this route, it will convince DTG that their less detailed routes are worth the same...

 

Only if people buy them! They read the forums they know that TSG has a very good reputation.

 

You think why people are spending more on certain routes matters to DTG & Focus? Save this message. WCML Preston to Carlisle was the 1st test. This is the 2nd. If this sells well, the next DTG route will be £ 32.99...

 

Don’t waste your breath. These people can’t live without their fix, they are like addicts.

They will pay any amount DTG deem fit. DTG will give you less for more and you’ll just take it. It’s a sorry state of affairs.

 

Looks really good but not my cup of proverbial tea however I will still watch streams etc of it

 

I'm fine with spending a bit more on 3rd party add-ons like this and WCMLOS, but I would not spend more than 30 or so on a DTG add-on, given the usual lack of quality and interesting rolling stock. Maybe 35 if it's a above average route for DTG with interesting new rolling stock, but those are all but extinct it seems. I'm sure there's many others like me who would pay more for good quality third party routes, but not for mediocre buggy DTG content.

 

Passing trains on a double track route are just moving scenery. Passing trains on a single track route actually make you do something. Each time you pass a train, you're going to get a stop signal and probably a slow diverging route into a station. On this route's gradients, with tap changer electric locos, I imagine that's going to be a challenge to do reasonably smoothly.

 

Got myself a new Graphics Card and awaiting the release. It will be a difficult route and you need lot of concentration I guess (refering to the steep grades in combination with old tech non-computer-aided locomotive) but I'm in for the challange.
Actually it's a day one purchase because it comes from TSG and they delivered high quality all the time!

 

I had issues with the TSC version with trying to remain stopped at stations on the steep incline, a couple of times getting a “game over” for moving with the doors open. Particularly loading up a saved game. This will be one route I think careful thoughts as to where you save and resume will be needed and probably not at a station.

 

The Tunnels arent that long and there arent that many as far as i know.
They most likely are just very short as they at most only need to prevent the track from making weird turns and keeping the speedlimit up.
For variety, the route is a single track one yes, but for me a double track one often does have less charm and personality than a single track one.
Garmisch and Innsbruck most likely will have as much AI as possible too.
For variety while driving, you wont need that, because the 1020 will take all of your attention in order to work. Especially with 3% gradients and a long heavy cargo train.

 

Imagine that not all runs are green light!

Makes a change.

 

As I said, this is why I want DTG to sort out the save game collapse on subsequent runs if you try and maintain a persistent world. Total chaos factor!

 

I'm not sure they are ever going to, if it doesn't impact sales of new shiny routes?

 

I think you're right. It's probably a dead issue for DTG. They have no incentive to fix the save feature, it seems like it's just a few of us who bang on about it.

 

Hang about. Didn’t you very recently loudly proclaim on this forum that you were ‘done with buying DLC’ only to buy the very next DTG route on day one? Yes, yes, you did. Nothing wrong with changing your mind but you can’t accuse others of doing wrong by buying content when you are the same as them, potentially worse than them because you say one thing but do another. Accusing other people of being addicts because they buy content when you can’t even resist just days after telling everyone you were quitting. It’s hypocrisy. You’ll no doubt be buying this route and at the higher price too so your words mean a lot less than your actions.

 

I'm quite willing to admit to being a train addict. I've suffered from this affliction for many years. I've tried to get help but some people keep tempting and taunting me with new trains. It's so bad I actually go into stores wearing dark glasses and a false beard to buy gift cards.
And I've gone without my dinner 'cause I've spent all my money on trains.
Woe is me!!

 

Dm me if you need help. Or a link to the steam store for Mittenwaldbahn /s

 

I don't think DTG would get a particularly good response if the current roadmap routes are £32.99. They might just get away with it with the Cardiff route as it has two trains and one of those isn't really new. If they bought out something stellar I would pay more especially something BR blue or from the steam period.

I personally don't see them starting to charge that much, especially when they release routes before they are even finished.

 

This is what I think the pricing is supposed to mean in TSW. Yes, it is expensive, but it’s the way it is I guess.

£24.99 is for shorter or quieter routes with maybe minimal rolling stock (eg. GOBLIN for its length, not saying it’s bad or anything)
£29.99 is the standard route pricing which includes decent route length and good stock (eg. Frankfurt Fulda)
£32.99 is reserved for the premium routes that offer the most, both visually, realistically and stock wise. (Eg. WCML OS, or maybe Mittenwaldbahn)

 

The irony is palpable.

I am supposed to one of the fanboys, an enabler, someone who fights DTG's battles for them and other such nonsense and I haven't bought it because I don't think it has a) been released in a good enough state and b) I don't think it is worth the full price for what it offers. I think they have done a good job on the modelling of it, for the record.

I remember the FCL line thread when it was released and a certain poster was implying anyone buying FCL was letting the "community" down.

 

As much as a route can be good or terrible, people are entitled to what they think. And if they don’t want a certain route, that’s okay.

People have different tastes to the routes they want, and that’s also fine.

 

What should be fixed? I use it a lot and it works quite reliable now. Sometimes I see that a wiper state is not restored, but nothing serious.

 

I experience at least 3 issues when I am loading saved runs:
1) I got red traffic lights for services I know do not have this issues.
2) Sifa goes mute, so I do not hear the alarm, which is annoying as the light is not always easy to see.
3) sometimes the service is directly gone, so I am running a train that apparently goes nowhere.

So, IMO after the crash issues that are a plague (at least for PS5 players), saving the issue of saving is the second priority.

Precisely when the recommended workaround for the first issue, it is to safe on a regular basis.

Not to add, that almost never I have time to run a route of one hour or more in one go.

So please DTG, fix this ASAP.

 

People said this when some routes went to £29.99. Then that became the standard.

Save this post. By the middle of the year, standard DTG routes will be £32.99. They charged full price for a shortish route with no new rolling stock...

 

I travelled from Innsbruck to Seefeld in Tirol and back in December on a Talent 1. Even though is mostly single track the gradients and scenery were very impressive. Notice in the bottom picture how there's no snow at Innsbruck, whereas the journey up to Seefeld in Tirol - only just 35 minutes travel time - has thick snow and demonstrates how much altitude the route gains.

Here are some real-life pics of the scenery taken from on-board the train:





All pictures taken by me

 

The bad answers from the community will be temporary (and anyway does DTG care?), we must not forget that DTG has the monopoly on railway simulation. They will complain that it is expensive, DTG will go radio silent and the new price will pass then they will make the routes done by third parties even more expensive than the new standard price and the players will pay even if we pass from 35/40€ to 50€ (I don't know what the £ is so I'm talking in €) because quality. As I said on another thread, it goes up slowly but the wallet goes down violently.

 

Why do we keep talking about DTG price policy when this is a thread dedicated to a Non-DTG-product?
Would be great to come back to the route.

 

This is also a good reminder of the fact that both of the higher-priced routes have been 3rd party products, and all recent DTG routes have been the standard price.

 

Standard price for a route without new rolling stock was £25. £30 for a route which included a new train.
Pricing is actually very pertinent as if DTG keep on with this policy of stealth price rises (plus no pre release purchase discount) people will start to walk away even from third party quality items, at full price and wait for a sale.

 

For me, a couple of well-made routes per year with a lot of rolling stock are enough (like Innsbruck).
Price also 60/70 euros each, no problem.
In any case, I don't even spend 4 euros for an addon like Kaiserslautern (which, let me say, is unpresentable).
It's just a way to use up my SSD uselessly.
Then if some users buy anything without considering the quality/price ratio, that's their problem.
Not mine.

 

But how do you extrapolate a "DTG policy" from two 3rd party routes, when DTG's own routes don't actually follow this supposed policy?

 

Really haven’t got a clue what you’re on about, old boy. But I would imagine DTG have the final say on pricing, even for third party content.

However I do agree this is a bit of a digression from the purpose of this thread so will let the price issue rest.

 

I have personally always only bought routes when they were on sale. Even the 30€ price was already too expensive for me. You gotta put things into perspective if you buy many add-ons over the course of a year… It adds up, and TSW is not the only video game franchise I’m interested in.
Ever since they started pricing almost all the newer routes at 35€ (even those with low quality and/or without new rolling stock), I’ve been willing to wait even longer for steeper sales. Let me be clear… I’ll only pay as much for a route as I think it’s worth. That also means better routes (like Blackpool or Suffragette) become attractive with smaller discounts compared to others.

The only route I’ve made an exception for in that regard is Niddertalbahn back in 2023. I bought it on launch day, and I didn’t regret it - the route is superb and was something completely new for TSW at the time. I did the entire journey mode, and many of my routes continue to be elevated by the BR 628 layers. So I definitely got my money’s worth.
I remember being super impressed by the preview stream back then. So if the TSG guys pull off another superb preview this week, I might just go for Mittenwaldbahn on launch day as well.

 

Looking at the Preview stream at the moment, this is spectacular.


TSG took their work from Niddertalbahn and made it 100x better.

I would say from my perspective, this scenery is the best we’ve seen for TSW. To date.

WCML OS comes close, but honestly, this takes the cake.

 

Day one purchase for me, very good route quality

 

I'm not a particular fan of German stuff, however I did watch some of the preview. The detail, scenery and overall add on was absolutely spectacular... Nearly enough to entice me in even as someone who usually strictly UK content! The preview really done it justice.

Some other developers should take note.

 

Day one purchase for me too. Scenery looks great, I love the loco's and stock coming with it. Looks like a very good quality package.

 

Thoughts on comments in another thread that the preview stream, which I haven’t watched myself, was stuttering and presumably accompanied by sound squelching, something terribly?

 

This route looks fantastic. I have one follow-up question. Will the team be making any revisions to the 1020 to release a DB/ DR Br E94/ 194 variant pack? These would make an excellent addition to routes such as MSB. Alternatively, would they consider some alternative liveries for the 1020 (e.g. Tannengruen?)