I can really recommend the shortest Flying Scotsman railtour service on Fife Circle. It’s just under half an hour I believe, going non-stop from Waverley to Dunfermline. In typical Rivet fashion, it lacks passenger boarding tasks for some reason (although one could also argue that they left these out to simulate the long stops at the stations that happen between the timetable services). Anyways, it’s still pretty cool. You can time your departure from Waverley for some parallel running with a Class 385, and then you get some adverse signals after crossing the Forth Bridge. Pretty fun overall!
This was excellent! I loved all the traffic around Preston and the AI sounding horns as they moved. I was a good 15 minutes late heading Lancaster and got further held there. On approaching Carlisle, I think the run broke the dispatcher. I was held for a while and finally had to remove a train occupying platform 3. Thank you for posting this. With that, we have the latest update: noir has complied a list of Matching Services between FTF and KWG (and BRO): https://forums.dovetailgames.com/posts/904330/ Google Published Documents: TSW3-5 Recommended Service Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...4lUuBrw-k2_y7FxuzH6mZ1m3Qu4YTfLViTfxQ/pubhtml TSW1-2 Recommended Service Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet..._wzt7qTCooxSTBW8pGAwYLs_ohsdDOcQOuZ4A/pubhtml Chaos Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...yCTbHVZrwBSBUUkPiiJGlTWfRXexfPn7kBVDw/pubhtml Excel Spreadsheets: TSW3-5 Recommended Service Runs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ouid=108028767534258522758&rtpof=true&sd=true TSW1-2 Recommended Service Runs https://drive.google.com/file/d/14YgilvnKZFc7TJXyqftRJ0I5yTMlMf81/view?usp=sharing Chaos Runs https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cMKrwNA2OmZz8tVEQo1_FZnRZXpNT463/view?usp=sharing
Of course! Loco - Flying Scotsman Route - Fife Circle Line Service - 1Z74: Flying Scotsman Fife Railtour Path: Edinburgh Waverley - Dunfermline City Time of Day: 14:14 Duration: 00hrs 25min ________ What is special about this service: Can do some parallel running with a Class 385 out of Waverley, adverse signals after crossing the Forth Bridge. Recommended weather: Summer, Light Clouds
A few ones to add: WCML South 1R08 in Class 390/0 Lancaster to Euston at 7.25 Spoiler You are stopped by a red just outside Watford Junction due to a Pendolino in front of you still being at the platform. Afterwards you encounter intermittent yellow signals all the way to Euston. Some of this may be due to AI 390s only going up to 110mph as there is usually at least a few minutes spacing between Avanti services so stacking up like that only happens when the service in front runs late. But makes for a fun drive regardless Frankfurt-Fulda I saw ICE276 in the BR 401 mentioned in relation to a regional service but thought it was worth an entry in its own right on the list. Spoiler Lots of PZB action between Hanau and Fulda Preston-Carlisle I think there is a mistake on the railtour mentioned in the sheet as the posts describing this service were about part 1 of the 'Stone Scratcher' service between Cardiff and Harpenden in the Class 47 rather than the Flying Scotsman railtour. The headcode for the stone scratcher Class 47 railtour is 1Z31. I haven't played the Flying Scotsman railtour so it's possible that service has a similar traffic issue, but just thought I'd point that out.
I really enjoyed those runs, especially the one on FFA. Thanks. Thanks as well for pointing out the error of the WCML OS run. It was posted as a rail tour, so I assumed that it was the Scotsman. It is now corrected on the sheet.
I've run this one at current date and all interesting I got was one Vr 0 along the whole way, arrived just one minute late because snowy conditions.
I was just thinking it had been too long since I drove the Expert 101! I ran this twice in the expert timetable, both in June. The first time, I drove conservatively and had a thunderstorm. I passed a freight wrong line running just outside of Traunstein and pulled into Traunstein 2 minutes late with the freight already having crossed over to my track in front of me. The second time, I drove like a wild man, started passing the freight about 10km outside of Traunstein. I closed the doors at Traunstein about two minutes early and then started leaving just as the freight was passing and taking the crossover to get in front of me. So, both late and early, I had the freight in front of me. I am sorry you didn't have the same experience, but I am not sure what happened. The freight in question in DGS 44855 (part 2).
2K39 - London Euston to Milton Keynes Central on the new timetable. I love running 350's on this route because there's always overtaking and undertaking by other trains which adds to the fun. And this run is no exception. Run it in December under clear weather and if you're lucky you'll get a snow storm half way through making it a challenge to keep to time. If you're on time at Tring you'll get a bunch of AI passing, kicking up snow everywhere!
Here is a really nice set of express runs mentioned by pasquiles in the DB BR 218 Feedback thread: The Lubeck turn on HHL: Start with the 218 in RE 83 (11430) at 09:15. Really nice AI leaving Hamburg and then . . . Spoiler: Run it before reading! . . . adverse signals as you are behind a local service until you pass it at Bad Oldesloe. Once you arrive at Lubeck and finish the service, continue in free roam to walk/run to the platform just to your left and take over the Cabcar headed back to Hamburg, RE 83 (11453) at 10:03 which also has some Spoiler: Issues! Run it first. You wait at Bad Oldesloe while a regional crosses over in front of you then catch up to a train you are following just before the first stop outside of Hamburg. Edit: Spreadsheets up to date.
In anticipation of Pfälzishce Ludwigsbahn, I have spend some time in the 425 and found this nice ECS run on BRO: RE Nordenham - Bremen Hbf at 00:06 Linespeed gets up to 160, though the HUD will keep you at 140. I drove HUDless and went 160 where indicated by signage and got no penalties for overspeed. It's more fun at 160! Spoiler: Don't click here until you run it! Chase a freight into Bremen.
Technically, for purists, the 425 can go up to 160 only under LZB. 140 is the vmax for PZB operation.
LZB overrules the written Vmax on trains? didn't know that was the case. can the 114 run 160 on FTF too then?
I just noticed that it looks like KWG is in fact using 2020 timetable, which means that it matches seamlessly with the timetable Hamburg-Kassel/Kirchheim-Veddel_2020 in Zusi! I did not compile the full list yet, but here you have just a quick taste of what can be done if you continue across the game boundaries: ICE 91 Hamburg-Altona – Wien Hbf: 07:57 – 10:01 Hamburg-Harburg (Abzw Veddel) – Göttingen (Zusi, 411+411) 10:21 – 11:31 Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe – Würzburg Hbf (KWG, 401) ICE 275 Berlin Ostbf – Interlaken Ost: 06:20 – 07:12 Hildesheim Hbf – Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe (Zusi, 401) 07:12 – 07:44 Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe – Fulda (KWG, 401) 07:43 – 08:42 Fulda – Frankfurt Hbf (FTF, 401) ICE 277 Berlin Ostbf – Basel SBB: 08:20 – 09:12 Hildesheim Hbf – Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe (Zusi, 401) 09:12 – 09:44 Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe – Fulda (KWG, 401) 09:43 – 10:42 Fulda – Frankfurt Hbf (FTF, 401) ICE 581 Hamburg-Altona – München Hbf: 06:00 – 07:21 Ehlershausen – Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe (Zusi, 401) 07:21 – 08:29 Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe – Würzburg Hbf (KWG, 401) ICE 888 München Hbf – Hamburg-Altona: 06:25 – 07:33 Würzburg Hbf – Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe (KWG, 401) 07:33 – 09:50 Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe – Hamburg-Harburg (Zusi, 412) (3h30 total time!) IC 2083 Hamburg-Altona – Berchtesgaden: 07:33 – 10:05 Hamburg-Harburg – Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe (Zusi, 101) 10:05 – 11:20 Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe – Würzburg Hbf (KWG, 101) (3h50 total time!!) I'll add these to my previous post that you are linking in your updates.
The IC Köningsee (2083 and 2084) runs on Salzburg - Rosenheim (until Freilassing) and should have been on München - Augsburg too as it splits/combines there
It does not. What's happening here is this: You do the same "train weight, brake force, brake mode, ruling grade => PZB mode, top speed" calculations for passenger trains as you do for freight trains, but most of the time, especially on multiple units, the brakes are strong enough that you can just go the vehicles' top speed. The 425 is an exception to that rule because it has problems with wheelslide in autumn. Therefore, the brake force value you're allowed to use in the calculations got reduced to the point where its best-case top speed under PZB is 140 km/h. The top speed of the train itself is still 160 km/h, and under LZB, you can go up to the train's top speed. That's because under PZB, there's a fixed distance (from the distant signal to the stop signal) within which you have to be able to stop, so the worse your brakes are, the lower your top speed will be. LZB, on the other hand, can make you start braking at literally any point, so instead of not allowing you to go as fast, it just makes you brake earlier. The 114 doesn't need LZB to go 160 km/h (if the brakes of the whole train, including coaches, is good enough, which for the Dostos, it is). 160 km/h isn't faster than its top speed or anything either. (Yes, it does say "140" on the frame, but any number on the frame like that is the loco's top speed when not under its own power.)
Interesting. ofc ingame we don't calculate BRH for anything but the 101 expert. would that mean PbZ moves and normal passenger trains where the loco says 120 max (like the older style loco's) The 143 has a max speed of 120 because of it's AFB like speed selector instead of a traction handle. but would it mean if it ran under LZB and had a normal traction handle, I forgot if it has LZB. it could go 200 for example if it carries a few IC coaches. or does every loco have an actual speed limit due to mechanical safety written somewhere that isn't the drag speed that shows on the side of the frame or inside the cab? I don't trust DTG's helper that much so I wonder where to find actual top speeds then to adhere to
I wonder is this thread only for premade scenarios and timetable runs? With free roam there a some awesome possibilities for selfmade scenarios in timetable mode like coal delivery from Werdohl to Elverlingsen on RSN route
Yes, we pretty much stick to the timetable and scenarios. There was a thread for Creator Club scenarios, but that seems to have lost traction; quite unfortunate IMHO. It was nice to have a guide recommending scenarios to download and run. I am not sure how I would incorporate free roam scenarios in this thread or the spreadsheets. We used to create chaos runs where you deliberately mess with the timetable by causing delays. There is a separate sheet for this. If you want to see what it was like, check out post 146 on page 3 in this thread. We (mostly I) tried that because there were very few runs early in TSW that had adverse signals. SEHS and DRA changed that. Now, some routes such as FFA come with wonderfully complex timetables at launch and creating chaos doesn't seem as necessary. Much of the complexity requires layers; so, it is a good idea to keep an eye on sales and pick up layers to fill out timetables when you can.
If anything, I would like to see a new spreadsheet for the community timetables, we got a bunch of them in past few weeks and they are all stellar and full of amazing runs
the 114 shows 140 as a top speed in the cab though. and you said it can go 160. that confused me as I thought the cab value was the leading number when driving that train
I recommend WCML, 390, service IF14-London Euston- Liverpool lime street service. Is an express to Milton Keynes with lots of AI trains
WCML 2T08 Tring to London Euston at 7.48 in Class 350/1 Smooth run until... Spoiler Adverse signals from Wembley Central onwards including one tricky red
not one but 5 services on WCMLoS. done in the 142 but for an extra challenge do it in the 101. start with 0608 5P72 Carnforth HS to Morecambe and stay in game at the end of each service. it puts you on 2P72 Morecambe Lancaster followed by 2P71 Lancaster Morecombe followed by 2 parts of 2E74 Morecombe to Leeds the first back to Lancaster the second up to Carnforth. for all 5 its about an 1 1/2 hours but the times are that tight it leaves you franticly doing the cab changes shut down head boards tail light etc whilst trying to remember to load passengers. it was a mad but very enjoyable session.
I recommend RE50 (4504) Frankfurt (Main) Hbf to Fulda departing 07:24 on the Frankfurt to Fulda route. Spoiler As you depart Frankfurt you will get multiple yellow signals and just before Frankfurt Sud, you will be stopped at a red. After departing Frankfurt Sud you will race a freight train until you reach the flyover where the line splits off towards Frankfurt East Station. After that, it should be a breeze to Fulda with plenty of AI going in the opposite direction.
Ludwigsbahn ICE 1557 with the BR 411 ICE-T Spoiler PZB action: You quickly catch up with a freight train, in the slower part this doesn't pose a problem anymore, but after the stop at Neustadt in the fast section you can catch up with him again.
Disclaimer: RSN was among the first German routes in TSW. The iconic feature of this route was Elverlingsen Power station. It is featured on the cover art of the route and some collectables are located there. But in TSW 2020 there were no option to bring any train to the station. In TSW5 we can finally solve this issue without any mods or custom timetables. Required DLC: RSN, DB BR 155 (recommended) or any DLC with Falns coal hoppers or Eanos coal wagons or Zacns oil wagons. DB BR 204 (recommended) or any other freight diesel locomotive. Time of day: any, except from 10:30 to 14:00 Weather: any Scenario: 1. Summon BR155 with 15 loaded Falns coal hoppers on track #1 at Werdohl with locomotive facing Finnentrop (make sure there is space before red signal for locomotive to couple at the end of the train) 2. Uncouple locomotive than you can delete it but it is optional 3. Go to track #4 and summon BR 204 and prepare it for shunting operation 4. Check map for incoming trains and if it is clear set destination just behind the dwarf signal 5. Wait for clear signal, drive over dwarf signal. Stop and change direction. 6. Set destination to track #1 and contact signaler for permission to go to occupied track 7. Wait for clear signal than couple to coal train and change direction 8. Check that there are no incoming trains from East. Set destination over the junction to Elverlingsen. 9. Wait for green signal and go. Stop at location 10. Set destination to one of three tracks at Elverlingsen, than push train back. Limit yourself to 10km/h for immersion Here are some screenshots for illustration. This is just an example, i created full journey for myself starting at Wuppertal but it requires around 5 hours to complete.
I don’t think this is the thread for free roam shenanigans to be honest. It’s specifically for timetable runs in my eyes. Don’t get me wrong, I spend a lot of time by now replicating real runs via free roam. I had provided info on how to do a real Elverlingsen power plant run in another thread before. But those should go in their own thread.
I agree. I think freeroam ideas and easy to do custom scenarios should have its own thread. Let's say it was an advertisement and if it gets enough positive reaction I will create separate thread where everyone can share ideas with everyone.
A nice run on Ludwigsbahn: ICE 9568 Frankfurt (M)Hbf to Paris Est at 07:34 with the BR 406 ICE 3M Spoiler: Run it first! A parallel departure out of Manheim with a wait just out of the station for incoming traffic and a subsequent triple meet. After that, it is a straightforward run. I suggest Dec 21 2025 for a run into a full moon during sunrise.
Ludwigsbahn IC 2053 Saarbrücken Hbf to Stuttgart Hbf at 07:00 with the 101 A little PZB action on the way down the hill. Beyond Neustadt Weinstraße, the AI gets interesting with some parallel running and traffic ahead of you.
1Z31 Cardiff Hardendale part 1 was a really good run. 1st time i went aggressive and had a spad at Carnforth. second time i set off from Preston and did 50-60mph all the way to the bends before Lancaster and got greens most of the way. i then hit the throttle to show off through Lancaster (as you do), but got stopped at Carnforth for an 87 mail train going into the loop at Carnforth. it did allow full throttle again after and i caught up with the freight at grayrigg. so i did something daft and stopped the train at tebay despite having a green. then restarted up shap, maxed out at 51mph. soon got back behind the freight before arriving at Carlisle. different ways you can play this scenario.
I did something similar a long time ago, but I had to use free roam, for one track not accessible. At least I get it. Thank you vectorsamoletov, for your detailed explanation!
An enjoyable run on Ludwigsbahn: RE 4271 Saarbrücken Hbf to Mannheim Hbf at 08:26 with the BR 111 DB Running the 111 down the hill is a fun bit of train handling. I did almost all of it with dynamic brakes and arrived at the first stop mostly on time. The traffic begins as you get closer to Mannheim: adverse signals, some wrong line running, and some parallel running. There is a meet that looks different depending on which train I drove: Spoiler: Spoiler The meet outside Ludwigshafen Rhein involves two trains when driving the 111, but I found that when I drove RE 4674 Karlsruhe Hbf to Mainz Hbf with the 612, it was also involved, making it a triple meet. So, I am also recommending: RE (4674) Karlsruhe Hbf to Mainz Hbf at 08:53 with the 612. There is an unexpected hot magnet just in front of you as you depart.
Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn RB 38925 @5.08 A nice long morning run with the 628.2 in Eastern direction from Kaiserslautern to Ludwigshafen. Decent AI along the route and interesting routing/signalling. Run it in April to get a cool sunrise after Neustadt a.d.W. Note: at present (12 February 2025), due to the current state of the DLC, there are no passengers but I hope that this will be fixed with the next patch.
I really enjoyed this run. The route is beautiful at night and at sunrise. I ran into a red light that was not actually red just outside of Schifferstadt; I called the dispatcher and got a "proceed as signals indicate" and then went right through a visually red signal without consequence. Also, just before and just after the stop at Schifferstadt, I encountered several unexpectedly hot 500 hz magnets. The next signal was green visually, good with the dispatcher, and green on the map. Anyone else experience this?
JustWentSouth Spoiler: Signallling stuff I had to use Befehl 40 twice during this run, once at Neustadt a.d.W. with a Vorsichtssignal, and then at Schifferstadt. Not sure whether I encountered 500 Hz magnets, though. It may well be that the PZB magnets are still flawed on this route.
RB58-81361 on Bremen - Oldenburg is an easy but enjoyable DMU run with good AI, particularly when you get to Bremen.
I always enjoy a return visit to BRO; great little route! Is it just me or is this the first time I have driven a 642 with suspension?
Both the heritage BR 103 runs on Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn are enjoyable. The mid day one up the hill follows a freight. There is a 10-15 min platform wait at Kaiserslautern, though. However, the late afternoon run: Heritage Saarbrücken Hbf to Dresden Hbf at 16:01 is a really nice run down the hill where . . . Spoiler: Just Run It! you follow an S1 service almost all the way to Mannheim. There are points where you pass each other until you finally leave it behind just before Neustadt An Der Weinstrasse. Running a tap changer up and down the hill is quite enjoyable as is airing out the 103 on the flat section. Do the late afternoon run in December for a nice sunset. This route really looks great at night!
Found a fun service on SEHS if you also have Spirit of Steam. I'm not sure if it is calendar dependent but I ran it in October and it worked. It's 1P60 in the Class 375/9: Spoiler You are initially ahead of the railtour when you leave Faversham but the dispatcher allows it to pass you at Newington. Given the 375's modern electric acceleration you soon hit adverse signals on the way to Rainham with the railtour in front of you. Depending on how aggressively you choose to drive you can settle for being 1-2 minutes late for the rest of the run or keep trying to race the yellows.
Just run it. It overtook me then stopped to let me past. I returned to free roam at Rochester to watch it go through.
