Enough Is Enough!!!

I agree that the early days of TSW were the best. The people at DTG seemed to be more committed and cared about what they were putting out.

Now it seems to me that they are much less interested and may be gradually abandoning route and loco building to 2nd and 3rd parties as they appear to have done with TSC. I wonder, as others do, just how many route and loco builders remain at DTG.

Personally I think that the " magic " pretty much disappeared after Rush Hour.

Is this a good development? If it means more quality output from the likes of JT and TSG maybe it is. Or is it the abnegation of responsibility for what carries the name of TSW to all-comers, good or bad?

One thing is certain. It may bode well in the long run for fans of British and German railways, but it looks like curtains for North American players.

 

Does Peak Forest have them green diesels yet

 

Been on the roadmap coming up for 2 years now (Class 104 expansion pack), and we get drip fed small snippets of development from time to time.

I fear by the time it is ready for release it'll be a bit late and we may already have a completely updated game title that leaves UE4 behind.

It's a damn shame as Peak Forest is criminally under rated and has so much potential!

 

It has also been spotted the route has no reverb for bridges and tunnels over the line, which was pretty much accepted as standard from TSW4. Not good at all.

Oh as regards the Class 104 and green diesels for PFR, I remain entirely sceptical the whole project is not now vapourware. Happy to be proved wrong but I would bet my beanie hat there will be nothing new on the next roadmap, still in the > 3 month, i.e. we haven't got a fudging clue when, category.

 

i have done 4 scenarios now on Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn DLC
can not say that any of those where really exciting
1 with snow and mist and the sight was very poor
seen to many snow scenarios anyway
the one with the vip was also poor
the other 2 short scenarios ones where ok
now i only got the 2 longer ones left to do (duration)
the route itself seems ok

 

I probably have built another model railway. And could scratch build a 104 for it.

 

I do like your turn of phrase "content with the current managed decline", says it all really. We can only suppose that Focus were attracted to DTG because of their DLC money machine bringing in regular cash. As long as that continues, why bother to waste resources on innovation or developing further the core? Let's milk this cash cow then move on to another acquisition. Only thing is, being owned by a parent company means more mouths to feed, so let's bump up those prices to compensate and let's keep pumping those DLC out folks. Tight on time? Publish anyway then fix the worst, it'll be forgotten in a few months.

Like many I used to buy most things day one, but now wait for a sale unless it's something highly desirable like JT, who at least gives us top quality and new classic UK locos. A real pity we can't go back to the good old TSW days of optimism and seemingly endless possibility (okay a little rose-tinted ).

 

A nice turn of phrase and very apt.

 

To be fair though since day one when Focus took over DTG did say that Focus was not going to change anything as they were basically letting DTG continue what they were doing.

The game is still a success because sales seem to be getting higher every year and last I checked more sales means success in the business world.

Also how is this any different than TSC was run. If memory serves me right the 3rd party DLC was better than DTG DLC on TSC as well. Of course there were exeptions, just like Rivet in TSW.

They have been doing this since 2013 so why would it change after 12 years.

 

The game is a flop.

 

It makes millions of dollars more than you do..so how could it be a flop.

By your theory McDonalds is a flop because they serve low quality food

 

TSC was able to be supplemented by 3rd parties in a way that TSW isn't. 3rd parties have to go through DTG for everything in TSW. Success in sales maybe but from a enthusiast point of view it's seriously stagnated. 37s are virtually non existent, 56s and 60s nowhere to be seen. Steam is done unless Thomas counts. I guess one handled EMUs and modern red German trains sell in such high numbers that the rest of railway operations can be forgotten or just given a token nod....

 

It's a flop to you.

The sales it's generated prove it is far from such.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Insulting]

 

I think your reply proves who the child is here.

 

I guess it is. Since I'm one of these who only like modern one handled EMUs and DMUs.

Thats what I drove in real life for 26 years.

I wait for sales on Retro, Steam and US freight.

 

I guess that is a consequence of having all reused stock, and nothing else to show for it. They’ve created a really tasty sandwich with no bread at all. Which defeats the point in it.

The route itself is great, scenery is not bad and it’s quite pretty. But gameplay wise? What a borefest. With no new locos, it’s like getting your dusty PlayStation 3 out the attic to play with.

Kaiserslautern is certainly turning out to be a very unpopular route. Am I shocked? Nah, not really.

 

Same here... though for me it was TSW 5 rather than 4. You really don´t miss much after stepping off the endless carousel of DLC. It´s like quitting cigarettes. After a couple of weeks you are over it for reason you stated: DLC is just abandoned after release and does not change or get fixed. Unlike Train Sim Classic DLC... Hagen-Siegen from 2012 is still beeing worked on by the freeware community. Version 4 of Hagen-Siegen released a couple of months ago on Railsim forum representing Hagen-Siegen in in modern day state with KS signalling. In TSW Ruhr-Sieg Nord just stays as it was many years ago. Same goes for all the other routes in TSW. It´s just a bunch of small little worlds, that release in whatever state and never change afterwards. It´s just not for me and if other people enjoy that kind of thing, that´s fine. In TSW it feels like most players gather on these forums listing wishes about what DLC could be made and how DTG can fix old DLC. But at the end of the day, it´s all just talk and going round and round in circles, waiting for the next fix, with nothing actually happening besides the usual formular (Mannheim-Kaiserlautern) along the occasional "wow" every two years by Just Trains and TSG. It´s very preditable and boring for me personaly.

 

Nope your reply of they make more money than you do [EDIT - Jan - Insulting]

 

What you said here is pathetic:

As is this:

Learn to ignore people instead of replying if you don't like what they say.

 

If you play with feathers get your *fill in the blank tickled*...

Look, the last thing you want is to get warning from moderation team on Monday. So just chill out for second.

This forum is full of lively debates. I'm not saying who is right or who is wrong, but when you start hurling insults at people it will be matched and drag an arguement on unnecessarily. Sometimes you have to accept you have provoked a situation. You're both probably nice fellas in real life and would get on fine, so don't let a debate like this turn personal over something it doesn't need to.

It's good to have a lively debates, but it doesn't need to turn into hurling insults, it doesn't aid your argument and it seems a little unprovoked.

I'm not trying to be a moderator, but see sense and recognise what you're saying is not adding to a debate it's just name calling.

 

Wow, Enough is Enough kicking off again, definitely never seen this before…I’m super duper shocked.

 

Yes the last thing we need is the thread locking due to some bickering.

 

Yes, it's always the same small group of people ( pun intended ) that resort to foul language and personal insults, often choosing the weekend when they know moderation is minimal.

The solution, as we've been told time and time again, is to completely ignore them. But many find it impossible and then engage in a " my Dad's bigger than your Dad " back and forth which is exactly what these trolls want.

 

Looks like the moderators have stepped in and removed the offending items just in time!

 

I've finally decided to uninstall TSW. Even with its many problems I've enjoyed TSW for many years and played every title for at least 600h individually. But since TSW 5 I'm just annoyed by DTG. Performance on FTF is still sh**, bugs just keep getting carried along and Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn is just an insult for a quite awesome route. DTG has a product with so much potential and keeps driving it into a wall. And whilst some third-party developers are releasing good DLCs, I'm just annoyed at the direction DTG seems to keep turning back again.
In the past TSW had the advantage of being unique with its graphics and gameplay features, but the competition is catching up. If DTG is starting to fix the bugs and starts to put some effort beyond the bare minimum into the development of new DLCs I'm happy to return.
I think this screenshot says enough about the lost appeal in playing TSW:

 

Completely agree with you there. A very good post!

What seems to get under my skin more then anything when this valid criticism is brought to their attention is the response we get is: "well our numbers show its selling X amount of has this much mileage achieved by players... " which comes across as very dismissive and as a complete deflection away from the criticism. For me at least that attitude is a bit of a kick in the teeth... It just comes across as "lap it up, or leave it. It doesn't bother us now we think we've got said amount of players in".

I don't think DTG see it themselves yet, but if they continue down this route it may push enough players away, and by the time they've fixed it and decided to revert the game to a very good quality with good DLC it might be little to late to gain the consistent players back...

 

Would you say that in general, TSW4 runs better, as in more optimized, than TSW5? Seems 5 needed a little bit more tweaking and still seems more stuttery? Even to the point of suggestions that we not run dynamic weather because it is affecting performance?

 

DTG has shown often enough, that as long people will buy it, they won't change. Players can complain as loud as they want, but in the end, the sales are what counts. If enough people want to support this behavior with their money, that's fine for me. I'm done supporting this. If the annoyance outweighs the joy of playing it's time to stop.

 

DTG must understand that JUST Trains will not be able to bail them out every year. And I suppose DTG have also finally realized that with this engine you can no longer do anything serious and you have to start from scratch and they are delaying this moment as much as they can. Therefore, we are waiting for the satisfied faces of the employees again at the presentation of TSW6 a couple of "innovations" and short term "wow" effect from the new masterpiece of JUST TRAINs

 

How are the sales numbers for Ludwigsbahn anyway? If the lack of reviews is anything to go by, they're down substantially which could be a good thing. Maybe customers, even those that aren't around here on the forum etc, have finally decided to not buy these mediocre releases anymore? Maybe something good will come from it? (Probably not but hope always dies last ey).

 

I've given up on DTG and I think I will deinstall TSW soon and not even waiting for Wales. The potential of this game is just left on the ground, for me it never took up despite early enthusiasm for it. And this really make me sad because I really want to drive trains, I have a lot of fun doing it. But over and over again DTG especially ruins the fun, wether with technical issues or with short comings from routes or stock.

 

I find myself playing tsc a lot more than tsw these days. I'll spend 20 hours or more on tsc a week, compared to 20 mins or so on tsw.
I was hoping tsw would be a good replacement for tsc but with the door pretty much closed for third party development. And the door completely shut for people like myself, that would be more than happy to correct the mistakes dtg don't seem interested in fixing. It's no match, never will be!

 

I see a pair of trainers in sports direct last week. Now I know where they got the idea for the design.

 

I haven't played TSW for several months now but that's jointly down to a refusing to purchase any more content after they upped the addons prices to £29.99 (you honestly don't want to hear my opinion about the latest price hike) and the fact that there's only so many times you can play the old stuff before it becomes a little too boring.

If truth be told though, having trawled through a mountain of comments that have been posted since my last visit I can't help but feel TSW is still on a bit of a downwards trajectory in the old quality control department, so in hindsight it's not an entirely bad thing that I decided to take a breather from the forums and direct my interests elsewhere because even back then the talking to a brick wall thing was enough to make me want to tear my hair out so I dread to think what many more months of [what felt like] fruitless discussion would have done to me.

One question I really, really need to ask though is what on earth is "over shap"?
I've seen it mentioned multiple times and really can't think what it could possibly be.

 

The new(ish) Just Trains route from Preston to Carlisle in the 80's, aka "WCML Over Shap". Regarded as probably the best UK route for TSW to date along with the Class 87 tap changer AC electric. Marred only by the performance issues and sound glitches which periodically impart a "lip smacking effect" or oscillate what should be smooth sounding electric sounds.

 

Are you perhaps asking about the geographic feature known as " Shap Fell "?

Not myself being from the UK perhaps Vern or someone could better describe it?

All I know is that it's the highest point on the West Coast Main Line.

 

I just answered above your post. Shap is indeed a geographic location on the route, both the Fell and a small town, more like large village.

 

Probably the most strange UK train

 

Yeah. If I hadn't seen them in rl I'd think they come from the toy shop

 

Don't give them ideas.

Coming soon after 3 months of announcements of announcements dates, a fireside chat, a full timetable, and multiple project deep dives.

The Parry People Mover.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised any more.

 

Was concerned to see no mention of performance issues in the roadmap article (unless I've missed something). They promised significant fixes in the new year. These have not yet been delivered, and if swept under the rug (which I recognise is likely) would be most disappointing.

 

No mention and this is why I’m eager to see the Q&A thread for the Roadmap stream to go up, but they seem to be holding out.

 

Overall DTG have been very quiet on the forum too which is unusual heading into mid February.

 

Agree, this doesn’t bode well. Maybe they’re working on something else excellent? Maybe?

 

Didn't we just get a massive update that people were complaining was so big.

I think that was the update in the New Year they were talking about. So it was already released.

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/train-sim-world-5-game-update-january-21st.88640/

 

Yeah sure we had an update, but it didn’t fix performance - https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/jan-21-updates.88642/page-2#post-959362

 

Precisely! And from what’s been reported in another thread, the preview of Mittenwaldbahn has the sound distortion/squelching and stuttering evident every 10 seconds or so on the preview stream. Not good at all. How can the senior management of this game sit on their hands and not do or say anything about the state it’s in?

 

{XboxX} I left TSW to play MSFS year ago, expecting to play trains hardly ever since then. Now after shameful MSFS2024 premiere and conduct I found time to give a TSW5 go, finding it in much worse condition than year ago. It seems to me that,, quoting someone's words, "Worseimpro" politic is common to all devs ( and politicians, artists, writers, directors, etc) . Worseimpro means improvemts which overall worsen the situation